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Apple TV

We could add the Apple TV to the hardware section on the main page as we have other pages for it in the wiki as well --M2m 07:42, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

firmware keys

We need a "standard" for firmware key posting so that we can stay organized. Who likes this method?

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Love it. -drg

anything is better then what we got now --posixninja 05:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice job with the reorganization --geohot

I know this thread is old, but I like the template on Apex 8A400 (iPod touch 3G) frankly because I helped to make it, and it links to all parts of the FW so people know what the **** a kernelcache or VFDecrypt is. :P --drake

Should iH8sn0w be listed as a hacker?

Stop the edit war, and debate the question here. Otherwise I'll protect the main page. --Dialexio 06:05, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I think he should because when we are waiting for a jailbreak, he comes out with sn0wbreeze for us to have a jailbreak until there is a full ready to go jailbreak. Just because he creates a GUI for xpwn doesn't mean he shouldn't not be considered a hacker. So stop your whining and you try to make something like that =/. Also by him creating sn0wbreeze, it gives developers time to update their apps for the newest firmware --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anonymous (talk) 23:44, September 24, 2010 (UTC). Please consult this page for more info on how to sign pages, and how to fix this.

I think he should. He uses IDA right? He makes patches? Found the blacksn0w baseband crash - hacker IMHO -- blackthund3r

Disagree. There are lots of other ppl @ the same level as sn0w that aren't listed there. Compared to MN, Geo and planet, he's nowhere near their level. Are we going to list sherif for finding the latest unlock exploit? It's not even up for debate, he doesn't belong there. --tsuehpsyde

wrong snowbreze is a graphical user interface of xpwn he just got the keys ( another tool that is not his ) and told xpwn to decrypt the .ipsw any one can do that and if ih8sn0w is classed as a hacker then blackthund3r should be as well --liamchat 16:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think he should be listed, he hasn't contributed anything really except for adding a GUI around xpwn or developing a tool that has already been released by someone else. He doesn't actually create anything on his own and if anyone can remember from before he failed to credit the correct people that created xpwn and claimed that since they weren't around anymore he didn't have too but eventually gave in after Geohot and MuscleNerd plus others got on him saying it wasn't really his work. --alpineflip

You all made good points and I can't not agree really :D Perhaps we need a developers page then? People like iH8sn0w (and possibly myself coming to Liamchat's point) that develop stuff for the iPhone Pwning community but can't be classified as 'hackers' as such but still need recognition. iH8sn0w has worked hard for the community... -- blackthund3r

ok so we need a page to document all app's developed to help those who have just joined iphone community start to learn how jailbreaks actually work and we should have a section documenting all baseband crash developers --liamchat 18:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, agreed and agreed... That means that /anyone/ can create something for the iPhone / iPod touch and receive credit/attribution and a way of making it available to everyone. It should literally list everyone and what they have contributed - including hackers/real JB devs. Also a page explaining the internals of a jailbreak would be advantageous (and I removed below section as it's being covered here) -- blackthund3r

FWIW, this section was recently added. Here is where it came into play. I think this is a good section to have on the Main page, but really it should be reserved for notable hackers in the iPhone community. geohot and MuscleNerd both write/work on jailbreaks and unlocks (their own, from scratch), even swapping work on ultrasn0w after geohot opened his source. PlanetBeing has also worked on unlocks (most recently the latest ultrasn0w revision), not to mention his work on Linux for iPhone to get that working. Someone noted earlier in a rev note that geohot isn't on the scene anymore. This is irrelevant, as this is still his Wiki (unless ownership changed?) and he's still hacking on the iPhone. Just because he's not giving you free stuff anymore doesn't mean he isn't involved. He just got tired of people bothering him. Regardless, ih8sn0w is not on the same level as these guys. At all. --tsuehpsyde

So if the homepage is only for notable hackers where do we put everything / everyone else? We need a categorised page that has sorted developers and what they made. Then anyone can write a program and distribute via the iPhone Wiki. Then everyone gets a mention and anyone can show their tools off without being overshadowed by 'the big boys' -- blackthund3r

a lot of people who make jailbreak's are not mentioned User:Zibri ( was the first to use the AES Keys ) and User:ChronicDev both made a jailbreak and descoverd an exploit --liamchat 18:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

His tools are mentioned which people can find easily on the main page so they will know who he is but to list him under a category with people like MN, PB, comex, pod2g etc he doesn't even fall close to. Just because you developed an app doesn't mean you are considered a hacker especially if it's not even your work originally! As for the patches in his new version of sn0wbreeze I'm pretty sure msft_guy (not affiliated with any dev teams) released his bundles and by coincidence sn0wbreeze supports the new FW shortly after --alpineflip

I dont believe iH8sn0w should be considered a hacker. All he does is repackage xpwn into a user-friendly GUI for Windows users and thats it. It's also funny how many naive people see him as being a hacker and they just have complete trust that he'll jailbreak the latest OS. He only recycles current known information. I bet if the dev team found a way to hide their bundles for when the iPhone 4 might be pwnagetool compatible, iH8sn0w will not be able to make sn0wbreeze support it. It's also ridiculous how he just puts up both, donation links and a chipin link for funding for new devices. I believe that that is just being plain abusive. People need to open their eyes and see that iH8sn0w is nothing special. --gamer765

why are we still arguing i and blackthund3r agreed that iH8sn0w is not a hacker ( he may be if he is the first to make the usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit work ) but until then i think we need to document the people who are working on tool's to help jailbreak the iphone and ipod's of the world also lot's of jailbreak's where made by random people like the LibTiff and Ramdisk Hack and because they where not made by IPhone Dev Team there where not welcomed like on Talk:Ramdisk Hack --liamchat 15:50, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

the dev team were the first to implement usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit discovered by pod2g into redsn0w and released on September 20t; ih8sn0w only mentioned after the fact that he then can include support a day later, and there are plenty of tools out only problem I see is ih8sn0w stuff isn't built very well --alpineflip

I'm going to go ahead and remove ih8sn0w for now since the general consensus here is that he doesn't belong in that group. Anyone that adds it back in, I will revert their change and point them to the discussion page since most of the people defending his position have not said anything in the discussion. --tsuehpsyde

So I am not with putting ih8sn0w's name in the hackers list but this guy needs sone appreciations , at least he made something for the jailbreak community that's why I am putting a new "category" called iPhone Hacks Developers so that ih8sn0w's name will be on this wiki , even if not in the hackers category . I hope this is OK for the most of you , I am gonna wait before posting it so that any one that doesn't like this idea will talk and post in here !! :-) --ahmadlharb

Why do we need an 'iPhone Hacks Developers' section on the main page? There's already a section with applications (including sn0wbreeze), which when you click on them, tells you who developed them. Is there some dire need to have ih8sn0w on the main page? If so, I'm not seeing it. --tsuehpsyde

Honestly, iH8sn0w doesnt even deserve to be in that list either. That list title kinda means that he develops hacks which he does not. A more appropriate title would be "XPwn repackagers" --gamer765

I think he should personally. You have to remember he did more than just repackage xpwn. He created tools for late bootroms that were on 3.1.2 to be jailbroken on new firmwares, though it is tethered. I also think it should go into detail on what each "hacker" does for the community. --JacobVengeance 23:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

There is a difference between created and copied, unfortunately none of ih8sn0w's work is original. Like gamer765 mentioned his applications are listed on the wiki there doesn't need to be a separate category for his stuff or others it's not necessary IMO. --alpineflip

All right guys, so the general consensus is that iH8sn0w will not be listed on the main page (yet). Let's put the question to rest now, please. :) --Dialexio 01:19, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I think between us we have decided the following:

iH8sn0w should NOT be listed as a hacker on the main page
We need a page for ALL iPhone hacking scene developers for anyone that has contributed anything to hack / assist in hacking the iPhone
This page is to be called iPhone Hacks Developers though I think we need to make that name a bit better (unless, of course, there s a general theme that people like this name)

If anything was missed put let me know. Then we can present to the rest after -- blackthund3r

Considering how mostly groups are releasing jailbreak tools only, i think that the new section should be named Jailbreak tool developers. --gamer765

I agree. While most of us agree that ih8Sn0w's work isn't completely original code, it's still quite a feat to make command-line (or source only!) tools readily usable by the masses. --Ryccardo 12:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

you all asked for a jailbreak tool section and i made one so all app's that let you talk to iboot or decrypt ipsw can be posted and linked to the Up_to_speed for people who want to learn how hack iphone and ipods so add those app to IPhone_hacking_utilities --liamchat 13:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Hardware section names

Chronic, you started a name change in the hardware section. Such changes should be agreed on first. It's not even complete. Either we change it everywhere or revert back to how it was (my opinion). I also never liked the iAbc2,6 notation. Nobody knows what that is. Other opinions? -- http 12:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Would prefer the old naming (ipod touch 2g, 3g, etc..) Would name the iOS Apple TV Apple TV 2G - even though this is not official name. Just my opinion. --M2m 14:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Personally I would say leave it with the Prod#,# as, lets face it, if you're looking for info on it here you probably know what it is by any name, and if not it doesn't take a whole lot to figure it out. Worst someone would have to do is follow the link to check. -- OMEGA_RAZER