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:I like [[Boot Arguments]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 02:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 
:I like [[Boot Arguments]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 02:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 
::One addition: Maybe we should use [[boot-args]] as the main page, because all links are written like that. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 07:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 
::One addition: Maybe we should use [[boot-args]] as the main page, because all links are written like that. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 07:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 
==Orphaned articles==
 
This is an interesting search: [[Special:LonelyPages]] - "The following pages are not linked from or transcluded into other pages in The iPhone Wiki." I'm not sure where all of those articles should be linked, but figuring that out could be a useful project for somebody. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 05:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 
   
 
==Easy tasks for new editors==
 
==Easy tasks for new editors==
 
* Finish converting the remaining error codes listed here [[MobileDevice_Library#Known_Error_Codes]] into the proper mach_return_t codes they should be displayed as. (convert the negative number listed into hex, strip any leading "FF" so it should be in the format "0xe80000" followed by two numbers) --[[User:Dirkg|Dirkg]] ([[User talk:Dirkg|talk]]) 22:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 
* Finish converting the remaining error codes listed here [[MobileDevice_Library#Known_Error_Codes]] into the proper mach_return_t codes they should be displayed as. (convert the negative number listed into hex, strip any leading "FF" so it should be in the format "0xe80000" followed by two numbers) --[[User:Dirkg|Dirkg]] ([[User talk:Dirkg|talk]]) 22:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
   
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== Email notifications? ==
==Login prompt revision suggestion==
 
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Is it possible to get emailed when a watchlist page changes? I'd love that feature. [[wikipedia:mw:Manual:Configuration settings#Email notification (Enotif) settings|This looks relevant]]. --[[User:Beej|beej]] ([[User talk:Beej|talk]]) 08:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
I wrote a suggestion here: [[MediaWiki talk:Loginprompt]] (since I don't have permission to edit [[MediaWiki:Loginprompt]] directly) - I'd be interested in whether it sounds like a good idea to other people. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 01:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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== Bite-sized editing tasks ==
==Homepage suggestions==
 
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It seems fun to make a list of relatively easy useful edits that new editors can do who are interested in helping, maybe at [[The iPhone Wiki:Bite-sized editing tasks]] or a similar page, and link it from the homepage here. I'd include the following as a start:
Under "Application Development", what about linking to [http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page iPhoneDevWiki]? It's also a community-edited technical resource, and it links to this wiki. It could be helpful to add a little more detail to "Get [[up to speed]] in the community.", like this: "Get [[up to speed]] in the community - learn about how jailbreaks work." Under "Definitions", it could be helpful to list all the firmware tags in one line or sub-list, similar to how Jailbreak is organized next to Tethered jailbreak and Untethered jailbreak, both to save space and help readers understand the list. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 23:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:A link to the iPhoneDevWiki sounds good. I wonder if we should have an "External Links" or "Other Resources" section to include links to other sites (such as the [http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ iPhone Dev Team blog]) though. As for the "Up to Speed" page, I feel like the entire page could be reworked a bit— and perhaps even receive a new, clearer name ([[Introduction]]? [[Preface]]? Or something else?)— the current name makes it sound like it's for people that last paid attention to jailbreaking when the App Store didn't exist. And yeah, moving the IMG3 tags to a sub-list sounds like a really good idea. (Admittedly, I actually don't care for its inclusion in the first place, but that's just a personal preference.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::There's already [[Useful Links]] with some links to other core community resources (which could be updated and rearranged) - I was just thinking that it'd be especially useful to link to iPhoneDevWiki prominently since it's likely for TheiPhoneWiki visitors to also be interested in relatively-organized technical information about development. Changing the name of "Up to Speed" sounds fine to me too - that page didn't get much attention since 2008 until I sort of commandeered it to serve as an "intro to jailbreaking" page. :) It could be renamed "getting started", as in "how to get started on learning about research into iOS devices, especially security research (such as jailbreaks)". [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 
Also I'd love to see a dedicated section for "Good tasks for new editors", where we could maintain a list of relatively easy/straightforward suggested edits that wouldn't require vast technical knowledge, like updating that links page. Where would that go? Add it as a sub-section of [[The iPhone Wiki:Current events]] and link that section from the homepage or something? Or make a new page? [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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* Look at the list at [[Special:LonelyPages]] and figure out whether some of those pages should be linked within other pages on the wiki, and then go link them.
==What is 0x5265c384 in the boot process?==
 
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* Check the links at [[Useful Links]] and remove broken/outdated sites and add relevant new sites (but don't spam your own stuff).
Does anybody know where <code>0x5265c384</code> points to in the boot process? I haven't been able to find anything on it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 20:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 
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* The iOS version table at [[SHSH]] should be listed in reverse-chronological order, with newest versions first instead of oldest versions first.
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* If you run into a scam site, add it to the table at [[Scam Jailbreaks and Unlocks]].
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* If you're reading an article and some part of it is confusing to you, post a message on the "talk" page (click the "Discussion" tab at the top of the article) explaining your question or what you found confusing, so that other editors can use this as a suggestion for improving the article.
   
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Ideas? Opinions? [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:31, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
==License for contributions==
 
This wiki has never had an official license for contributions. Now, IANAL, but IIRC, this means that you can't use ''anything'' posted here unless it qualifies as fair-use. What I propose is that we set a license and add a notice that states that any contributions after a set date are to be licensed under that license (that's kindof a mouthful). I think we should use the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-by-SA 3.0] as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|Wikipedia uses it]], but that's just me. Any ideas? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 19:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 
:Well, the edit info already says all this:
 
Please note that all contributions to The iPhone Wiki may be edited, altered, or
 
removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly,
 
then do not submit it here.
 
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public
 
domain or similar free resource (see The [[:The iPhone Wiki:Copyrights|iPhone Wiki:Copyrights]] for details). '''Do not'''
 
'''submit copyrighted work without permission!'''
 
For me, that's enough. I don't need a 50 page license. But if you want to formalize this more, go ahead. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sounds good. It's good practice to have an official license, just in case any disputes happen someday, and to ensure that it's OK to copy text over to Wikipedia (for example). [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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== How to report problems ==
==Banner Replacement?==
 
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I saw people concerned on Twitter about the skin! Like iAdam1n said on Twitter, saurik just got a copy of the settings, images, and database from geohot and put them into a new site with an upgraded version of MediaWiki; he's asking geohot for a copy of the skin files. In general if you see problems or have requests for new extensions or other changes, it's totally fine to post them here and I'll see them and ask saurik to check it out. If something is more immediate and doesn't need discussion (like something missing, major errors, mysterious downtime, etc.), you can PM me or saurik on IRC (his IRC server is best, irc.saurik.com). Maybe good to post here too in those cases (if the site isn't down at the time) so other people know he's been alerted. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 18:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
I kinda feel like the banner on the front page is getting a little stale, so I'm interested in seeing it replaced. I tossed a proposal [https://twitter.com/Draxelf/status/408295008794845184 on Twitter] a couple of days ago (which is admittedly plain, but Myriad Set…), but I haven't heard any opinions on replacing the banner. Are there any thoughts on this matter? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 
:Or, [http://imgur.com/wJFqPl1 this]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 
:Looks nice in Myriad! More professional. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 04:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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More about how to report more immediate problems (or problems that require some level of privacy, such as a major security issue or "Britta has gone rogue") - if you don't use IRC, emailing me is also fine (britta@saurikit.com). Emailing saurik (saurik@saurik.com) won't be seen as quickly, but if you write a meaningful subject line (like "TheiPhoneWiki is giving error 403 upon login right now" or "Britta is putting glitter sparkle GIFs all over TheiPhoneWiki"), it'll likely be seen. Moving to a new server/admin can have some adjustment bumps but they can be fixed! [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 03:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
==Date Format==
 
I see that [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] started to unify the date formats in this wiki. While I like this to be consistent, actually we should've talked about what format to use before changing it. I like the d_mon_yyyy format though. I also saw that he removed the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> between the date parts on the [[iFaith]] page that I added once purposefully. The reason was that when making the browser window small (or on the iPhone) that the date wraps to two lines, which is almost always undesired. The question is if we should do that everywhere too? Additionally, as we now seem to have a "standard" here, we should document it, so that new users know what format to use. -- [[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 17:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 
:I just made it consistent. If you want the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> back, feel free to add it. I removed it as it did nothing (previewing on OS X). We should use the format I used throughout the wiki and not Dec 23, 2013 etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 
::<code>&amp;nbsp;</code> stands for "'''n'''on-'''b'''reaking '''sp'''ace". It is essentially a space, but with a property that prevents word wrap from occurring between the two words it's between. Look at [[Firmware Keys]] on a small enough screen (1024 across should do it). Your browser should preserve the space between the date "words". Now, go into the edit page and remove the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> from everything in one table. Your browser will now word wrap the date "words". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 
:What I actually want to do is use <code>{{[[Template:Start date|start date]]}}</code> instead of plain dates in areas where dates are used as a statistic; for example, [[Firmware]], [[Firmware Keys]], [[SHSH]], [[Timeline]], etc. Places where dates are used to record when something happened, for example on [[evasi0n7]], "On 28 December 2013...", should use the date flat out in the source. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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== Apple internal content on the Wiki ==
== Template documentation ==
 
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I want to know what people think about having internal content on the Wiki. Some of the current content definitely needs some cleaning up and general editing. Should we publish information about internal firmwares? And is it okay to upload pictures of prototypes? Feel free to ask more questions. --[[User:Srb21103|Srb21103]] ([[User talk:Srb21103|talk]]) 05:08, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Whenever using templates that are copied here from Wikipedia, I almost always forget the parameters of the template. I then have to open Wikipedia and search for the template. What I want to do it copy the template documentation from Wikipedia here. To work around the licensing issue, we can create our own template that you would include at the bottom of the copied documentation that says the documentation comes from Wikipedia (because Wikipedia uses [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|CC-BY-SA 3.0]] which says our copied text must be under CC-BY-SA 3.0 ''and'' attribute Wikipedia and her editors. I can write the text for license template. Any ideas? Any opposition? If not, I'll begin in a few days. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 
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:Looking through [[The iPhone Wiki:Ground rules]], it says "No posting of copyrighted material. Anything that could legally get us in trouble should not be posted, ever." I'm not sure what other precedent here has been. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 10:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
:I don't see why not. That's what I've seen done on other wikis. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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== JailbreakCon mini-talks ==
== Category Security Researchers==
 
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Hi wiki people! I'm working on gathering people to do mini-talks (5-10 minutes) for [[JailbreakCon]] in June in San Francisco, and it would be cool to have some more people speaking who contribute to the community in ways other than tweak development. Work other than development is important work too, such as documentation. If anyone who has put some effort into improving TheiPhoneWiki can attend and would like to give a mini talk about working on the wiki, let me know via [http://www.jailbreakcon.com/#contact the contact form on the site]. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi all! i've created the category Security Researchers in order to cut down on the pages categorized as hackers as it apparently needs to be more exclusive. i've been adding the less known or inactive hackers from the hacker page but have not removed them from the hackers page. I feel that it should be a vote on who gets removed from the hackers page so my first suggestion is [[User:Fallensn0w‎]] as he has been inactive for a very long time and didn't do a lot in the first place. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 15:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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== [[File System Crypto]] ==
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I just added Zdziarski's blog to the wiki (with his permission). I would recommend to take this apart and make multiple sub-articles, like an article for [[BAGI]], another one for [[Dkey]], etc. and on the page [[File System Crypto]] itself, just write the overview, similar to what we have on page 16 of the Sogeti document (wasn't there a newer graphic somewhere?) with some short description. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible to get emailed when a watchlist page changes? I'd love that feature. [[wikipedia:mw:Manual:Configuration settings#Email notification (Enotif) settings|This looks relevant]]. --[[User:Beej|beej]] ([[User talk:Beej|talk]]) 08:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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== Renaming [[Internal Firmware|Factory Firmware]]? ==
== Ambiguous names ==
 
I feel like the names for [[Symlinks]] and [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] is a bit too ambiguous. Now, I don't anticipate there being much confusion, particularly since nobody really cares about 1.x anymore, but I would like to make the distinction clearer. I think both articles should be renamed, but I have no idea on what to rename them to (or even if you guys approve). I thought of using the CVE ID, but Apple doesn't provide one for [[Symlinks]] (or even any indication that they fixed it). ([[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] was assigned CVE-2013-5133.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
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It's been brought to my attention that we don't really have anywhere on the wiki to document internal builds of iOS. Considering [[Internal Firmware|Factory Firmware]] consists of what are internal builds of iOS (with different software), I'd like to propose renaming it to [[Internal Firmware]], to broaden its scope a little more. Well, either that or create a brand new page for internal builds. What does everyone think about this? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 06:43, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
:They are referred to as the Symbolic Link by people like MuscleNerd and iH8sn0w so, in my opinion, they should be kept as their current names. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 18:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
 
::I don't mind if one of them keeps their current name, but there should be something to make the distinction clearer. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 01:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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== New rule proposal: Internal subjects ==
== IRC Channel on Freenode ==
 
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As we know, there are internal firmware builds that Apple uses to test their hardware. However, a wiki user reached out to me, concerned that there is incorrect information being added about these firmwares. I have no way to verify this information (and most probably don't either), so I would like to create a rule to require evidence in the form of an image or video for any substantial information about any such Apple internal subjects. This will help prevent false information being spread on the wiki.
Howdy iphonewiki folks, I have #theiphonewiki registered on freenode, and am ready to have people come in (it's been ages since this idea has been brought up). Shall we open it? I'd like to get some ops in there to help out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 05:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 
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I think we should make an IRC channel for this wiki. It can be either #theiphonewiki or #iphonewiki on freenode. The channel would be used for discussions, such as the TLC of the Jailbreak page for example. It would make getting things sorted a lot easier, since we could just ping each other different ideas. I know this idea was made before, but the channel never really got anywhere. What do you guys think of this idea? We would need to decide who has founder, op and voice etc. on the channel here. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 06:58, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 
: This is idiotic. You just want to do it yourself cause you want power. We won't help you feed your ego. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 
:: You have never edited on this wiki in your life before so STFU. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 
: Being that I own #theiphonewiki, the original channel in which the wiki's channel was going to be on, I have control over who's moderating the channel. One op will be me, I have 3+ years of IRC moderation experience (To be honest, Is this even CV worthy? :P) we can choose the other operators when the channel becomes somewhat popular. ps. Why make two topics for this? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 
:: That most definitely is CV worthy. I've seen Spydar007 moderate a channel, it crashed in a week or so. Not to mention the channel wasn't even his, and he kinda took it over anyway. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 
::No, no, no. The community decides. Juts because Farahtwiggy asked you to register it before, doesn't mean you get to be an op there now. This was my idea (Dialexio can vouch). You have no control over who are ops there. {{unsigned|Spydar007|04:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)}}
 
::: One "no" is enough. Farah, really, doesn't have much (if anything) to do with this, the channel was registered a year ago. Your childish response above does not show me that you can handle owning the channel, nor do the rumors of you abusing channel control in your personal channel. It's really not your idea, it may have just now come to your mind, but adaminsull and I have gone through this whole deal before (one year ago). Join me on #theiphonewiki if you'd like to chat this out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 
::::I don't know what's happening off of the wiki so I might only have part of the picture. I definitely don't see Haifisch as trying to steal credit for this idea, which actually was brought up about ages ago. I'm not much of an IRC guy, so my opinion might not have that much weight for a lot of this discussion, but I feel that the channel would be better in Haifisch's hands given his experience. Ownership/management/whatever for the IRC channel should certainly be open for discussion though. I really don't care too much about whoever gets to run it, as long as the person is someone that the community knows, respects, and trusts. (Same goes for the channel ops.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 
:It does not sound like a good idea to have an IRC channel for this wiki. It is useful for discussion of this wiki's articles to continue to be be done publicly on the wiki (on the appropriate talk pages), so that everyone interested in the wiki can easily contribute to the discussion, and so that there is a well-organized public record of discussions that we can all easily refer to. IRC channels are also very fertile breeding grounds for social conflicts and unhappiness (as we've seen already), which is helpful to skip. In any case, this should be discussed at [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal]] instead of here - this page is for discussing modifications to the Main Page, and that one is for general discussions about TheiPhoneWiki. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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== Moving to Canada ==
 
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Internal software and prototypes are rare to come across, and we welcome documentation about them. However, to maintain informational integrity, we do require evidence to be supplied with any substantial information that you have. For example, if you have a list of applications in an internal firmware, there should be an image or video showing them on the device. Any added information about internal subjects that does not comply with this is subject to removal, with account suspensions possible.
I'm moving this server in the next few days to a quality server in Canada. It'll be running inside a VM, so I'll also look into giving admins more access. Hopefully the periodic outages will stop. Maybe I'll add some SSL certs. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]])
 
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:Nice, thanks! HTTPS would be great. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 
::So we're not in canada yet?--[[User:Awesomebing1|Awesomebing1]] ([[User talk:Awesomebing1|talk]]) 20:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 
You should all be in Canada now, with 8&nbsp;GiB of Canadian RAM. We also have [https://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/Main_Page HTTPS], but it avoids the [[wikipedia:Squid (software)|Squid proxy]]. It's fine for people making edits but I don't plan on changing the default anytime soon. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 
:Yay! Thanks as always George! Any plans on adding back SSH? There's a few things I'd love to have done. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 
::Thanks [[User:Geohot|geohot]]! Hopefully now there will be less downtime ;p --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 07:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 
:Sweeeeeeeet. :D --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 15:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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The above proposal will be edited as necessary during this discussion. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:53, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
==iPhone serial cable==
 
Could somebody document how to use uart cable (i.e. setup, bitrate, ...) ? Some intructions are available at [http://www.instructables.com/id/Apple-iOS-SerialUSB-Cable-for-Kernel-Debugging/ instructables]. Can two iPhones' serial inputs be connected to each other (i.e. TX of 1st iPhone to RX of 2nd and RX of first to TX of second) and minicom used on one of them to connect to /dev/uart.iap such that no USB to 3.3V TTL (FT232RL in the link) would be needed provided that you already have multiple iDevices with dock connector {{unsigned|‎Danzatt|10:57, 15 September, 2014}}
 
   
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== Discussion of takedown for Cassandra Fuzzer ==
Bringing this topic back up, I've developed an open source package for iPhone (30pin) serial that doesn't used the PodBreakout that has been discontinued for a while now. Would it be alright to document how to setup/use the boards here? I'm just unsure if this is the appropriate place for it. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 03:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
 
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As you may know, the Cassandra Fuzzer, developed by [[Ih8ra1n|iH8Ra1n]] was taken down by [https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/User:IAdam1n iAdam1n]. I ([[Ih8ra1n|iH8Ra1n]]) believe that Cassandra should not have been taken down for the following reasons:
   
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* Information (If someone wants to help with it, for example. )
:[[User:Haifisch]], that sounds fine to me - it's iPhone-related, which is the the theme of this wiki. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:53, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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* Other vulnerabilities (Read on)
== Original iPad mini name ==
 
Seeing as we use (at least mostly) "iPhone" instead of "iPhone 2G" and "iPod touch" instead of "iPod touch 1G", I feel we should change how we reference the original iPad mini. The reason for adding the "1G" was because of the name conflict between pages. But we could probably fix that by moving [[iPad mini 1G]] to, say, [[iPad mini (first generation)]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 03:04, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:Sounds good to me. "iPad mini (1st generation)" is fine, but for the sake of length I would go with either "iPad mini" or "iPad mini 1." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:27, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 
::Agreed. "iPad mini" would follow the other 1st generation devices page. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 04:56, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:::I also think this is a good idea because of how Apple is listing it like that too. I would say use "iPad mini". Another thought I did have is that it might confuse people with [[iPad mini]] and making them think that it is the page to list all the mini's. To correct this, I would suggest [[iPad mini (1st Generation)]] and roll that out across iPod touch, iPad and iPhone too. Just thought I'd put that out there to see what others think. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
 
::::I feel "iPad mini (1st Generation)" is too long. "iPad mini" is fine IMO. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:30, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::Except that "[[iPad mini]]" already exists. It's the overview page for the iPad mini, just as [[iPad]] is for iPads, [[iPhone]] for iPhones, and [[iPod touch]] for iPod touches. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 
::::::If we do this, I suggest doing it for iPad, iPhone and iPod touch too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::::I disagree. I like the usage of "iPod touch 2G", "iPod touch 3G", etc. Sure, drop the "1G" from the original iPad and iPod touch (and "2G" from the original iPhone), but don't change anything else. Unless we can come up with something other than "[[iPad mini (1st generation)]]", we should use that though. However, I don't like that title as it would look inconsistent with other devices. Wikipedia uses the parentheses to separate pages that would have the same name, but are about different topics. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 22:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 
::::::::The only problem is that we can't use [[iPad mini]] for it's current purpose and the first generation. I would also suggest anything that is changed would be consistent throughout all of the devices. That is why I liked the [[iPad mini (1st generation)]] idea but then again, would not be good if it is not like that for all devices. I like [[iPad mini (1st generation)]] because it is how Wikipedia lists it and to be honest, it avoids confusion. There is one other idea I can think of but not sure I even like it that much, [[iPad mini (original)]]. This again should be for iPad, iPod touch and iPhone if we do this. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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I think that I would be leaving people without some necessary information. Example, Cassandra discovers a vulnerability in MobileSafari. Now, I make a page about said vulnerability. I should probably mention Cassandra found it. Then, people wonder what it is. So, they look for a wiki page and find it was deleted. So, now they wonder what Cassandra is, and they don't know. This, I think, is a problem. Hence, why there should be a wiki page for it. {{unsigned|Ih8ra1n}}
== Mobile Stylesheet == <!-- Don't move this to archive as can be used for anyone to add suggestions for changes on mobile. -->
 
I was thinking recently, if [[User:Geohot|geohot]] agrees to accept it, that I could make a mobile.css file in order to attempt to make a few changes to the site on mobile. This would make it so that it would not be so ugly and if possible, the text might be easier to read. What would everyone think about this? For one thing, I'd like to mobile the "Log out" off the black part of the screen and put it near the "Contributions" button or thereabout. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:37, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 
:Instead of a mobile stylesheet to hack up the skin more (like the <code>ios6</code> and <code>ios7</code> skins do), I would create a whole new skin. I could write the PHP and JavaScript, and you can write the CSS. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 17:04, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 
::If you mean a skin just for mobile, that would be ok but not sure how you could make it selectable with a mobile device but not on desktop. If you could do this, it could work but personally I think a mobile.css would be easier since it has to be previewed in the iOS simulator (that's the way I do it). I couldn't say I'd edit a page without being an admin (unless it's made that I could). --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:35, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 
::I was going to mention that MediaWiki includes a sorta-mobile theme called Chick, but it seems that's [https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/Ia6d73c2deb9428d2,n,z long gone]. MW's changed a lot since I used it, but the way it worked was it subclassed MonoBook (so there was no need to duplicate the HTML template) and swapped its CSS for its own ([https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/mediawiki/f/f6/Dantman-Skin-chick.png screenshot]).<br>Come to think of it, whoa, I even wrote my own skin called [https://github.com/kirb/iWiki iWiki]. Was never updated for MW 1.17, which made breaking changes to the skin API. I probably won't have the time to update it, but maybe someone else could? [[User:Thekirbylover|kirb]] ([[User talk:Thekirbylover|talk]]) 09:01, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 
:I think this is a great idea, since this is actually a wiki about mobiles. No idea why it hasn't been done already. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:17, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 
::| There is a mobile pluggin for Media Wiki that will make it look very nice [[User:Mwoolweaver|MWoolweaver]] ([[User talk:Mwoolweaver|talk]]) 07:22, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 
:::I completed this a while ago but forgot to comment about it. If anyone has any improvement requests, feel free to list them and I'll take a look. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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:With all due respect, the [[The_iPhone_Wiki:Ground_rules#Regarding_the_creation_of_pages_for_programs|ground rules]] specifically say that one should not create a page for a program that is upcoming. Moreover, it also states that the creator of a program should not be involved in its page's creation. I don't believe that Cassandra should be added to the wiki until it gains enough of a reputation independent of this place that someone else thinks to add it. [[User:Forestcorgi|Forestcorgi]] ([[User talk:Forestcorgi|talk]]) 00:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
== Apple Watch ==
 
I've added the [[Apple Watch]] using that page to most devices. I was thinking this morning that it should be moved to [[Apple Watch 1G]] an have [[Apple Watch]] as a page like [[iPhone]] etc but then thought that I'd wait to see if there is a second generation some time and if there is, move it then. What does everyone think? I don't mind either way but wanted others opinions. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:07, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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::You certainly have a good point. I'll have to rewrite it anyway because I erased the phone it was on (iPhone 4) for storage. RIP. [[User:Ih8ra1n|iH8Ra1n]] 10:43 AM, 13 April 2018 (EST)
== Bite-sized editing tasks ==
 
   
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== Merge multiple related pages into one ==
It seems fun to make a list of relatively easy useful edits that new editors can do who are interested in helping, maybe at [[The iPhone Wiki:Bite-sized editing tasks]] or a similar page, and link it from the homepage here. I'd include the following as a start:
 
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This is pretty much to merge existing pages/links on the homepage like evasi0n, pangu, and any other pages that can be merged into a single page. Like some other jailbreaks, each unique version is listed on a single page, whereas we have, for example, the Pangu jailbreaks: Pangu, Pangu8, and Pangu9 that do not. Having three different pages for one variety of jailbreak is a little repetitive going through multiple pages on a certain jailbreak rather than just having it all in one spot. This will make browsing smoother and well as modifying each page, make it more simple/cleaner. For myself, I'd remove the "installed packages" section as, at least for myself, is not so important anymore and just takes up space on the page(s). Only posting here as [[User:iAdam1n|iAdam1n]] told me so :P [[User:Kiddepants|Merculous]] 3:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
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:Are you talking about just the [[Main Page]] or the actual pages themselves? We certainly wouldn't remove the pages of the actual jailbreaks, these are separate entities with separate version numbers. It's bad enough with pages like [[yalu]] already, which is a mess. I would probably agree with making a [[wikipedia:WP:DP|Disambiguation page]] for things though, and then linking these on the Main Page. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 08:24, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
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::I'm not talking about deleting the pages themselves. What I meant was to remove the links to, such as, Pangu8 and Pangu9 on [[Main Page]], but just merging the information from both pages and put them into the Pangu(7) page. We don't need 3 different links for Pangu and can just have all of it on a single page. Along with evasi0n, we can merge the information from evasi0n7 to evasi0n(6). I mean, if you'd look on the [[SemiRestore]] page, I merged information from different pages we have into one, without knowing I should've asked (kinda why I'm asking now). That's pretty much what I'm asking to consider. It'll make the page(s) look more simple and have everything that needs to be there, and save some space on the page (along with making everything look more aesthetic). [[User:Kiddepants|Merculous]] 22:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
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:::I'm all for creating [[wikipedia:WP:DP|Disambiguation pages]] and linking those instead. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 20:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
   
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== Separate iPad/iPad Air/iPad Pro? ==
* Look at the list at [[Special:LonelyPages]] and figure out whether some of those pages should be linked within other pages on the wiki, and then go link them.
 
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Going forward, it would ''probably'' make more sense to separate iPad Air and iPad Pro from the regular line of iPads. From the get-go, we had iPad mini separated since it was clearly a different class. We kept iPad Air and iPad Pro tied with the regular line since the regular line's future seemed ambiguous at best, especially when we've had a few years and releases between the 4th and 5th generations of iPad. Apple not only keeps separate pages for the [https://www.apple.com/ipad-9.7/ regular], [https://www.apple.com/ipad-air/ Air], and [https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ Pro] models now, but they also [https://support.apple.com/kb/HT201471 categorize them separately]. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:48, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
* Check the links at [[Useful Links]] and remove broken/outdated sites and add relevant new sites (but don't spam your own stuff).
 
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:I had actually been thinking about this recently, and I'm all for it. This isn't a new thing, Apple have always kept them as four separate product lines. They were doing this [https://web.archive.org/web/20190223044324/https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201471 before the introduction of the iPad Air 3], from [https://web.archive.org/web/20151113133619/https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201471 the very start of the first iPad Pro] back in late 2015. It ''definitely'' makes sense. We should have been doing this from the start, so I'm all for it. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 07:23, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
* The iOS version table at [[SHSH]] should be listed in reverse-chronological order, with newest versions first instead of oldest versions first.
 
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--[[User:DanTheMann15|DanTheMann15]] ([[User talk:DanTheMann15|talk]]) 03:25, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
* If you run into a scam site, add it to the table at [[Scam Jailbreaks and Unlocks]].
 
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I have done some editing for the iPad Pro OTA Updates section, it looks much more complete now, it still has a ways to go before it's complete. as for the IPSW's, i'm not yet entirely sure on separating the iPad Lines, as it's still easiest to modify the IPSW links when they are in one list.
* If you're reading an article and some part of it is confusing to you, post a message on the "talk" page (click the "Discussion" tab at the top of the article) explaining your question or what you found confusing, so that other editors can use this as a suggestion for improving the article.
 
   
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== Regarding Tsunami Internal ==
Ideas? Opinions? [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:31, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 
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Recently, there has been a team of people known as ''Tsunami Internal'' interested in documenting Apple internal software. While this, by itself, is good, they have shown a disregard for [[The_iPhone_Wiki:Ground rules|basic rules]] regarding self-promotion and formatting on the site. TheiPhoneWiki is '''not''' a place for promotion or advertising of services, especially considering that the trade of Apple internal information is illegal (whether paid or free). I've just spent a good hour cleaning up articles attributed to them, and here's what I've found:
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* They include a line of credit to themselves at the end of each article they write. MediaWiki has built-in attribution tools so collaborators can keep track of who wrote what, making this an unnecessary practice.
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* They have edited the '''Main page''' to include a section dedicated to internal software groups (which currently only includes them, and probably will only include them for the foreseeable future).
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* They have created a [[Tsunami Internal|wiki page]] for themselves with the sole purpose of self-promotion and advertising. The majority of content on this page is more suited for a User page that is owned by them.
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* They have duplicated and modified the original [[Template:Internal_software|Internal software template]] to create their [[Template:Tsunami|own version]], which promotes their services. I'm assuming that they have the intent to use this on pages beyond their own, which would not be acceptable.
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We cannot assure the proper upkeep of TheiPhoneWiki if we allow users to create and modify content that does not contribute to the collective knowledge of the site in any way. While they have contributed some information, they have not adhered to our ground rules and have instead decided to use the site as a platform to promote their services. I hope we can do something about this and make sure that TheiPhoneWiki stays objective and true to its users. --Ryan Kovatch 07:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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:I know I said I didn't really have an issue with it when you emailed but after reading all what you have put, I have to agree. I'm about to delete their contributions on their own tools etc because redistributing internal content would not be allowed so it cannot be allowed here. Of course their contributions that are just about normal internal tools will not be removed as they are ok but not the ones about their team. I hadn't realised they marked each page with their name either, which is something we do not want. I'm actually going to create a talk topic on their page about it because it cannot be tolerated. When you emailed I assumed it was just they made the pages for their team but having read what you have put here and looked again, I have to agree. Thanks for bringing this up. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:24, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
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::Wonderful, thank you! I'll clarify that the person who emailed you was actually my colleague, who admittedly worded it a little stronger than I would have, lol. Your work is much appreciated! --Ryan Kovatch 05:02, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
   
== How to report problems ==
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== Beats with Apple wireless chips ==
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The newer models of Beats headphones contain either the Apple W1 or H1 chip, and appear to have a very similar firmware and update mechanism to the AirPods lineup. Would there be any objections to their inclusion on the wiki? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 07:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
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:Fine by me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
   
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== macOS Big Sur ==
I saw people concerned on Twitter about the skin! Like iAdam1n said on Twitter, saurik just got a copy of the settings, images, and database from geohot and put them into a new site with an upgraded version of MediaWiki; he's asking geohot for a copy of the skin files. In general if you see problems or have requests for new extensions or other changes, it's totally fine to post them here and I'll see them and ask saurik to check it out. If something is more immediate and doesn't need discussion (like something missing, major errors, mysterious downtime, etc.), you can PM me or saurik on IRC (his IRC server is best, irc.saurik.com). Maybe good to post here too in those cases (if the site isn't down at the time) so other people know he's been alerted. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 18:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 
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Out of curiosity, what do people think about the possibility of including information about macOS Big Sur on this wiki? Although macOS Big Sur (and Apple Silicon Macs) bring the iOS and macOS platforms closer than ever (including the software update mechanism), there are still distinctions that keep the platforms separate. As this wiki is "The iPhone Wiki" and not "The Apple Wiki" I have been quite against the inclusion of anything not pertaining to iPhones or iOS in the past, though that line is increasingly becoming blurred. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 07:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
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:I think we should add Mac info. It’s not like we only add iPhone so I believe all Apple info should be here. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
   
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== Siri Remote ==
More about how to report more immediate problems (or problems that require some level of privacy, such as a major security issue or "Britta has gone rogue") - if you don't use IRC, emailing me is also fine (britta@saurikit.com). Emailing saurik (saurik@saurik.com) won't be seen as quickly, but if you write a meaningful subject line (like "TheiPhoneWiki is giving error 403 upon login right now" or "Britta is putting glitter sparkle GIFs all over TheiPhoneWiki"), it'll likely be seen. Moving to a new server/admin can have some adjustment bumps but they can be fixed! [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 03:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 
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With Apple's "Spring Loaded" event, Apple revealed a new Siri Remote. This new Siri Remote with the circular pad is being referred to as the "2nd generation"[https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MJFM3LL/A], despite it technically being the third iteration of the Siri Remote. We should probably rename the Siri Remote with the white circle around the Menu button to avoid confusion, as we have been referring to that as the 2nd generation. Anyone have ideas for monikers to use (e.g. "Siri Remote (Rev A)")? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
   
== SSL Problems ==
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== Latest Firmware templates ==
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With the release of the new major betas, i've run into a problem with the [[Template:Latest_beta_firmware]] page in regard to how it looks on the device lists e.g: [[List of HomePods]] for each individual model with the firmware key links.
   
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with this in mind i propose that we just have the version listed without it duplicated for every model, look at Exhibit A it looks like a complete jumbled mess!
Maybe SSL is not fully/officially supported (yet), but there are a few issues that should get fixed:
 
*SSL3 is enabled and must be turned off (POODLE attack)
 
*weak signature: make sure to get SHA2 when you renew certificate (current one expires 4 Sept 2015)
 
*RC4 cipher is accepted, please disable
 
*PFS not always preferred cipher, for example when using IE10 on Win7
 
Thanks!
 
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 20:27, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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'''=== // BEGIN EXHIBIT A // ==='''(taken from iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (3rd generation) in the [[List of iPad Pros#iPad_Pro_.2812.9-inch.29_.283rd_generation.29|List of iPad Pros]])
:OK, saurik worked on this and it should be fine now other than that the current certificate from geohot is SHA1. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 08:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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'''Firmwares'''
::Excellent, thanks! If you want to improve even further, consider HSTS and maybe HPKP too. But I'm happy already now. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 12:17, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 
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*Initial firmware: [[PeaceB 16B92 (iPad8,5)|12.1 (16B92)]], [[PeaceB 16B92 (iPad8,6)|12.1 (16B92)]], [[PeaceB 16B92 (iPad8,7)|12.1 (16B92)]], [[PeaceB 16B92 (iPad8,8)|12.1 (16B92)]]
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*Latest public firmware: {{Latest firmware|iPad8,5}}, {{Latest firmware|iPad8,6}}, {{Latest firmware|iPad8,7}}, {{Latest firmware|iPad8,8}}
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*Latest beta firmware: {{Latest beta firmware|iPad8,5}}, {{Latest beta firmware|iPad8,6}}, {{Latest beta firmware|iPad8,7}}, {{Latest beta firmware|iPad8,8}}
   
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'''// END EXHIBIT A //'''
== Apple internal content on the Wiki ==
 
   
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And i believe we should make it look like this but provide a ref if you want firmware keys as seen in Exhibit B below;
I want to know what people think about having internal content on the Wiki. Some of the current content definitely needs some cleaning up and general editing. Should we publish information about internal firmwares? And is it okay to upload pictures of prototypes? Feel free to ask more questions. --[[User:Srb21103|Srb21103]] ([[User talk:Srb21103|talk]]) 05:08, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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'''// BEGIN EXHIBIT B //'''
:Looking through [[The iPhone Wiki:Ground rules]], it says "No posting of copyrighted material. Anything that could legally get us in trouble should not be posted, ever." I'm not sure what other precedent here has been. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 10:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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'''Firmwares'''<ref name="fwkeys"></ref>
== JailbreakCon mini-talks ==
 
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*Initial firmware: 12.1 (16B92)
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*Latest public firmware: 14.6 (18F72)
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*Latest beta firmware: 14.7 beta 2 (18G5033e) and 15.0 beta (19A5261w)
   
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''and at the bottom of the page:''
Hi wiki people! I'm working on gathering people to do mini-talks (5-10 minutes) for [[JailbreakCon]] in June in San Francisco, and it would be cool to have some more people speaking who contribute to the community in ways other than tweak development. Work other than development is important work too, such as documentation. If anyone who has put some effort into improving TheiPhoneWiki can attend and would like to give a mini talk about working on the wiki, let me know via [http://www.jailbreakcon.com/#contact the contact form on the site]. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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<references>
== [[File System Crypto]] ==
 
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<ref name="fwkeys">For firmware decryption keys, see [[Firmware Keys]]</ref>
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</references>
   
I just added Zdziarski's blog to the wiki (with his permission). I would recommend to take this apart and make multiple sub-articles, like an article for [[BAGI]], another one for [[Dkey]], etc. and on the page [[File System Crypto]] itself, just write the overview, similar to what we have on page 16 of the Sogeti document (wasn't there a newer graphic somewhere?) with some short description. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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'''// END EXHIBIT B //'''
== Video links about internal [[Factory Firmware]] ==
 
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thoughts on this? --[[User:DanTheMann15|DanTheMann15]] ([[User talk:DanTheMann15|talk]]) 08:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
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== Naming of the new Apple Watch SE ==
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The question is pretty obvious. Apple doesn't seem to call it "2nd generation" anywhere like the iPhone SE for example. There is one instance though where they call the old SE as "1st generation" under ''Compare all models'' in https://www.apple.com/watch/compare/ .
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My opinion is that in no case we should have the devices on the same page ([[Apple Watch SE]]) as they're completely distinct, with a different chip, back glass appearance, as well as device identifiers not starting with the same number.
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What are your thoughts? —[[User:Dimitris|<b style="color: #a530ff;">Dimitris</b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Dimitris|<b style="color: #ff8726;">Talk</b>]]</sup> ⌚→ 09:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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:The only idea I have right now is we have [[Apple Watch SE (1st generation)]] and [[Apple Watch SE (2nd generation)]] pages but when we name it on pages, we just use "Apple Watch SE" so it'd be like <code>[[Apple Watch SE (1st generation)|Apple Watch SE]]</code>. I'm hoping that Apple realise and rename at least one of them but who knows. I'll keep my eye out for their naming and keep checking new releases for a bit in DeviceTree. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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:: Got it, that makes sense. Should we make [[Apple Watch SE]] a disambiguation page instead of having it redirect to one of the two? —[[User:Dimitris|<b style="color: #a530ff;">Dimitris</b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Dimitris|<b style="color: #ff8726;">Talk</b>]]</sup> ⌚→ 13:43, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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:: '''Update''': Apple Support on Twitter just called it "2nd generation" (https://twitter.com/applesupport/status/1567908890582343681) —[[User:Dimitris|<b style="color: #a530ff;">Dimitris</b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Dimitris|<b style="color: #ff8726;">Talk</b>]]</sup> ⌚→ 16:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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:::That is interesting. I would do a disambiguation page for SE which lists both models with links. I also noticed that https://www.apple.com/uk/watchos/watchos-9 just lists one SE for both so I guess they can't even decide yet lol. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
   
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:I believe we should just call it the Apple Watch SE (2nd generation), it seems that some of the people who work at apple are just a bunch of idiots.
It is okay and safe from troubles to put YouTube video links about internal [[Factory Firmware]] in the dedicated page, to see how those changed through iOS versions ?
 
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:--[[User:DanTheMann15|DanTheMann15]] ([[User talk:DanTheMann15|talk]]) 16:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Those videos are :
 
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::The thing is we try to use the official naming here so if Apple don't use it, then we'd be breaking the way we usually do it. We do need to do it for pages because obviously you can't have two pages with the same name, but I guess we'll see what Apple does in the near future. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
https://youtu.be/sFp3PSXC3rY (iOS 4),
 
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:::There is also a line we shouldn't cross in regard to confusion, having two completely different apple watch models with the same name will no-doubt confuse people.
https://youtu.be/sghs_gICQUU (iOS 5),
 
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:::so we must append (2nd generation) or the year the model came out (2022) so people will know that "ok this is a newer version".
https://youtu.be/918530cBN8w (iOS 6),
 
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:::Wikipedia does it and we should to if it comes to it for the sake of legibility. --[[User:DanTheMann15|DanTheMann15]] ([[User talk:DanTheMann15|talk]]) 17:32, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
https://youtu.be/BMwYtscqOH0 (iOS 7) and
 
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:::As long as we're linking to the page for the correct one then it should be fine because when you click it, you know which version it is (can even hover over it to see). --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
http://youtu.be/_13OSfEHbqo (iOS 8). --[[User:ShadowLee19|ShadowLee19]] ([[User talk:ShadowLee19|talk]]) 09:22, July 12, 2015‎ ShadowLee19}}
 
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::::If when linking we put the "(1st/2nd generation)" in <nowiki><small></small></nowiki> it can be a good compromise. —[[User:Dimitris|<b style="color: #a530ff;">Dimitris</b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Dimitris|<b style="color: #ff8726;">Talk</b>]]</sup> ⌚→ 20:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
: I don't see a problem, as I've talked to [[User:EverythingApplesPro|EverythingApplesPro]] and confirmed that the prototypes were obtained legally. However, you should probably email him and ask him, since those are his videos. Also, someone else might have a different opinion, so please don't rely on my opinion. --[[User:Awesomebing1|Awesomebing1]] ([[User talk:Awesomebing1|talk]]) 20:42, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 
   
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== AirPower is B431AP? ==
:: I will ask [[User:EverythingApplesPro|EverythingApplesPro]] before add his videos links. I'm still confused about "legally obtained". The two first videos, https://youtu.be/sFp3PSXC3rY (iOS 4) and https://youtu.be/sghs_gICQUU (iOS 5) are made and uploaded by me, but devices used aren't prototypes, internal or factory devices. They are production ones which I've restored an internal [[Factory Firmware]] using Limera1n BootROM exploit. Devices are of course legally obtained, but it's hard to say for internal factory firmware bundles, because I got them from someone, who got them from someone, who got them from someone and so. I don't know how they have been leaked, in a legal way or not. I doubt about how all those prototypes, factory devices or internal software could be "legally obtained", unless on is packed by accident in a legally bought box in an Apple store or any other retail store. That's the main reason why I'm asking this question before put YouTube video links about internal devices and software. It is even okay and safe from troubles to upload videos on YouTube about those internal devices and software ? I would like to be 100% sure, I don't want me and or TheiPhoneWiki to get in trouble for that. --ShadowLee19
 
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There is [https://www.ebay.com/itm/325342454992 this eBay listing] of a supposed AirPower prototype. The third picture mentions a "B431" at the top, so could this be its internal name or the pic isn't trustworthy enough? —[[User:Dimitris|<b style="color: #a530ff;">Dimitris</b>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Dimitris|<b style="color: #ff8726;">Talk</b>]]</sup> ⌚→ 11:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
::: There really isn't a legal way to obtain prototypes without being an Apple Employee with very very specific permissions to have it. I would bet money that his devices he has are just like production devices but they have not been restored to a production firmware, instead they have been restored with the factory unit testing firmware (e.g., NonUI, and whatnot) and were never flashed to stock before leaving the factory. I would be '''very''' surprised if any real prototypes got out after the Gizmodo leak, they have since improved on locking down those devices internally. Just because the serial number isn't a production serial doesn't mean it's a prototype, serials are very easy to change by modifying the SysCfg. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 23:18, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 
:It seems fine to me to link to them, since they're publicly available on the web; no permission required for that sort of thing. Most pages have an "External links" section at the bottom, which is nice for adding links to off-wiki resources. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:15, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 

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iPhone-Elite

I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too. --http 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)

Boot-args cleanup

We need to clean up the boot-args pages. First the technical part: What I understand is that iBoot loads the kernel. And when loading it, it can pass some parameters to select certain behavior. So this only works with an iBoot or bootrom exploit. I understand that in earlier firmware versions there was simply an iBoot variable, but that doesn't exist or work anymore, now passing theses args requires a different or patched iBoot. There are various parameters in different kernel versions. The description for these arguments is scattered over various places:

So what do we want to do about this mess? I suggest to move the current Kernel content to the redirect page Boot arguments (or to another new page, maybe boot-args). The current content of Boot-args (iBoot variable) and all other content should get merged into there. Then change all references to this new page and on the Kernel page write just something short with "main article there". What do you think? --http (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I like Boot Arguments. --5urd (talk) 02:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
One addition: Maybe we should use boot-args as the main page, because all links are written like that. --http (talk) 07:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Easy tasks for new editors

  • Finish converting the remaining error codes listed here MobileDevice_Library#Known_Error_Codes into the proper mach_return_t codes they should be displayed as. (convert the negative number listed into hex, strip any leading "FF" so it should be in the format "0xe80000" followed by two numbers) --Dirkg (talk) 22:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Email notifications?

Is it possible to get emailed when a watchlist page changes? I'd love that feature. This looks relevant. --beej (talk) 08:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Bite-sized editing tasks

It seems fun to make a list of relatively easy useful edits that new editors can do who are interested in helping, maybe at The iPhone Wiki:Bite-sized editing tasks or a similar page, and link it from the homepage here. I'd include the following as a start:

  • Look at the list at Special:LonelyPages and figure out whether some of those pages should be linked within other pages on the wiki, and then go link them.
  • Check the links at Useful Links and remove broken/outdated sites and add relevant new sites (but don't spam your own stuff).
  • The iOS version table at SHSH should be listed in reverse-chronological order, with newest versions first instead of oldest versions first.
  • If you run into a scam site, add it to the table at Scam Jailbreaks and Unlocks.
  • If you're reading an article and some part of it is confusing to you, post a message on the "talk" page (click the "Discussion" tab at the top of the article) explaining your question or what you found confusing, so that other editors can use this as a suggestion for improving the article.

Ideas? Opinions? Britta (talk) 09:31, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

How to report problems

I saw people concerned on Twitter about the skin! Like iAdam1n said on Twitter, saurik just got a copy of the settings, images, and database from geohot and put them into a new site with an upgraded version of MediaWiki; he's asking geohot for a copy of the skin files. In general if you see problems or have requests for new extensions or other changes, it's totally fine to post them here and I'll see them and ask saurik to check it out. If something is more immediate and doesn't need discussion (like something missing, major errors, mysterious downtime, etc.), you can PM me or saurik on IRC (his IRC server is best, irc.saurik.com). Maybe good to post here too in those cases (if the site isn't down at the time) so other people know he's been alerted. Britta (talk) 18:44, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

More about how to report more immediate problems (or problems that require some level of privacy, such as a major security issue or "Britta has gone rogue") - if you don't use IRC, emailing me is also fine (britta@saurikit.com). Emailing saurik (saurik@saurik.com) won't be seen as quickly, but if you write a meaningful subject line (like "TheiPhoneWiki is giving error 403 upon login right now" or "Britta is putting glitter sparkle GIFs all over TheiPhoneWiki"), it'll likely be seen. Moving to a new server/admin can have some adjustment bumps but they can be fixed! Britta (talk) 03:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Apple internal content on the Wiki

I want to know what people think about having internal content on the Wiki. Some of the current content definitely needs some cleaning up and general editing. Should we publish information about internal firmwares? And is it okay to upload pictures of prototypes? Feel free to ask more questions. --Srb21103 (talk) 05:08, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Looking through The iPhone Wiki:Ground rules, it says "No posting of copyrighted material. Anything that could legally get us in trouble should not be posted, ever." I'm not sure what other precedent here has been. Britta (talk) 10:31, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

JailbreakCon mini-talks

Hi wiki people! I'm working on gathering people to do mini-talks (5-10 minutes) for JailbreakCon in June in San Francisco, and it would be cool to have some more people speaking who contribute to the community in ways other than tweak development. Work other than development is important work too, such as documentation. If anyone who has put some effort into improving TheiPhoneWiki can attend and would like to give a mini talk about working on the wiki, let me know via the contact form on the site. Britta (talk) 00:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

File System Crypto

I just added Zdziarski's blog to the wiki (with his permission). I would recommend to take this apart and make multiple sub-articles, like an article for BAGI, another one for Dkey, etc. and on the page File System Crypto itself, just write the overview, similar to what we have on page 16 of the Sogeti document (wasn't there a newer graphic somewhere?) with some short description. --http (talk) 22:11, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Renaming Factory Firmware?

It's been brought to my attention that we don't really have anywhere on the wiki to document internal builds of iOS. Considering Factory Firmware consists of what are internal builds of iOS (with different software), I'd like to propose renaming it to Internal Firmware, to broaden its scope a little more. Well, either that or create a brand new page for internal builds. What does everyone think about this? --Dialexio (talk) 06:43, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

New rule proposal: Internal subjects

As we know, there are internal firmware builds that Apple uses to test their hardware. However, a wiki user reached out to me, concerned that there is incorrect information being added about these firmwares. I have no way to verify this information (and most probably don't either), so I would like to create a rule to require evidence in the form of an image or video for any substantial information about any such Apple internal subjects. This will help prevent false information being spread on the wiki.

Internal software and prototypes are rare to come across, and we welcome documentation about them. However, to maintain informational integrity, we do require evidence to be supplied with any substantial information that you have. For example, if you have a list of applications in an internal firmware, there should be an image or video showing them on the device. Any added information about internal subjects that does not comply with this is subject to removal, with account suspensions possible.

The above proposal will be edited as necessary during this discussion. --Dialexio (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Discussion of takedown for Cassandra Fuzzer

As you may know, the Cassandra Fuzzer, developed by iH8Ra1n was taken down by iAdam1n. I (iH8Ra1n) believe that Cassandra should not have been taken down for the following reasons:

  • Information (If someone wants to help with it, for example. )
  • Other vulnerabilities (Read on)

I think that I would be leaving people without some necessary information. Example, Cassandra discovers a vulnerability in MobileSafari. Now, I make a page about said vulnerability. I should probably mention Cassandra found it. Then, people wonder what it is. So, they look for a wiki page and find it was deleted. So, now they wonder what Cassandra is, and they don't know. This, I think, is a problem. Hence, why there should be a wiki page for it. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ih8ra1n (talk). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

With all due respect, the ground rules specifically say that one should not create a page for a program that is upcoming. Moreover, it also states that the creator of a program should not be involved in its page's creation. I don't believe that Cassandra should be added to the wiki until it gains enough of a reputation independent of this place that someone else thinks to add it. Forestcorgi (talk) 00:41, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
You certainly have a good point. I'll have to rewrite it anyway because I erased the phone it was on (iPhone 4) for storage. RIP. iH8Ra1n 10:43 AM, 13 April 2018 (EST)

Merge multiple related pages into one

This is pretty much to merge existing pages/links on the homepage like evasi0n, pangu, and any other pages that can be merged into a single page. Like some other jailbreaks, each unique version is listed on a single page, whereas we have, for example, the Pangu jailbreaks: Pangu, Pangu8, and Pangu9 that do not. Having three different pages for one variety of jailbreak is a little repetitive going through multiple pages on a certain jailbreak rather than just having it all in one spot. This will make browsing smoother and well as modifying each page, make it more simple/cleaner. For myself, I'd remove the "installed packages" section as, at least for myself, is not so important anymore and just takes up space on the page(s). Only posting here as iAdam1n told me so :P Merculous 3:09, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Are you talking about just the Main Page or the actual pages themselves? We certainly wouldn't remove the pages of the actual jailbreaks, these are separate entities with separate version numbers. It's bad enough with pages like yalu already, which is a mess. I would probably agree with making a Disambiguation page for things though, and then linking these on the Main Page. — Spydar007 (Talk) 08:24, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm not talking about deleting the pages themselves. What I meant was to remove the links to, such as, Pangu8 and Pangu9 on Main Page, but just merging the information from both pages and put them into the Pangu(7) page. We don't need 3 different links for Pangu and can just have all of it on a single page. Along with evasi0n, we can merge the information from evasi0n7 to evasi0n(6). I mean, if you'd look on the SemiRestore page, I merged information from different pages we have into one, without knowing I should've asked (kinda why I'm asking now). That's pretty much what I'm asking to consider. It'll make the page(s) look more simple and have everything that needs to be there, and save some space on the page (along with making everything look more aesthetic). Merculous 22:09, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm all for creating Disambiguation pages and linking those instead. — Spydar007 (Talk) 20:15, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Separate iPad/iPad Air/iPad Pro?

Going forward, it would probably make more sense to separate iPad Air and iPad Pro from the regular line of iPads. From the get-go, we had iPad mini separated since it was clearly a different class. We kept iPad Air and iPad Pro tied with the regular line since the regular line's future seemed ambiguous at best, especially when we've had a few years and releases between the 4th and 5th generations of iPad. Apple not only keeps separate pages for the regular, Air, and Pro models now, but they also categorize them separately. --Dialexio (talk) 04:48, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

I had actually been thinking about this recently, and I'm all for it. This isn't a new thing, Apple have always kept them as four separate product lines. They were doing this before the introduction of the iPad Air 3, from the very start of the first iPad Pro back in late 2015. It definitely makes sense. We should have been doing this from the start, so I'm all for it. — Spydar007 (Talk) 07:23, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

--DanTheMann15 (talk) 03:25, 12 September 2019 (UTC) I have done some editing for the iPad Pro OTA Updates section, it looks much more complete now, it still has a ways to go before it's complete. as for the IPSW's, i'm not yet entirely sure on separating the iPad Lines, as it's still easiest to modify the IPSW links when they are in one list.

Regarding Tsunami Internal

Recently, there has been a team of people known as Tsunami Internal interested in documenting Apple internal software. While this, by itself, is good, they have shown a disregard for basic rules regarding self-promotion and formatting on the site. TheiPhoneWiki is not a place for promotion or advertising of services, especially considering that the trade of Apple internal information is illegal (whether paid or free). I've just spent a good hour cleaning up articles attributed to them, and here's what I've found:

  • They include a line of credit to themselves at the end of each article they write. MediaWiki has built-in attribution tools so collaborators can keep track of who wrote what, making this an unnecessary practice.
  • They have edited the Main page to include a section dedicated to internal software groups (which currently only includes them, and probably will only include them for the foreseeable future).
  • They have created a wiki page for themselves with the sole purpose of self-promotion and advertising. The majority of content on this page is more suited for a User page that is owned by them.
  • They have duplicated and modified the original Internal software template to create their own version, which promotes their services. I'm assuming that they have the intent to use this on pages beyond their own, which would not be acceptable.

We cannot assure the proper upkeep of TheiPhoneWiki if we allow users to create and modify content that does not contribute to the collective knowledge of the site in any way. While they have contributed some information, they have not adhered to our ground rules and have instead decided to use the site as a platform to promote their services. I hope we can do something about this and make sure that TheiPhoneWiki stays objective and true to its users. --Ryan Kovatch 07:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I know I said I didn't really have an issue with it when you emailed but after reading all what you have put, I have to agree. I'm about to delete their contributions on their own tools etc because redistributing internal content would not be allowed so it cannot be allowed here. Of course their contributions that are just about normal internal tools will not be removed as they are ok but not the ones about their team. I hadn't realised they marked each page with their name either, which is something we do not want. I'm actually going to create a talk topic on their page about it because it cannot be tolerated. When you emailed I assumed it was just they made the pages for their team but having read what you have put here and looked again, I have to agree. Thanks for bringing this up. --iAdam1n (talk) 13:24, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Wonderful, thank you! I'll clarify that the person who emailed you was actually my colleague, who admittedly worded it a little stronger than I would have, lol. Your work is much appreciated! --Ryan Kovatch 05:02, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Beats with Apple wireless chips

The newer models of Beats headphones contain either the Apple W1 or H1 chip, and appear to have a very similar firmware and update mechanism to the AirPods lineup. Would there be any objections to their inclusion on the wiki? --Dialexio (talk) 07:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Fine by me. --iAdam1n (talk) 14:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

macOS Big Sur

Out of curiosity, what do people think about the possibility of including information about macOS Big Sur on this wiki? Although macOS Big Sur (and Apple Silicon Macs) bring the iOS and macOS platforms closer than ever (including the software update mechanism), there are still distinctions that keep the platforms separate. As this wiki is "The iPhone Wiki" and not "The Apple Wiki" I have been quite against the inclusion of anything not pertaining to iPhones or iOS in the past, though that line is increasingly becoming blurred. --Dialexio (talk) 07:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I think we should add Mac info. It’s not like we only add iPhone so I believe all Apple info should be here. --iAdam1n (talk) 14:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Siri Remote

With Apple's "Spring Loaded" event, Apple revealed a new Siri Remote. This new Siri Remote with the circular pad is being referred to as the "2nd generation"[1], despite it technically being the third iteration of the Siri Remote. We should probably rename the Siri Remote with the white circle around the Menu button to avoid confusion, as we have been referring to that as the 2nd generation. Anyone have ideas for monikers to use (e.g. "Siri Remote (Rev A)")? --Dialexio (talk) 00:08, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Latest Firmware templates

With the release of the new major betas, i've run into a problem with the Template:Latest_beta_firmware page in regard to how it looks on the device lists e.g: List of HomePods for each individual model with the firmware key links.

with this in mind i propose that we just have the version listed without it duplicated for every model, look at Exhibit A it looks like a complete jumbled mess!

=== // BEGIN EXHIBIT A // ===(taken from iPad Pro (12.9-inch) (3rd generation) in the List of iPad Pros)

Firmwares

// END EXHIBIT A //

And i believe we should make it look like this but provide a ref if you want firmware keys as seen in Exhibit B below;

// BEGIN EXHIBIT B //

Firmwares[1]

  • Initial firmware: 12.1 (16B92)
  • Latest public firmware: 14.6 (18F72)
  • Latest beta firmware: 14.7 beta 2 (18G5033e) and 15.0 beta (19A5261w)

and at the bottom of the page:

  1. ^ For firmware decryption keys, see Firmware Keys


// END EXHIBIT B //

thoughts on this? --DanTheMann15 (talk) 08:00, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Naming of the new Apple Watch SE

The question is pretty obvious. Apple doesn't seem to call it "2nd generation" anywhere like the iPhone SE for example. There is one instance though where they call the old SE as "1st generation" under Compare all models in https://www.apple.com/watch/compare/ .

My opinion is that in no case we should have the devices on the same page (Apple Watch SE) as they're completely distinct, with a different chip, back glass appearance, as well as device identifiers not starting with the same number.

What are your thoughts? —Dimitris Talk ⌚→ 09:47, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The only idea I have right now is we have Apple Watch SE (1st generation) and Apple Watch SE (2nd generation) pages but when we name it on pages, we just use "Apple Watch SE" so it'd be like Apple Watch SE. I'm hoping that Apple realise and rename at least one of them but who knows. I'll keep my eye out for their naming and keep checking new releases for a bit in DeviceTree. --iAdam1n (talk) 13:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Got it, that makes sense. Should we make Apple Watch SE a disambiguation page instead of having it redirect to one of the two? —Dimitris Talk ⌚→ 13:43, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Update: Apple Support on Twitter just called it "2nd generation" (https://twitter.com/applesupport/status/1567908890582343681) —Dimitris Talk ⌚→ 16:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
That is interesting. I would do a disambiguation page for SE which lists both models with links. I also noticed that https://www.apple.com/uk/watchos/watchos-9 just lists one SE for both so I guess they can't even decide yet lol. --iAdam1n (talk) 16:35, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
I believe we should just call it the Apple Watch SE (2nd generation), it seems that some of the people who work at apple are just a bunch of idiots.
--DanTheMann15 (talk) 16:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
The thing is we try to use the official naming here so if Apple don't use it, then we'd be breaking the way we usually do it. We do need to do it for pages because obviously you can't have two pages with the same name, but I guess we'll see what Apple does in the near future. --iAdam1n (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
There is also a line we shouldn't cross in regard to confusion, having two completely different apple watch models with the same name will no-doubt confuse people.
so we must append (2nd generation) or the year the model came out (2022) so people will know that "ok this is a newer version".
Wikipedia does it and we should to if it comes to it for the sake of legibility. --DanTheMann15 (talk) 17:32, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
As long as we're linking to the page for the correct one then it should be fine because when you click it, you know which version it is (can even hover over it to see). --iAdam1n (talk) 18:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
If when linking we put the "(1st/2nd generation)" in <small></small> it can be a good compromise. —Dimitris Talk ⌚→ 20:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

AirPower is B431AP?

There is this eBay listing of a supposed AirPower prototype. The third picture mentions a "B431" at the top, so could this be its internal name or the pic isn't trustworthy enough? —Dimitris Talk ⌚→ 11:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)