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firmware keys

We need a "standard" for firmware key posting so that we can stay organized. Who likes this method?

• Kirkwood 7A341 (iPhone 3G)
• Kirkwood 7A341 (iPod touch 2G)

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Love it. -drg

anything is better then what we got now --posixninja 05:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice job with the reorganization --geohot

Should iH8sn0w be listed as a hacker?

Stop the edit war, and debate the question here. Otherwise I'll protect the main page. --Dialexio 06:05, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I think he should. He uses IDA right? He makes patches? Found the blacksn0w baseband crash - hacker IMHO -- blackthund3r

Disagree. There are lots of other ppl @ the same level as sn0w that aren't listed there. Compared to MN, Geo and planet, he's nowhere near their level. Are we going to list sherif for finding the latest unlock exploit? It's not even up for debate, he doesn't belong there. --tsuehpsyde

wrong snowbreze is a graphical user interface of xpwn he just got the keys ( another tool that is not his ) and told xpwn to decrypt the .ipsw any one can do that and if ih8sn0w is classed as a hacker then blackthund3r should be as well --liamchat 16:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think he should be listed, he hasn't contributed anything really except for adding a GUI around xpwn or developing a tool that has already been released by someone else. He doesn't actually create anything on his own and if anyone can remember from before he failed to credit the correct people that created xpwn and claimed that since they weren't around anymore he didn't have too but eventually gave in after Geohot and MuscleNerd plus others got on him saying it wasn't really his work. --alpineflip

You all made good points and I can't not agree really :D Perhaps we need a developers page then? People like iH8sn0w (and possibly myself coming to Liamchat's point) that develop stuff for the iPhone Pwning community but can't be classified as 'hackers' as such but still need recognition. iH8sn0w has worked hard for the community... -- blackthund3r

ok so we need a page to document all app's developed to help those who have just joined iphone community start to learn how jailbreaks actually work and we should have a section documenting all baseband crash developers --liamchat 18:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, agreed and agreed... That means that /anyone/ can create something for the iPhone / iPod touch and receive credit/attribution and a way of making it available to everyone. It should literally list everyone and what they have contributed - including hackers/real JB devs. Also a page explaining the internals of a jailbreak would be advantageous (and I removed below section as it's being covered here) -- blackthund3r

FWIW, this section was recently added. Here is where it came into play. I think this is a good section to have on the Main page, but really it should be reserved for notable hackers in the iPhone community. geohot and MuscleNerd both write/work on jailbreaks and unlocks (their own, from scratch), even swapping work on ultrasn0w after geohot opened his source. PlanetBeing has also worked on unlocks (most recently the latest ultrasn0w revision), not to mention his work on Linux for iPhone to get that working. Someone noted earlier in a rev note that geohot isn't on the scene anymore. This is irrelevant, as this is still his Wiki (unless ownership changed?) and he's still hacking on the iPhone. Just because he's not giving you free stuff anymore doesn't mean he isn't involved. He just got tired of people bothering him. Regardless, ih8sn0w is not on the same level as these guys. At all. --tsuehpsyde

So if the homepage is only for notable hackers where do we put everything / everyone else? We need a categorised page that has sorted developers and what they made. Then anyone can write a program and distribute via the iPhone Wiki. Then everyone gets a mention and anyone can show their tools off without being overshadowed by 'the big boys' -- blackthund3r

a lot of people who make jailbreak's are not mentioned User:Zibri ( was the first to use the AES_Keys ) and User:ChronicDev both made a jailbreak and descoverd an exploit --liamchat 18:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

His tools are mentioned which people can find easily on the main page so they will know who he is but to list him under a category with people like MN, PB, comex, pod2g etc he doesn't even fall close to. Just because you developed an app doesn't mean you are considered a hacker especially if it's not even your work originally! --alpineflip