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== [[iPhone Tracker]] ==
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== Baseband Chip Page Titles ==
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For the baseband chip page titles, I think we should stick with the model number despite the marketing name. Pages:
[[iPhone Tracker]]? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 11:34, 9 September 2011 (MDT)
 
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* [[S-Gold 2|PMB8876]] marketed "S-Gold 2"
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* [[X-Gold 608|PMB8878]] marketed "X-Gold 608"
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* [[XMM 6180]] marketed "X-Gold 618"
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* [[MDM6600]] (unknown marketing name)
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* [[MDM6610]] (unknown marketing name)
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* [[MDM9x00]] (unknown marketing name)
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--[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:35, 8 May 2012 (MDT)
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:I'm leaning more towards the marketing names, since I think people are more familiar with them and they've been in use for a long time. We've always referred to the iPhone 2G's baseband as the "S-Gold 2" and the iPhone 3G/3GS's baseband as the "X-Gold 608." (By the way, it sounds like Qualcomm "markets" their chips by model number. [http://www.qualcomm.com/media/releases/2011/02/14/qualcomm-announces-commercial-availability-gobi3000-modules]) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 00:11, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
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:I created most of these newer pages and always used the model number (without space). So I agree with that in general. Changing old ones is a totally different story though, where we need more consent. I would be for it (and create a redirect on the marketing names). --[[User:Http|http]] 01:52, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
   
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== Baseband downgrade possibility: Attempt for 04.11.08/04.12.01 to 04.10.01 ==
== Steve Jobs ==
 
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'''0x1''' There is no downgrade possibility; according to the most basis of fact in how baseband works as explained by dear MuscleNerd and there is signature checks as well as bootloader's chain of trust that I'm not going to repeat them again, but for this topic I start from iTunes error 1,-1,11
Rest in peace, Steve. You will be especially missed by us here at the iPhone Wiki, as without you, we wouldn't have the iPhone, the iPod, or the iPad, and we wouldn't be hacking them. You were a true genius, a true visionary, and most of all, the best person this world has ever seen. Thank you, Steve. --[[User:Rdqronos|rdqronos]] 18:28, 5 October 2011 (MDT)
 
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:<nowiki />*thumbs up* --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)
 
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'''0x2''' iTunes error 1,-1,11 :
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We will get this error whenever we want to do something with BB which is not allowed by apple. you can read about these error in detail from here[http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=ITunes_Errors].
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Going deeper, this error raise by baseband's bootloader whenever you attempt to downgrade BB (in this case), this happens inside the NOR so this is why we can not exploit it easily from the outside.
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Another reason for this error (and in here the most important one that I wanted to discuss) is that apple no longer signing that firmware.
   
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'''0x3''' The situation that there is no BB installed on iPhone! :
== Block ==
 
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I could restore my iPhone4 in the case of there will be no BB at all. I called it reset my BB. There will be no Wifi, no BT.
Why is there a three year block on this? (I'm surprised it has been one year already...) --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)
 
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At the first time (a few months since I've started to work on) I thought it is dead (as apple confirmed this also). But I could restore it only to stock firmware with the latest one.
:As I recall, an edit war kept breaking out in the "Hackers" section. I gave a warning that the next time an edit war occurred, it would be protected for three years.[http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&page=Main+Page] --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:04, 20 November 2011 (MST)
 
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So for who stays in 04.11.08 it may lead to do upgrade to 04.12.01 permanently with the latest iOS, now is 5.1.1 and before for me was 5.0.1, so be sure what you are doing and then go to reset the BB.
::What about moving it (and the header of the next one to keep people from placing it below the <nowiki>{{Main Page/Hackers}}</nowiki>) to [[Main Page/Hackers]] and protecting that page? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 13:13, 20 November 2011 (MST)
 
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So back to the game, if there was no BB then there is no bootloeader inside the NOR to stuck BB update process but I do not know that in this case what happened to "sectable" also known as "locktable" which is the master accountable to unlock the carrier, any way I think so only firmware signature checking by apple will be remain in "restore verify process" by iTunes. because as mentioned earlier, "currentBB"(BB to be updated) is allowed to be update by "comingBB" (BB to be updating to) only if :
:::I don't think we should have to edit the main page enough to branch it off like that. We should keep things organized rather than making new pages. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 14:05, 20 November 2011 (MST)
 
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1. "currentBB" < "comingBB" (= are you the most recent/lastest BB?)
::::I agree with Jabob. If Dialexio is not so lazy like I am in the last few weeks, valid change requests on the page [[Talk:Main Page]] (here) will get implemented within a day or so. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:41, 23 November 2011 (MST)
 
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2. "comingBB" is now signing by apple (=if so, does apple sign you? Are you eligible?)
:::::I'm not as lazy as you are; I'm ''lazier'' than you. :P …Kidding aside, I'll be around more often than not to look into any edit requests made. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:07, 23 November 2011 (MST)
 
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Huum... What happens if "currentBB"="null/zero/no matter"? Could we eliminate option (1) from the security check above in this case? So what next?
   
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'''0x4''' Track back to the issue lead us inside the bbfw file (ICE3_04.11.08_BOOT_02.13.Release) which contains four .fls files inside, and the most important one is psi_flash.fls who is in charge of security checks before handover the routines to stack.fls which is responsible for updating the baseband. This file does like NOR bootloader but fortunately it's outside the device so it is accessible but not such easy format to be understand by programmers. They are raw ROM based images for XMM6180 chip, ARM based and programmed in Thread-X, but the compiler is unknown; I will write about some disassembly notes using ida pro 6.1; by the way I leave my iPhone with no BB trying to find out and break the trust chains in the above files in order to bypass the bootloader security checks which may let us to downgrade to 04.10.01 which is currently unlocked by Gevey.
== Update on jailbreak sector ==
 
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Keep in mind that if this solution works..., it will need the SHSH for downgrading the iOS firmware to do reset the BB.
Guys, on the Main page, we can find a coloured board showing wich devices can be jailbroken and untethered. Well, I don't know how to change, but there is an error. The iPhone 3GS OldBootrom can be jailbroken and untethered with the 24kpwn exploit. The board shows that any version of the 3GS are not succeptible to untether at the moment. If I'm right, please someone change and delete this post. --[[User:XiiiX|XiiiX]] 16:12, 23 December 2011 (MST)
 
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I heard that iPhoneDevTeam are going to release the new version of Redsn0w which there will be no need to restore by iTunes but I do not know if the baseband approaches supposed to be addressed or it will work like iFaith that is basically bypass (preserve) BB, any way if I found this article useful I will note about disassembly and possibility approach as well as BB reset to share with any followers.
:Done. -- [[User:Http|http]] 15:38, 23 December 2011 (MST)
 
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'''--[[User:Kambiz|Kambiz]] 07:49, 13 May 2012 (MDT)K.N'''
   
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== Bluetooth Chip on [[iPhone 5]] ==
== TODO List ==
 
Do we have a TODO List? People could put things there to make more people understand the priorities of now. --[[User:XiiiX|XiiiX]] 18:42, 23 December 2011 (MST)
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Is there any confirmation of the Bluetooth chip used in the iPhone 5? If there is, can we edit this page and add it? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:04, 8 October 2012 (MDT)
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:Chipworks [http://www.chipworks.com/blog/recentteardowns/2012/10/02/apple-iphone-5-the-rf/ analyzed the iPhone 5's Murata Wi-Fi module] and determined it uses the [[BCM4334]]. I'll add it to the Main Page now. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:35, 8 October 2012 (MDT)
:[[Project:Current Events]]? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 20:30, 23 December 2011 (MST)
 
   
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== Adding vulnerability to main page ==
== Disclaimer ==
 
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The page [[CVE-2013-0964]] is currently orphaned. I think it would fit under the "Vulnerabilities and Exploits" subheading. Can someone with adequate permission make the change? [[User:0x56|0x56]] ([[User talk:0x56|talk]]) 03:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Can we add the transparency style to the Disclamer?
 
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:Added. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 00:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
background: orange; background: rgba(255, 165, 0, 0.5); /* Change to look nice */
 
--[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 20:26, 6 January 2012 (MST)
 
:What's with adding transparency everywhere? There's not nearly enough contrast between the [[Template:Yes|Yes]] and [[Template:Partial|Partial]] templates now. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 17:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)
 
::Yah, those I will make darker while still retaining the transparency. But with the "beta" style by [[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]], "white/pinstripes-on-pinstripes" looks better than "white-on-pinstripes". --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 19:54, 7 January 2012 (MST)
 
::Made them a bit darker with slightly more transparency so it looks just the same as it did before transparency, but you can see through them better. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 23:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)
 
   
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==Update for new devices==
== Technical ==
 
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Somebody should update the main page (table) for the 5s and 5c --[[User:Phyrrus9|Phyrrus9]] ([[User talk:Phyrrus9|talk]]) 21:14, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
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:No need. It says "iPhone 4S and newer". --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:01, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
   
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==Permission==
In an effort to be more technical, can we list all [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] (mainly the [[:Category:Kernel Patches|Kernel Patches]]) and all [[:Category:Exploits|Exploits]] on the main page? If these ~20 entries are too much, then maybe just the category link, or only those used since 3.1.3? -- [[User:Http|http]] 02:30, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 
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Permission to add pangu8? Or should we wait until a Cydia version comes out? --[[User:Awesomebing1|Awesomebing1]] ([[User talk:Awesomebing1|talk]]) 15:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
:Support --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 08:46, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 
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:It has already been added and is fine IMO. I would state that it's SSH only though. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
::After your statement, no one contradicts, so I've added something how I think it's not too bad. I had to make a selection to not increase the page size too much. Let me know if the selection, order or anything else should get changed. --[[User:Http|http]] 14:59, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 
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:It would also be cool to have the versions the exploit works on, the discoverer, and the first program to implement it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 14:51, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 
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== All of the Watch product images? ==
::Here on the main page? I think this would be better placed on the according pages. Open the main page on the iPhone (I edit there!) and see how crowded it already is. If you still want it, maybe we need a table or something. Suggestions everybody? --[[User:Http|http]] 14:59, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 
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:::Yea, perhaps not on the main page, but an overview of exploits, most importantly which version they work on, is needed. Perhaps just grouping according to version on the main page. I don't view the site often on iPhone, I'll look. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 15:03, 18 January 2012 (MST)
 
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So I was looking for Apple product images and found this interesting [https://www.apple.com/shop/sitemaps/sitemap-buy-images.xml document] that has links to all of the (current) product images. Since the Apple Watch has so many models, editions, colors, etc., would it be worthwhile to upload all the images listed from the document? So far I've found [http://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4711/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/aos/published/images/w/42/w42ss/sbbk/w42ss-sbbk-detail this one]. (Apple Watch 42mm, Stainless Steel buckle) --[[User:Citrusui|Citrusui]] ([[User talk:Citrusui|talk]]) 18:01, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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:It's not a great idea to upload images from Apple's website in general, since they're copyrighted by Apple, unless you can make a decent argument that using a copyrighted image in a particular article is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_under_United_States_law is fair use]. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
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== Removal of Apple TV 3G from "Latest Firmware" Section? ==
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Apparently, the Apple TV 3G has not received any updates from Apple for a long time and looks like it will not get any in the future. So, should we remove it from the "Latest Firmware" section on the Main Page? Any other thoughts? --[[User:Tp1194045441|Tp1194045441]] ([[User talk:Tp1194045441|talk]]) 03:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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:It's still been sold so it should stay as it's still "active" for this reason. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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== Cleanup ==
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This page has a lot of links... It almost looks intimidating. That's not exactly an impression you want to leave on a first-time visitor. I'd like to clean it up, but I'm not entirely sure on what to cut out. I currently have everything in "Hardware" underneath the basebands in mind, and some of the definitions (be honest, how popular of a topic do you think iBEC is?). Any thoughts on what can or should not be cut? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 21:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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:I think we should remove links to pages that have not been created yet. We can always add them back if/when made. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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== KPP ==
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Is there a reason why a KPP page has not been created? It would be useful to many...
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--[[User:Detiac|Detiac]] 15:19, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
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:It would certainly be useful and something that should be on the wiki, but I don't think any active users are knowledgeable enough on the topic to provide a writeup. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:23, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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== Rename Bad Stuff section ==
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I don't know what we could rename it to, but it doesn't come off very well --[[User:Nullpixel|Nullpixel]] ([[User talk:Nullpixel|talk]]) 17:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
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:Although the name is accurate, "Bad Stuff" does sound a little... off-kilter. Maybe something like "Malicious/Cautionary Topics?" --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:23, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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::Sorry for the late response. I agree, this is a better name. --[[User:Nullpixel|Nullpixel]] ([[User talk:Nullpixel|talk]]) 16:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
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== Various Software ==
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I feel like the Various Software section should either be segmented into smaller sections (Downgrading Utilities, Package Managers, etc.) or not exist at all -- and in the former case, would most likely not be under the section Various Software. Any thoughts? --[[User:Wxblank|wxblank]] ([[User talk:Wxblank|talk]]) 16:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
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== Firmware Status style. ==
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I am proposing a change to the firmware status table, to pack-in more info into a smaller space while also being more future-proof.
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i believe having the table in this style will improve not only the aesthetic of the table, but also be able to handle more devices in the future.
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===Exhibit A===
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'''This is what we have now:'''
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{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:.95em; width:100%;"
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|-
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! style="height:3em;" | [[Models|Device]]
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! [[List of Apple TVs|Apple TV (4th generation)]] and newer
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! [[List of Apple Watches|Apple Watch Series 1]] and newer
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! [[HomePod]]
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! [[iPad (5th generation)]] and newer<br />[[iPad Air 2]]<br />[[iPad mini 4]]<br />[[List of iPad Pros|iPad Pro]] (12.9-inch, 9.7-inch, 12.9-inch 2nd generation, 10.5-inch)<br />[[iPhone 6s]] through [[iPhone X]]<br />[[iPod touch (7th generation)]]
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! [[iPad Air (3rd generation)]]<br />[[iPad mini (5th generation)]]<br />[[List of iPad Pros|iPad Pro (11-inch, 12.9-inch 3rd generation)]]<br />[[N841AP|iPhone XR]] and newer
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|-
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! style="height:3em;" | Latest<br />[[Firmware|Public Firmware]]
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| 13.4.6 <small>(17L570)</small>
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| 6.2.6 <small>(17T620)</small>
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| 13.4.6 <small>(17L570)</small>
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| colspan="2" | 13.5.1 <small>(17F80)</small>
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|-
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! Jailbreak available?
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| {{yes|Yes <br/><small>([[checkra1n]])<ref name="HD-only"></ref><ref name="untestedOS"></ref></small>}}
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| colspan="2" {{no}}
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| {{yes|Yes <br/><small>([[checkra1n]])</small>}}
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| {{No|No <br/><small>(N/A)</small>}}
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|-
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! style="height:3em;" | Latest<br />[[Beta Firmware|Beta Firmwares]]
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| 13.4.8 beta 3 <small>(17M5558b)</small><br/>14.0 beta <small>(18J5313t)</small>
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| 6.2.8 beta 3 <small>(17U5559d)</small><br/>7.0 beta (Series 3+) <small>(18R5310a)</small>
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| {{n/a}}
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| colspan="6" | 13.6 beta 3 <small>(17G5059c)</small><br/>14.0 beta <small>(18A5301v)</small>
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|}
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<references>
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<ref name="HD-only">Apple TV HD only but supports Apple TV 4K with hardware modfications</ref>
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<ref name="untestedOS">Check the "Allow untested iOS/iPadOS/tvOS versions" checkbox in the options view to bypass the version check.</ref>
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</references>
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===Exhibit B===
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'''This is the style i propose we replace Exhibit A with:'''
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{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:.95em; width:100%;"
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|-
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! style="height:3em;" | [[Models|Product Linup]]
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! [[List of Apple TVs|Apple TV]]
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! rowspan="2" | [[HomePod]]
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! [[List of Apple Watches|Apple Watch]]
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! [[List of iPhones|iPhone]]
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! [[List of iPads|iPad]]
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! [[List of iPad Airs|iPad Air]]
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! [[List of iPad Pros|iPad Pro]]
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! [[List of iPad minis|iPad mini]]
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! [[List of iPod touches|iPod touch]]
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|-
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! Supported
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! [[Apple TV (4th generation)|Apple TV HD]]<br>and newer
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! [[Apple Watch Series 1|Series 1]]<br>and newer
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! [[iPhone 6s]]<br>and newer
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! [[iPad (5th generation)|5th Generation]]<br>and newer
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! [[iPad Air 2]]<br>and newer
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! [[iPad Pro (12.9-inch)|12.9-inch (2016)]]<br>and newer
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! [[iPad mini 4]]<br>and newer
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! [[iPod touch (7th generation)|7th Generation]]
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|-
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! style="height:3em;" | Latest<br />[[Firmware|Public Firmwares]]
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| colspan="2" | 13.4.6 <small>(17L570)</small>
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| 6.2.6 <small>(17T620)</small>
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| colspan="6" | 13.5.1 <small>(17F80)</small>
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|-
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! Jailbreak availability
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| {{yes|Yes<br/><small>([[checkra1n]])<ref name="untestedOS"></ref><ref name="HD-only"></ref></small>}}
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| colspan="2" {{no}}
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| colspan="6" {{partial|Yes* <small>([[checkra1n]])<ref name="untestedOS"></ref></small><br><small>*except for devices with the [[T8020|A12]] or newer SoC's.}}
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|-
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! rowspan="2" style="height:3em;" | Latest<br />[[Beta Firmware|Beta Firmwares]]
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| 13.4.8 beta 3 <small>(17M5558b)</small>
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| {{n/a}}
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| 6.2.8 beta 3 <small>(17U5559d)</small>
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| colspan="6" | 13.6 beta 3 <small>(17G5059c)</small>
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|-
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| 14.0 beta <small>(18J5313t)</small>
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| {{n/a}}
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| 7.0 beta <small>(18R5310a)</small>*<br>*<small>[[Apple Watch Series 3|Series 3]] and newer only.</small>
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| colspan="6" | 14.0 beta <small>(18A5301v)</small>
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|}
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<references>
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<ref name="HD-only">[[Apple TV (4th generation)|Apple TV HD]] only, but can support the [[Apple TV 4K]] with some hardware modifications.</ref>
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<ref name="untestedOS">Check the "Allow untested iOS/iPadOS/tvOS versions" checkbox in the options view to bypass the version check.</ref>
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</references>
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I am open to comments or suggestions - [[User:DanTheMann15|DanTheMann15]] ([[User talk:DanTheMann15|talk]]) 23:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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:I agree and prefer the new style. It sucks having devices listed twice but that would change once watchOS 7 is out of beta. Maybe though we could just add a note under the table that watchOS 7 beta’s require series 3 or newer and not have the second list. IMO that’d be better. —[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:16, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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That sounds like a good idea, and the note actually fits inside the table! i've changed Exhibit B to reflect this. - [[User:DanTheMann15|DanTheMann15]] ([[User talk:DanTheMann15|talk]]) 01:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I made the edit before seeing the talk page, oops. I'll leave it like that for now. [[User:Admanny|Admanny]] ([[User talk:Admanny|talk]]) 06:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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I like the "Jailbreak availability" text, but on the other hand though many people ask that question: is a "Jailbreak available?", i edited Exhibit B so everyone can see how it looks, get other opinions on it, but overall im down with either way. - [[User:DanTheMann15|DanTheMann15]] ([[User talk:DanTheMann15|talk]]) 08:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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:I think "available?" makes more sense to be honest with the yes and no answers. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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::I changed it because it's unconventional for labels in a chart to be written in the form of a question. But, this is a small wiki anyway, so if the consensus sways towards keeping the question, that's fine. I'm still with keeping it as "availability". [[User:Admanny|Admanny]] ([[User talk:Admanny|talk]]) 19:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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Baseband Chip Page Titles

For the baseband chip page titles, I think we should stick with the model number despite the marketing name. Pages:

--5urd 21:35, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

I'm leaning more towards the marketing names, since I think people are more familiar with them and they've been in use for a long time. We've always referred to the iPhone 2G's baseband as the "S-Gold 2" and the iPhone 3G/3GS's baseband as the "X-Gold 608." (By the way, it sounds like Qualcomm "markets" their chips by model number. [1]) --Dialexio 00:11, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
I created most of these newer pages and always used the model number (without space). So I agree with that in general. Changing old ones is a totally different story though, where we need more consent. I would be for it (and create a redirect on the marketing names). --http 01:52, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

Baseband downgrade possibility: Attempt for 04.11.08/04.12.01 to 04.10.01

0x1 There is no downgrade possibility; according to the most basis of fact in how baseband works as explained by dear MuscleNerd and there is signature checks as well as bootloader's chain of trust that I'm not going to repeat them again, but for this topic I start from iTunes error 1,-1,11

0x2 iTunes error 1,-1,11 : We will get this error whenever we want to do something with BB which is not allowed by apple. you can read about these error in detail from here[2]. Going deeper, this error raise by baseband's bootloader whenever you attempt to downgrade BB (in this case), this happens inside the NOR so this is why we can not exploit it easily from the outside. Another reason for this error (and in here the most important one that I wanted to discuss) is that apple no longer signing that firmware.

0x3 The situation that there is no BB installed on iPhone! : I could restore my iPhone4 in the case of there will be no BB at all. I called it reset my BB. There will be no Wifi, no BT. At the first time (a few months since I've started to work on) I thought it is dead (as apple confirmed this also). But I could restore it only to stock firmware with the latest one. So for who stays in 04.11.08 it may lead to do upgrade to 04.12.01 permanently with the latest iOS, now is 5.1.1 and before for me was 5.0.1, so be sure what you are doing and then go to reset the BB. So back to the game, if there was no BB then there is no bootloeader inside the NOR to stuck BB update process but I do not know that in this case what happened to "sectable" also known as "locktable" which is the master accountable to unlock the carrier, any way I think so only firmware signature checking by apple will be remain in "restore verify process" by iTunes. because as mentioned earlier, "currentBB"(BB to be updated) is allowed to be update by "comingBB" (BB to be updating to) only if : 1. "currentBB" < "comingBB" (= are you the most recent/lastest BB?) 2. "comingBB" is now signing by apple (=if so, does apple sign you? Are you eligible?) Huum... What happens if "currentBB"="null/zero/no matter"? Could we eliminate option (1) from the security check above in this case? So what next?

0x4 Track back to the issue lead us inside the bbfw file (ICE3_04.11.08_BOOT_02.13.Release) which contains four .fls files inside, and the most important one is psi_flash.fls who is in charge of security checks before handover the routines to stack.fls which is responsible for updating the baseband. This file does like NOR bootloader but fortunately it's outside the device so it is accessible but not such easy format to be understand by programmers. They are raw ROM based images for XMM6180 chip, ARM based and programmed in Thread-X, but the compiler is unknown; I will write about some disassembly notes using ida pro 6.1; by the way I leave my iPhone with no BB trying to find out and break the trust chains in the above files in order to bypass the bootloader security checks which may let us to downgrade to 04.10.01 which is currently unlocked by Gevey. Keep in mind that if this solution works..., it will need the SHSH for downgrading the iOS firmware to do reset the BB. I heard that iPhoneDevTeam are going to release the new version of Redsn0w which there will be no need to restore by iTunes but I do not know if the baseband approaches supposed to be addressed or it will work like iFaith that is basically bypass (preserve) BB, any way if I found this article useful I will note about disassembly and possibility approach as well as BB reset to share with any followers. --Kambiz 07:49, 13 May 2012 (MDT)K.N

Bluetooth Chip on iPhone 5

Is there any confirmation of the Bluetooth chip used in the iPhone 5? If there is, can we edit this page and add it? --5urd 10:04, 8 October 2012 (MDT)

Chipworks analyzed the iPhone 5's Murata Wi-Fi module and determined it uses the BCM4334. I'll add it to the Main Page now. --Dialexio 20:35, 8 October 2012 (MDT)

Adding vulnerability to main page

The page CVE-2013-0964 is currently orphaned. I think it would fit under the "Vulnerabilities and Exploits" subheading. Can someone with adequate permission make the change? 0x56 (talk) 03:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Added. --http (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Update for new devices

Somebody should update the main page (table) for the 5s and 5c --Phyrrus9 (talk) 21:14, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

No need. It says "iPhone 4S and newer". --iAdam1n (talk) 22:01, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Permission

Permission to add pangu8? Or should we wait until a Cydia version comes out? --Awesomebing1 (talk) 15:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

It has already been added and is fine IMO. I would state that it's SSH only though. --iAdam1n (talk) 16:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

All of the Watch product images?

So I was looking for Apple product images and found this interesting document that has links to all of the (current) product images. Since the Apple Watch has so many models, editions, colors, etc., would it be worthwhile to upload all the images listed from the document? So far I've found this one. (Apple Watch 42mm, Stainless Steel buckle) --Citrusui (talk) 18:01, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

It's not a great idea to upload images from Apple's website in general, since they're copyrighted by Apple, unless you can make a decent argument that using a copyrighted image in a particular article is is fair use. Britta (talk) 09:01, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Removal of Apple TV 3G from "Latest Firmware" Section?

Apparently, the Apple TV 3G has not received any updates from Apple for a long time and looks like it will not get any in the future. So, should we remove it from the "Latest Firmware" section on the Main Page? Any other thoughts? --Tp1194045441 (talk) 03:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

It's still been sold so it should stay as it's still "active" for this reason. --iAdam1n (talk) 22:34, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Cleanup

This page has a lot of links... It almost looks intimidating. That's not exactly an impression you want to leave on a first-time visitor. I'd like to clean it up, but I'm not entirely sure on what to cut out. I currently have everything in "Hardware" underneath the basebands in mind, and some of the definitions (be honest, how popular of a topic do you think iBEC is?). Any thoughts on what can or should not be cut? --Dialexio (talk) 21:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I think we should remove links to pages that have not been created yet. We can always add them back if/when made. --iAdam1n (talk) 22:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

KPP

Is there a reason why a KPP page has not been created? It would be useful to many... --Detiac 15:19, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

It would certainly be useful and something that should be on the wiki, but I don't think any active users are knowledgeable enough on the topic to provide a writeup. --Dialexio (talk) 02:23, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Rename Bad Stuff section

I don't know what we could rename it to, but it doesn't come off very well --Nullpixel (talk) 17:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Although the name is accurate, "Bad Stuff" does sound a little... off-kilter. Maybe something like "Malicious/Cautionary Topics?" --Dialexio (talk) 02:23, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Sorry for the late response. I agree, this is a better name. --Nullpixel (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Various Software

I feel like the Various Software section should either be segmented into smaller sections (Downgrading Utilities, Package Managers, etc.) or not exist at all -- and in the former case, would most likely not be under the section Various Software. Any thoughts? --wxblank (talk) 16:02, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Firmware Status style.

I am proposing a change to the firmware status table, to pack-in more info into a smaller space while also being more future-proof.

i believe having the table in this style will improve not only the aesthetic of the table, but also be able to handle more devices in the future.

Exhibit A

This is what we have now:

Device Apple TV (4th generation) and newer Apple Watch Series 1 and newer HomePod iPad (5th generation) and newer
iPad Air 2
iPad mini 4
iPad Pro (12.9-inch, 9.7-inch, 12.9-inch 2nd generation, 10.5-inch)
iPhone 6s through iPhone X
iPod touch (7th generation)
iPad Air (3rd generation)
iPad mini (5th generation)
iPad Pro (11-inch, 12.9-inch 3rd generation)
iPhone XR and newer
Latest
Public Firmware
13.4.6 (17L570) 6.2.6 (17T620) 13.4.6 (17L570) 13.5.1 (17F80)
Jailbreak available? Yes
(checkra1n)[1][2]
No Yes
(checkra1n)
No
(N/A)
Latest
Beta Firmwares
13.4.8 beta 3 (17M5558b)
14.0 beta (18J5313t)
6.2.8 beta 3 (17U5559d)
7.0 beta (Series 3+) (18R5310a)
N/A 13.6 beta 3 (17G5059c)
14.0 beta (18A5301v)
  1. ^ Apple TV HD only but supports Apple TV 4K with hardware modfications
  2. ^ Check the "Allow untested iOS/iPadOS/tvOS versions" checkbox in the options view to bypass the version check.

Exhibit B

This is the style i propose we replace Exhibit A with:

Product Linup Apple TV HomePod Apple Watch iPhone iPad iPad Air iPad Pro iPad mini iPod touch
Supported Apple TV HD
and newer
Series 1
and newer
iPhone 6s
and newer
5th Generation
and newer
iPad Air 2
and newer
12.9-inch (2016)
and newer
iPad mini 4
and newer
7th Generation
Latest
Public Firmwares
13.4.6 (17L570) 6.2.6 (17T620) 13.5.1 (17F80)
Jailbreak availability Yes
(checkra1n)[1][2]
No Yes* (checkra1n)[1]
*except for devices with the A12 or newer SoC's.
Latest
Beta Firmwares
13.4.8 beta 3 (17M5558b) N/A 6.2.8 beta 3 (17U5559d) 13.6 beta 3 (17G5059c)
14.0 beta (18J5313t) N/A 7.0 beta (18R5310a)*
*Series 3 and newer only.
14.0 beta (18A5301v)
  1. ^ a b Check the "Allow untested iOS/iPadOS/tvOS versions" checkbox in the options view to bypass the version check.
  2. ^ Apple TV HD only, but can support the Apple TV 4K with some hardware modifications.

I am open to comments or suggestions - DanTheMann15 (talk) 23:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree and prefer the new style. It sucks having devices listed twice but that would change once watchOS 7 is out of beta. Maybe though we could just add a note under the table that watchOS 7 beta’s require series 3 or newer and not have the second list. IMO that’d be better. —iAdam1n (talk) 00:16, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea, and the note actually fits inside the table! i've changed Exhibit B to reflect this. - DanTheMann15 (talk) 01:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I made the edit before seeing the talk page, oops. I'll leave it like that for now. Admanny (talk) 06:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I like the "Jailbreak availability" text, but on the other hand though many people ask that question: is a "Jailbreak available?", i edited Exhibit B so everyone can see how it looks, get other opinions on it, but overall im down with either way. - DanTheMann15 (talk) 08:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I think "available?" makes more sense to be honest with the yes and no answers. --iAdam1n (talk) 13:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
I changed it because it's unconventional for labels in a chart to be written in the form of a question. But, this is a small wiki anyway, so if the consensus sways towards keeping the question, that's fine. I'm still with keeping it as "availability". Admanny (talk) 19:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)