https://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=GeohotThe iPhone Wiki - User contributions [en]2026-04-28T00:53:08ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.31.14https://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=45760Main Page2015-05-14T08:12:46Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== Jailbreak Status ==<br />
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! style="height:3em;" | [[Models|Device]]<br />
! [[Apple Watch]]<br />
! [[Apple TV 3G]]<br />
! [[iPad 2]] and up<br />
! [[iPad mini 1G]] and up<br />
! [[iPhone 4S]] and up<br />
! [[iPod touch 5G]]<br />
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! style="height:3em;" | Latest [[firmware]]<br />
| 8.2 <small>(12S506)</small><br />
| 7.2/8.3 <small>(12F69)</small><br />
| colspan="4" | 8.3 <small>(12F69) and (12F70)</small><br />
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| colspan="6" {{no}}<br />
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<small>For older devices and versions, see [[Jailbreak]].</small><br />
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== Software ==<br />
* [[Apple Internal Apps]]<br />
* [[:Category:File Formats|File formats]]<br />
* [[/|Filesystem]]<br />
* [[Firmware]]<br />
** [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
** [[Prototype Firmware]]<br />
** [[OTA Updates]]<br />
* [[iTunes]]<br />
** [[iTunes Errors]]<br />
** [[iTunes Modes]]<br />
** [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Keys]]<br />
** [[AES Keys]]<br />
** [[CERT|Apple Certificate]]<br />
** [[Baseband RSA Keys|RSA Keys]]<br />
** [[Baseband TEA Keys|TEA Keys]]<br />
** [[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*** [[Decrypting Firmwares]]<br />
** [[GID Key]]<br />
** [[NCK]]<br />
* [[Protocols]]<br />
** [[Baseband Bootrom Protocol]]<br />
** [[DFU (Protocol)|DFU]]<br />
** [[Interactive Mode|Baseband Bootloader Protocol]]<br />
** [[Normal Mode]]<br />
** [[Recovery Mode (Protocols)|Recovery Mode]]<br />
** [[Restore Mode]]<br />
* [[System Log|System Log (syslog)]]<br />
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==== [[:Category:Jailbreaks|Jailbreak Software]] ====<br />
* [[Absinthe]]<br />
* [[blackra1n]]<br />
* [[Corona]]<br />
* [[evasi0n]]<br />
* [[evasi0n7]]<br />
* [[Geeksn0w]]<br />
* [[Greenpois0n (jailbreak)|greenpois0n]]<br />
* [[JailbreakMe]]<br />
* [[limera1n]]<br />
* [[p0sixspwn]]<br />
* [[Pangu]]<br />
* [[Pangu8]]<br />
* [[PPJailbreak]]<br />
* [[purplera1n]]<br />
* [[PwnageTool]]<br />
* [[redsn0w]]<br />
* [[Rocky Racoon]]<br />
* [[Seas0nPass]]<br />
* [[sn0wbreeze]]<br />
* [[Spirit]]<br />
* [[TaiG]]<br />
* [[unthredera1n]]<br />
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==== [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] ====<br />
* [[Kernel Patches|Kernel]]<br />
** [[AMFI Binary Trust Cache Patch]]<br />
** [[PE i can has debugger Patch]]<br />
** [[Sandbox Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map enter Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map protect Patch]]<br />
* [[:Category:Ramdisk Patches|Ramdisk]]: [[ASR]]<br />
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==== [[:Category:Exploits|Vulnerabilities and Exploits]] ====<br />
* [[0x24000 Segment Overflow]] (24kpwn)<br />
* [[BPF STX Kernel Write Exploit]]<br />
* [[CVE-2013-0964]]<br />
* [[HFS Heap Overflow]]<br />
* [[HFS Legacy Volume Name Stack Buffer Overflow]] (feedface)<br />
* [[Incomplete Codesign Exploit]]<br />
* [[IOSurface Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Limera1n Exploit]]<br />
* [[Malformed CFF Vulnerability]]<br />
* [[MobileBackup Copy Exploit]]<br />
* [[ndrv_setspec() Integer Overflow]]<br />
* [[Packet Filter Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Racoon String Format Overflow Exploit]]<br />
* [[SHA-1 Image Segment Overflow]] (SHAtter)<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0x21, 2) Exploit]]<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit]] (steaks4uce)<br />
* [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]]<br />
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====Various Software====<br />
* [[Cydia.app|Cydia]]<br />
* [[EDA]]<br />
* [[iDroid]]<br />
* [[iFaith]]<br />
* [[iPhone Tracker]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore7]]<br />
* [[TinyUmbrella]]<br />
* [[Sund0wn]]<br />
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== Hardware ==<br />
==== Devices ====<br />
{{see also|Models|Prototypes}}<br />
* [[iPhone]]<br />
** iPhone ([[m68ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3G ([[n82ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3GS ([[n88ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]])<br />
** iPhone 4S ([[n94ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5]] ([[n41ap]], [[n42ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5c]] ([[n48ap]], [[n49ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5s]] ([[n51ap]], [[n53ap]])<br />
** iPhone 6 ([[n61ap]])<br />
** iPhone 6 Plus ([[n56ap]])<br />
* [[iPod touch]]<br />
** iPod touch ([[n45ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 2G ([[n72ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 3G ([[n18ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 4G ([[n81ap]])<br />
** [[iPod touch 5G]] ([[n78ap]], [[n78aap]])<br />
* [[iPad]]<br />
** iPad ([[k48ap]])<br />
** [[iPad 2]] ([[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 3]] ([[j1ap]], [[j2ap]], [[j2aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 4]] ([[p101ap]], [[p102ap]], [[p103ap]])<br />
** [[iPad Air]] ([[j71ap]], [[j72ap]], [[j73ap]])<br />
** [[iPad Air 2]] ([[j81ap]], [[j82ap]])<br />
* [[iPad mini]]<br />
** [[iPad mini 1G]] ([[p105ap]], [[p106ap]], [[p107ap]])<br />
** [[iPad mini 2]] ([[j85ap]], [[j86ap]], [[j87ap]])<br />
** [[iPad mini 3]] ([[j85map]], [[j86map]], [[j87map]])<br />
* [[Apple TV]]<br />
** Apple TV 2G ([[k66ap]])<br />
** [[Apple TV 3G]] ([[j33ap]], [[j33iap]])<br />
* [[Apple Watch]] <br />
** 38mm ([[n27aap]])<br />
** 42mm ([[n28aap]])<br />
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==== [[Application Processor]]s ====<br />
* [[S5L8900]] ([[m68ap|iPhone]], [[n45ap|iPod touch]], [[n82ap|iPhone 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8720]] ([[n72ap|iPod touch 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8920]] ([[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]])<br />
* [[S5L8922]] ([[n18ap|iPod touch 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8930]] A4 ([[k48ap|iPad]], [[iPhone 4]], [[n81ap|iPod touch 4G]], [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8940]] A5 ([[iPad 2]], [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[S5L8942]] A5 Rev A ([[j33ap|Apple TV 3G]], [[k93aap|iPad 2 (iPad2,4)]], [[iPod touch 5G]], [[iPad mini 1G]])<br />
* [[S5L8945]] A5X ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8947]] A5 Rev B ([[j33iap|Apple TV 3G (AppleTV3,2)]])<br />
* [[S5L8950]] A6 ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPhone 5c]])<br />
* [[S5L8955]] A6X ([[iPad 4]])<br />
* [[S5L8960]] A7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad mini 2]], [[iPad mini 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8965]] A7 Variant ([[iPad Air]])<br />
* [[T7000]] A8 ([[n61ap|iPhone 6]], [[n56ap|iPhone 6 Plus]])<br />
* [[T7001]] A8X ([[iPad Air 2]])<br />
* [[S1]] ([[Apple Watch]])<br />
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==== [[Baseband Device]]s ====<br />
* [[S-Gold 2|PMB8876 or S-Gold 2]] ([[m68ap|iPhone]])<br />
* [[X-Gold 608|PMB8878 or X-Gold 608]] ([[n82ap|iPhone 3G]], [[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]], [[k48ap|iPad (3G Variant)]])<br />
* [[XMM6180|XMM6180 or X-Gold 618]] ([[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap|iPhone3,1]] and [[n90bap|iPhone3,2]]), [[k94ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,2)]])<br />
* [[MDM6600]] ([[n92ap|iPhone 4 (iPhone3,3)]], [[k95ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,3)]])<br />
* [[MDM6610]] ([[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[MDM9600]] ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[MDM9615]] ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPad 4]], [[iPad mini 1G]], [[iPhone 5c]], [[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2]])<br />
* [[MDM9625]] ([[n61ap|iPhone 6]], [[n56ap|iPhone 6 Plus]], and [[iPad Air 2]])<br />
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==== [[Motion Coprocessor]]s ====<br />
* [[LPC18A1]] M7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2]], [[iPad mini 3]])<br />
* [[LPC18B1]] M8 ([[n61ap|iPhone 6]], [[n56ap|iPhone 6 Plus]], [[iPad Air 2]])<br />
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==== WLAN/[[Bluetooth]] ====<br />
* [[Marvell 88x8686]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 4]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 6]]<br />
* [[BCM4325]]<br />
* [[BCM4329]]<br />
* [[BCM4330]]<br />
* [[BCM4334]]<br />
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==== NFC ====<br />
* [[NXP PN548]]<br />
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==== [[Compass.app|Compass]] ====<br />
* [[AKM8973]]<br />
* [[AKM8975]]<br />
* [[AK8963]]<br />
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==== Other ====<br />
* [[Accelerometer]]<br />
* [[Gyroscope]]: [[AGD1 2022 FP6AQ]]<br />
* Connectors: [[30-pin Connector|30-pin]], [[Lightning Connector|Lightning]]<br />
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== Development ==<br />
==== [[:Category:Hackers|iPhone Hackers]] ====<br />
* [[User:chpwn|chpwn]]<br />
* [[User:comex|comex]]<br />
* [[User:geohot|geohot]]<br />
* [[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
* [[User:MuscleNerd|MuscleNerd]]<br />
* [[pimskeks]]<br />
* [[User:planetbeing|planetbeing]]<br />
* [[User:pod2g|pod2g]]<br />
* [[User:posixninja|posixninja]]<br />
* [[saurik]]<br />
* [[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
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==== iPhone Hacker Teams ====<br />
* [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev]]<br />
* [[iPhone Dev Team]]<br />
* [[Dream Team]]<br />
* [[Evad3rs|evad3rs]]<br />
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==== Application Development ====<br />
* [[Apple Certification Process]]<br />
* [[Bypassing iPhone Code Signatures]]<br />
* [[Distribution Methods]]<br />
* [[/System/Library/Frameworks|Frameworks]]<br />
* [[Misuse of developer certificates]]<br />
* [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Mobile Substrate]]<br />
* [[Toolchain]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [[Toolchain 2.0]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [http://iphonedevwiki.net iPhoneDevWiki]<br />
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==== Application Copy Protection ====<br />
* [[Application Structure and Signatures]]<br />
* [[Bugging Debuggers]]<br />
* [[Copy Protection Overview]]<br />
* [[Defeating Cracks]]<br />
* [[Mach-O Loading Process]]<br />
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== Help ==<br />
==== Guides ====<br />
* [[Tutorials]]<br />
* [[Useful Links]]<br />
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==== Definitions ====<br />
* [[Activation]] and [[Hacktivation]]<br />
* [[ASLR]]<br />
* [[Baseband Device|Baseband]]<br />
* [[Baseband Bootloader|Bootloader]]<br />
* [[Bootchain]]<br />
* [[Bootrom]] / [[VROM]]<br />
* [[Bricked]]<br />
* [[CHIPID]]<br />
* [[DFU Mode]]<br />
* [[Failbreak]]<br />
* [[iBEC]]<br />
* [[iBoot (Bootloader)|iBoot]]<br />
* [[iBSS]]<br />
* [[IMG3 File Format|IMG3]] tags<br />
** [[BORD]]<br />
** [[CERT]]<br />
** [[CHIP]]<br />
** [[CPID]]<br />
** [[DATA]]<br />
** [[ECID]]<br />
** [[KBAG]]<br />
** [[PROD]]<br />
** [[SDOM]]<br />
** [[SEPO]]<br />
** [[SHSH]]<br />
** [[TYPE]]<br />
** [[VERS]]<br />
* [[Jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Tethered jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Untethered jailbreak]]<br />
* [[Firmware downgrading]]<br />
** [[Tethered Downgrade]]<br />
* [[Kernel]]<br />
* [[launchd]]<br />
* [[LLB]]<br />
* [[NAND]]<br />
* [[NOR]]<br />
* [[NORID]]<br />
* [[Unlock]]<br />
* [[Userland]]<br />
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__NOTOC____NOEDITSECTION__</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Geohot&diff=45736User talk:Geohot2015-05-11T23:20:16Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== Future of this Wiki ==<br />
[[User:geohot|geohot]] is the founder of this wiki. Now that he has retired (or whatever) I would be interested to know how this Wiki continues. I'm a little scared that he could just turn it off. Maybe we should make some backups now? Or can geohot or a close insider provide some infos about the future of this Wiki? If geohot needs someone to take over this project, I would be happy to do so (and probably many others also). It would be awful to see all our contributions fade away. A clear statement by any insider would help. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 18:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I currently have no plans to shut down this wiki. Rest assured that if I do, I will make a backup available online. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 19:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for clarification. This helps a lot. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The Sony case made me think of this again, especially when this wiki was down for a few hours. Perhaps you could give a backup to some trusted friend or so on a monthly or weekly basis? I would be happy to take the backups if you have no idea whom to give them - you have my email. -- [[User:Http|http]] 11:35, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I do make offsite backups about once a week. There's a privacy issue with letting someone else have the data. Also, how is the spam still happening? Using accounts they already have? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 06:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Privacy: Because of the user emails and passwords or something else? It can only be someone you really trust of course. Otherwise encrypted with a key you don't give out would be an alternative way. Weekly offsite backups are sufficient for now I think. Maybe I'll create a regular backup of the visible pages if that's not a problem for you. Spam: No, all new accounts. For the discussion see here: [[The iPhone Wiki:Spam#Captcha]]. -- [[User:Http|http]] 08:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Access to [http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/ blog] archives ==<br />
Will you post the information on your initial iPhone 2G unlock anywhere? This used to be on your blog (in the archives) and was quite fascinating... :( [[User:D235j|D235j]] 01:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other ==<br />
You made a rational decision leaving the jailbreak community. After all the crap you had to take from people I dont blame you. Im sorry for ever adding to the BS you deal with on a day-to-day basis. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 22:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)!<br />
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== Blog ==<br />
Hey mate, do you have any plans to make your blog public again? There was a lot of good information on there and it would be an official source of information and updates from you! Best! =) [[User:LiNK|LiNK]] 19:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yeah, Please Open your Blog... Even if it doesnt have to do with jailbreaking or anything like that! I just want to know the real george hotz... [[User:xX-BLACK_OPS-Xx|LOLZ]] 9:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== About GUIs == <br />
Hi. What do you think about GUIs in this wiki.There are some programs which calls another program like [[iDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[iDecrypter]](Calls VFDecypt) [[WinDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[Seas0npass]](Calls XPwn). Should these programs have a wiki page? Isnt it considered as advertising their program using this wiki? --[[User:Whiteshinyapple|Whiteshinyapple]] 02:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Mine ([[iDecryptIt]]) calls VFDecrypt '''''and''''' [[wikipedia:7-Zip|7-Zip]] --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 02:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Why are we discussing this on geohot's page? --[[User:Gamer765|Gamer765]] 04:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::The intial message was directed at geohot, inquiring about his thoughts on GUI apps on this wiki. He doesn't make his presence here known that often, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 04:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The Sysops here do such a good job I rarely have to step in. With regards to the GUI issue, it's not the most useful content on the wiki, but the idea of "advertising" a free program kind of seems like something not worth deleting over. Hard drive space is quite cheap. But then again, I'm not a dictator and perhaps this should be discussed somewhere besides my user page :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 04:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Rap Video ==<br />
Love the rap video! It could be the start of a whole new career! Plans to do another? [[User:Acheron|acheron]] 17:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
Geohot... I just wanted to say, thanks for all the work that you've done, and that you continue to do. You're a man among men. <br />
Veni, vidi, vici. {{unsigned|Rdqronos|01:36, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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== LocalSettings.php change needed ==<br />
I would like to have cydia:// urls working on this wiki, which requires an internal file changed. Please see [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal#Cydia links]]. Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Admin ==<br />
Again, can you rename me to 5urd and make me an admin? Or just make me an admin and I can do it myself. It seems unethical to have two accounts because if I get blocked, then I can use the other one... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:50, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Because people who ask will receive Admin. Go away. --Squiffypwn 14:11, 9 January 2012 (CST)<br />
::What? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::: How do I earn admin? --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: Be around for a while and have a track record of being helpful. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::: Ok. If someone who you asked says no can I be as you can see I have fixed a lot of things and will continue to do so. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:12, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Would it be possible for you to add me as an admin? I have contributed so much to this wiki including CSS for the mobile website. I'd be happy if you want to ask all of the existing admins. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:15, 11 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::I hereby nominate [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] to be an admin. I haven't seen anything against him, and he just seems to be the type to help/manage/anything the wiki. --[[User:Awesomebing1|Awesomebing1]] ([[User talk:Awesomebing1|talk]]) 23:05, 11 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
::::::Done :) Crazy that it's been 3 years since you asked, I feel you've certainly met the two criteria I mentioned above. Keep up the good work! --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 23:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
Maybe we could drop this whole thing altogether (the CSS primarily). I bet I could through together a theme that looks just like this, but it much easier to mod instead of using CSS styles (with save, refresh, test). I could install mediawiki on my computer and throw it together (professionally of course) and email it to you... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:53, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Wiki speed ==<br />
I just wanted to mention that in the last 2-3 days the wiki is so slow again, that it was unusable for me. I couldn't even notify you due to permanent timeouts. If you want, you can give me maybe other contact details for next time (you have my email to not tell this publicly). Right now it seems to be working, so I can write this. You might want to take a look at the logs/performance again. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 02:15, 14 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:I've ran some tests and the slow down is the page itself loading. I frequently get 324s (ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE) and a few 504s (Gateway timeout). As far as I can tell, it look like the database is the problem. I would recommend installing a cache plugin such as memcache. Please? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Upgrade ==<br />
Can we upgrade mediawiki? 1.20 is out and parser functions have had a couple of fixes. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:Please can we upgrade to mediawiki 1.20.3? It has a few fixes. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 12:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Statuses ==<br />
I was wondering if we could have some sort of system which allows upgraded features without being admin after so long? Maybe after 6 months we can move a page without redirect or delete a page? If that wouldn't work maybe some sorta of points that can be earned and at a certain number of points you can then do this? --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I see you don't understand the concept of Mediawiki. User privileges are determined by your rank (administrator, user, etc.). To do this would require writing an extension. The ability to move without making a redirect is only available to administrators as its use is not needed. If there is a typo, you can notify us to perform the move ourselves or just make the move. If it is obviously in need of deletion (as those typos were), just add a delete mark to it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:You can have 7 schrute bucks. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: So is it not possible to have karma etc? --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Minus 3 schrute bucks --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 18:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Lol. I found out its not . --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Twitter (Annoying) ==<br />
Hi Geohot, If you're around can you please confirm that https://twitter.com/GGeoHot is not you, So people can stop and report it for spam. --[[User:Haifisch|C17H21NO4]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 19:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:That's pretty obvious. No need to step in. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 19:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::You cannot really get it removed as its not breaking rules. Just block it. That is not him. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Wiki email issue ==<br />
Just letting you know that there's an error with <code>mail()</code> that's causing emails to not be sent: ''Error sending mail: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function.'' --[[User:thekirbylover|the]][[User talk:thekirbylover|kirby]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|lover]] 16:52, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Should be fixed, though mail may end up in spam. Mail servers are hard. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Changing_Ownership&diff=45735The iPhone Wiki:Changing Ownership2015-05-11T23:14:08Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div><div style="font-size: 16px; width: 600px"><br />
7 years ago, I wanted to build a place where everything we know about the iPhone could be documented. Considering that it's gotten millions of hits and is still here today, it has been successful beyond my wildest dreams. And I guess so has the iPhone, branching out into a sophisticated ecosystem spanning devices from watches to tablets. Thanks so much to everyone who has and continues to contribute.<br />
<br />
I'm 25 now; I've moved on from the iPhone and hacking scene, and in to the fascinating world of artificial intelligence. It feels like a lifetime ago that I wrote the seed pages for this wiki. The world of jailbreaking, and the world in general, have changed so much in that short time. Who remembers life without a smartphone? (I'm actually rocking a Samsung a157 these days. Anyone want to write an Uber SMS API?)<br />
<br />
This Wednesday, I pass theiphonewiki torch on to saurik, the creator of Cydia. He has done an amazing job keeping online a web presence that's far more sophisticated than this one, and I'm sure he'll do a great job running this site. Probably way better than me :P<br />
<br />
From your perspective as a user, nothing should change. You'll still have the same great admins. It'll still be neutral. And it'll still be ad-free. Except maybe it'll be down less and upgraded more.<br />
<br />
In hopes this site has many years ahead of it,<br />
<br />
~geohot<br />
</div></div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Changing_Ownership&diff=45732The iPhone Wiki:Changing Ownership2015-05-11T21:52:32Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div><div style="font-size: 16px; width: 600px"><br />
7 years ago, I wanted to build a place where everything we know about the iPhone could be documented. Considering that it's gotten millions of hits and it's still here today, it has been successful beyond my wildest dreams. And I guess so has the iPhone, branching out into a sophisticated ecosystem spanning devices from watches to tablets. Thanks so much to everyone who has and continues to contribute.<br />
<br />
I'm 25 now; I've moved on from the iPhone and hacking scene, and in to the fascinating world of artificial intelligence. It feels like a lifetime ago that I wrote the seed pages for this wiki. The world of jailbreaking, and the world in general, have changed so much in that short time. Who remembers life without a smartphone? (I'm actually rocking a Samsung a157 these days. Anyone want to write an Uber SMS API?)<br />
<br />
This Wednesday, I pass theiphonewiki torch on to saurik, the creator of Cydia. He has done an amazing job keeping online a web presence that's far more sophisticated than this one, and I'm sure he'll do a great job running this site. Probably way better than me :P<br />
<br />
From your perspective as a user, nothing should change. You'll still have the same great admins. It'll still be neutral. And it'll still be ad-free. Except maybe it'll be down less and upgraded more.<br />
<br />
In hopes this site has many years ahead of it,<br />
<br />
~geohot<br />
</div></div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Changing_Ownership&diff=45730The iPhone Wiki:Changing Ownership2015-05-11T21:37:02Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div><div style="font-size: 16px; width: 600px"><br />
7 years ago, I wanted to build a place where everything we know about the iPhone could be documented. Considering that it's gotten millions of hits and it's still here today, it has been successful beyond my wildest dreams. And I guess so has the iPhone, branching out into a sophisticated ecosystem spanning devices from watches to tablets.<br />
<br />
I'm 25 now; I've moved on from the iPhone and hacking scene, and in to the fascinating world of artificial intelligence. It feels like a lifetime ago that I wrote the seed pages for this wiki. The world of jailbreaking, and the world in general, have changed so much in that short time. Who remembers life without a smartphone? (I'm actually rocking a Samsung a157 these days. Anyone want to write an Uber SMS API?)<br />
<br />
This Wednesday, I pass theiphonewiki torch on to saurik, the creator of Cydia. He has done an amazing job keeping online a web presence that's far more sophisticated than this one, and I'm sure he'll do a great job running this site. Probably way better than me :P<br />
<br />
From your perspective as a user, nothing should change. You'll still have the same great admins. It'll still be neutral. And it'll still be ad-free. Except maybe it'll be down less and upgraded more.<br />
<br />
In hopes this site has many years ahead of it,<br />
<br />
~geohot<br />
</div></div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Changing_Ownership&diff=45729The iPhone Wiki:Changing Ownership2015-05-11T21:34:47Z<p>Geohot: Created page with "<div style="font-size: 16px; width: 600px"> 7 years ago, I wanted to build a place where everything we know about the iPhone could be documented. Considering that it's gotten ..."</p>
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7 years ago, I wanted to build a place where everything we know about the iPhone could be documented. Considering that it's gotten millions of hits and it's still here today, it has been successful beyond my wildest dreams. And I guess so has the iPhone, branching out into a sophisticated ecosystem spanning devices from watches to tablets.<br />
<br />
I'm 25 now; I've moved on from the iPhone and hacking scene, and in to the fascinating world of artificial intelligence. It feels like a lifetime ago that I wrote the seed pages for this wiki. The world of jailbreaking, and the world in general, have changed so much in that short time. Who remembers life without a smartphone? (I'm actually rocking a Samsung a157 these days. Anyone want to write an Uber SMS API?)<br />
<br />
This Wednesday, I pass theiphonewiki torch on to saurik, the creator of Cydia. He has done an amazing job keeping online a web presence that's far more sophisticated than this one, and I'm sure he'll do a great job running this site. Probably way better than me :P<br />
<br />
In hopes this site has many years ahead of it,<br />
<br />
~geohot<br />
</div></div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=45728Main Page2015-05-11T21:15:56Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div class="center" style="font-size: 24pt">[[Changing Ownership]]</div><br />
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{{:Main Page/Welcome}}<br />
<br />
== Jailbreak Status ==<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:1em; width:100%;"<br />
|-<br />
! style="height:3em;" | [[Models|Device]]<br />
! [[Apple Watch]]<br />
! [[Apple TV 3G]]<br />
! [[iPad 2]] and up<br />
! [[iPad mini 1G]] and up<br />
! [[iPhone 4S]] and up<br />
! [[iPod touch 5G]]<br />
|-<br />
! style="height:3em;" | Latest [[firmware]]<br />
| 8.2 <small>(12S506)</small><br />
| 7.2/8.3 <small>(12F69)</small><br />
| colspan="4" | 8.3 <small>(12F69) and (12F70)</small><br />
|-<br />
! style="height:3em;" | Jailbreak available?<br />
| colspan="6" {{no}}<br />
|}<br />
<small>For older devices and versions, see [[Jailbreak]].</small><br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Software ==<br />
* [[Apple Internal Apps]]<br />
* [[:Category:File Formats|File formats]]<br />
* [[/|Filesystem]]<br />
* [[Firmware]]<br />
** [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
** [[Prototype Firmware]]<br />
** [[OTA Updates]]<br />
* [[iTunes]]<br />
** [[iTunes Errors]]<br />
** [[iTunes Modes]]<br />
** [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Keys]]<br />
** [[AES Keys]]<br />
** [[CERT|Apple Certificate]]<br />
** [[Baseband RSA Keys|RSA Keys]]<br />
** [[Baseband TEA Keys|TEA Keys]]<br />
** [[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*** [[Decrypting Firmwares]]<br />
** [[GID Key]]<br />
** [[NCK]]<br />
* [[Protocols]]<br />
** [[Baseband Bootrom Protocol]]<br />
** [[DFU (Protocol)|DFU]]<br />
** [[Interactive Mode|Baseband Bootloader Protocol]]<br />
** [[Normal Mode]]<br />
** [[Recovery Mode (Protocols)|Recovery Mode]]<br />
** [[Restore Mode]]<br />
* [[System Log|System Log (syslog)]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Jailbreaks|Jailbreak Software]] ====<br />
* [[Absinthe]]<br />
* [[blackra1n]]<br />
* [[Corona]]<br />
* [[evasi0n]]<br />
* [[evasi0n7]]<br />
* [[Geeksn0w]]<br />
* [[Greenpois0n (jailbreak)|greenpois0n]]<br />
* [[JailbreakMe]]<br />
* [[limera1n]]<br />
* [[p0sixspwn]]<br />
* [[Pangu]]<br />
* [[Pangu8]]<br />
* [[PPJailbreak]]<br />
* [[purplera1n]]<br />
* [[PwnageTool]]<br />
* [[redsn0w]]<br />
* [[Rocky Racoon]]<br />
* [[Seas0nPass]]<br />
* [[sn0wbreeze]]<br />
* [[Spirit]]<br />
* [[TaiG]]<br />
* [[unthredera1n]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] ====<br />
* [[Kernel Patches|Kernel]]<br />
** [[AMFI Binary Trust Cache Patch]]<br />
** [[PE i can has debugger Patch]]<br />
** [[Sandbox Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map enter Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map protect Patch]]<br />
* [[:Category:Ramdisk Patches|Ramdisk]]: [[ASR]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Exploits|Vulnerabilities and Exploits]] ====<br />
* [[0x24000 Segment Overflow]] (24kpwn)<br />
* [[BPF STX Kernel Write Exploit]]<br />
* [[CVE-2013-0964]]<br />
* [[HFS Heap Overflow]]<br />
* [[HFS Legacy Volume Name Stack Buffer Overflow]] (feedface)<br />
* [[Incomplete Codesign Exploit]]<br />
* [[IOSurface Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Limera1n Exploit]]<br />
* [[Malformed CFF Vulnerability]]<br />
* [[MobileBackup Copy Exploit]]<br />
* [[ndrv_setspec() Integer Overflow]]<br />
* [[Packet Filter Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Racoon String Format Overflow Exploit]]<br />
* [[SHA-1 Image Segment Overflow]] (SHAtter)<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0x21, 2) Exploit]]<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit]] (steaks4uce)<br />
* [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]]<br />
<br />
====Various Software====<br />
* [[Cydia.app|Cydia]]<br />
* [[EDA]]<br />
* [[iDroid]]<br />
* [[iFaith]]<br />
* [[iPhone Tracker]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore7]]<br />
* [[TinyUmbrella]]<br />
* [[Sund0wn]]<br />
<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Hardware ==<br />
==== Devices ====<br />
{{see also|Models|Prototypes}}<br />
* [[iPhone]]<br />
** iPhone ([[m68ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3G ([[n82ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3GS ([[n88ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]])<br />
** iPhone 4S ([[n94ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5]] ([[n41ap]], [[n42ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5c]] ([[n48ap]], [[n49ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5s]] ([[n51ap]], [[n53ap]])<br />
** iPhone 6 ([[n61ap]])<br />
** iPhone 6 Plus ([[n56ap]])<br />
* [[iPod touch]]<br />
** iPod touch ([[n45ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 2G ([[n72ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 3G ([[n18ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 4G ([[n81ap]])<br />
** [[iPod touch 5G]] ([[n78ap]], [[n78aap]])<br />
* [[iPad]]<br />
** iPad ([[k48ap]])<br />
** [[iPad 2]] ([[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 3]] ([[j1ap]], [[j2ap]], [[j2aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 4]] ([[p101ap]], [[p102ap]], [[p103ap]])<br />
** [[iPad Air]] ([[j71ap]], [[j72ap]], [[j73ap]])<br />
** [[iPad Air 2]] ([[j81ap]], [[j82ap]])<br />
* [[iPad mini]]<br />
** [[iPad mini 1G]] ([[p105ap]], [[p106ap]], [[p107ap]])<br />
** [[iPad mini 2]] ([[j85ap]], [[j86ap]], [[j87ap]])<br />
** [[iPad mini 3]] ([[j85map]], [[j86map]], [[j87map]])<br />
* [[Apple TV]]<br />
** Apple TV 2G ([[k66ap]])<br />
** [[Apple TV 3G]] ([[j33ap]], [[j33iap]])<br />
* [[Apple Watch]] <br />
** 38mm ([[n27aap]])<br />
** 42mm ([[n28aap]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Application Processor]]s ====<br />
* [[S5L8900]] ([[m68ap|iPhone]], [[n45ap|iPod touch]], [[n82ap|iPhone 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8720]] ([[n72ap|iPod touch 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8920]] ([[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]])<br />
* [[S5L8922]] ([[n18ap|iPod touch 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8930]] A4 ([[k48ap|iPad]], [[iPhone 4]], [[n81ap|iPod touch 4G]], [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8940]] A5 ([[iPad 2]], [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[S5L8942]] A5 Rev A ([[j33ap|Apple TV 3G]], [[k93aap|iPad 2 (iPad2,4)]], [[iPod touch 5G]], [[iPad mini 1G]])<br />
* [[S5L8945]] A5X ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8947]] A5 Rev B ([[j33iap|Apple TV 3G (AppleTV3,2)]])<br />
* [[S5L8950]] A6 ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPhone 5c]])<br />
* [[S5L8955]] A6X ([[iPad 4]])<br />
* [[S5L8960]] A7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad mini 2]], [[iPad mini 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8965]] A7 Variant ([[iPad Air]])<br />
* [[T7000]] A8 ([[n61ap|iPhone 6]], [[n56ap|iPhone 6 Plus]])<br />
* [[T7001]] A8X ([[iPad Air 2]])<br />
* [[S1]] ([[Apple Watch]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Baseband Device]]s ====<br />
* [[S-Gold 2|PMB8876 or S-Gold 2]] ([[m68ap|iPhone]])<br />
* [[X-Gold 608|PMB8878 or X-Gold 608]] ([[n82ap|iPhone 3G]], [[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]], [[k48ap|iPad (3G Variant)]])<br />
* [[XMM6180|XMM6180 or X-Gold 618]] ([[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap|iPhone3,1]] and [[n90bap|iPhone3,2]]), [[k94ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,2)]])<br />
* [[MDM6600]] ([[n92ap|iPhone 4 (iPhone3,3)]], [[k95ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,3)]])<br />
* [[MDM6610]] ([[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[MDM9600]] ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[MDM9615]] ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPad 4]], [[iPad mini 1G]], [[iPhone 5c]], [[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2]])<br />
* [[MDM9625]] ([[n61ap|iPhone 6]], [[n56ap|iPhone 6 Plus]], and [[iPad Air 2]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Motion Coprocessor]]s ====<br />
* [[LPC18A1]] M7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2]], [[iPad mini 3]])<br />
* [[LPC18B1]] M8 ([[n61ap|iPhone 6]], [[n56ap|iPhone 6 Plus]], [[iPad Air 2]])<br />
<br />
==== WLAN/[[Bluetooth]] ====<br />
* [[Marvell 88x8686]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 4]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 6]]<br />
* [[BCM4325]]<br />
* [[BCM4329]]<br />
* [[BCM4330]]<br />
* [[BCM4334]]<br />
<br />
==== NFC ====<br />
* [[NXP PN548]]<br />
<br />
==== [[Compass.app|Compass]] ====<br />
* [[AKM8973]]<br />
* [[AKM8975]]<br />
* [[AK8963]]<br />
<br />
==== Other ====<br />
* [[Accelerometer]]<br />
* [[Gyroscope]]: [[AGD1 2022 FP6AQ]]<br />
* Connectors: [[30-pin Connector|30-pin]], [[Lightning Connector|Lightning]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Development ==<br />
==== [[:Category:Hackers|iPhone Hackers]] ====<br />
* [[User:chpwn|chpwn]]<br />
* [[User:comex|comex]]<br />
* [[User:geohot|geohot]]<br />
* [[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
* [[User:MuscleNerd|MuscleNerd]]<br />
* [[pimskeks]]<br />
* [[User:planetbeing|planetbeing]]<br />
* [[User:pod2g|pod2g]]<br />
* [[User:posixninja|posixninja]]<br />
* [[saurik]]<br />
* [[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
<br />
==== iPhone Hacker Teams ====<br />
* [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev]]<br />
* [[iPhone Dev Team]]<br />
* [[Dream Team]]<br />
* [[Evad3rs|evad3rs]]<br />
<br />
==== Application Development ====<br />
* [[Apple Certification Process]]<br />
* [[Bypassing iPhone Code Signatures]]<br />
* [[Distribution Methods]]<br />
* [[/System/Library/Frameworks|Frameworks]]<br />
* [[Misuse of developer certificates]]<br />
* [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Mobile Substrate]]<br />
* [[Toolchain]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [[Toolchain 2.0]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [http://iphonedevwiki.net iPhoneDevWiki]<br />
<br />
==== Application Copy Protection ====<br />
* [[Application Structure and Signatures]]<br />
* [[Bugging Debuggers]]<br />
* [[Copy Protection Overview]]<br />
* [[Defeating Cracks]]<br />
* [[Mach-O Loading Process]]<br />
<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Help ==<br />
==== Guides ====<br />
* [[Tutorials]]<br />
* [[Useful Links]]<br />
<br />
==== Definitions ====<br />
* [[Activation]] and [[Hacktivation]]<br />
* [[ASLR]]<br />
* [[Baseband Device|Baseband]]<br />
* [[Baseband Bootloader|Bootloader]]<br />
* [[Bootchain]]<br />
* [[Bootrom]] / [[VROM]]<br />
* [[Bricked]]<br />
* [[CHIPID]]<br />
* [[DFU Mode]]<br />
* [[Failbreak]]<br />
* [[iBEC]]<br />
* [[iBoot (Bootloader)|iBoot]]<br />
* [[iBSS]]<br />
* [[IMG3 File Format|IMG3]] tags<br />
** [[BORD]]<br />
** [[CERT]]<br />
** [[CHIP]]<br />
** [[CPID]]<br />
** [[DATA]]<br />
** [[ECID]]<br />
** [[KBAG]]<br />
** [[PROD]]<br />
** [[SDOM]]<br />
** [[SEPO]]<br />
** [[SHSH]]<br />
** [[TYPE]]<br />
** [[VERS]]<br />
* [[Jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Tethered jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Untethered jailbreak]]<br />
* [[Firmware downgrading]]<br />
** [[Tethered Downgrade]]<br />
* [[Kernel]]<br />
* [[launchd]]<br />
* [[LLB]]<br />
* [[NAND]]<br />
* [[NOR]]<br />
* [[NORID]]<br />
* [[Unlock]]<br />
* [[Userland]]<br />
|}<br />
__NOTOC____NOEDITSECTION__</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=42013The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2014-09-02T04:43:21Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive}}<br />
{{see also|Unsolved problems}}<br />
==iPhone-Elite==<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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==Boot-args cleanup==<br />
We need to clean up the boot-args pages. First the technical part: What I understand is that iBoot loads the kernel. And when loading it, it can pass some parameters to select certain behavior. So this only works with an iBoot or bootrom exploit. I understand that in earlier firmware versions there was simply an iBoot variable, but that doesn't exist or work anymore, now passing theses args requires a different or patched iBoot. There are various parameters in different kernel versions. The description for these arguments is scattered over various places:<br />
*[[Kernel#Boot-Args]] A section with the latest boot arguments list. This should be a short introduction and having a link "main article".<br />
*[[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] separate page for boot arguments, but mainly for the iBoot variable that doesn't exist any longer<br />
*[{{FULLURL:Boot arguments|redirect=no}} Boot arguments] (redirect)<br />
*[[:Talk:Restore_Mode]] describing the iBoot variable problem<br />
*Various pages referencing boot-args, like [[Research: Re-allowing unsigned ramdisks and boot-args with the 2.* iBoot]] (here we should have a link on the second title)<br />
*My earlier comment [[:Talk:Kernel#boot-args]]<br />
*This comment here.<br />
So what do we want to do about this mess? I suggest to move the current [[Kernel]] content to the redirect page [[Boot arguments]] (or to another new page, maybe [[boot-args]]). The current content of [[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] and all other content should get merged into there. Then change all references to this new page and on the [[Kernel]] page write just something short with "main article there". What do you think? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 21:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I like [[Boot Arguments]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 02:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::One addition: Maybe we should use [[boot-args]] as the main page, because all links are written like that. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 07:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==The iPhone Wiki re-design==<br />
The design of the iPhone wiki is now quite old and I think it should be updated. I made a [http://oi42.tinypic.com/30ib9y8.jpg concept]. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I disagree. If anything add an iPhone 5 to the logo but everything else is ok. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I wouldn't change the logo to an iPhone 5, especially with iOS 7 and a new iPhone (that will probably look the same as the 5, admittedly) around the corner. I contemplated updating the CSS for iOS 7's UI but decided not to because of the UI's supposed volatility (during the beta period) and I don't have a live version to toy around with. (I personally don't like its current state, but that's not a factor in why I'm not changing it yet.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Can we not do flat? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 21:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::This is what I was thinking. When iOS 7 finally comes out, we could change the CSS to look like that instead. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::iOS 7 looks ugly. We do not want it like that. Maybe a bit more modern but nothing much. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::''You'' may not want it like that. That's your opinion. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::We could make a poll, and see if most users agree or disagree. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:The idea looks nice. But before we make any changes, let's wait until iOS7 comes out. And I'd prefer to just add another skin instead (if possible). I'm still using the classic MonoBook skin by the way. You shouldn't impose design changes to everyone. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::The problem with skins is that geohot needs to set them up... An idea I have is that we copy the Vector skin verbatim to a new skin (<code>iOS6</code>) and move the modifications (not general stuff) to [[Mediawiki:iOS6.css]]. Then we can do another verbatim copy to <code>iOS7</code> and modify [[Mediawiki:iOS7.css]]. We could then set the default skin to either <code>iOS6</code> or <code>iOS7</code> so you don't need to be logged in to see them like currently. Then if someone doesn't like them, like you, just change your settings to your preferred skin. The only way around needing geohot is if he opens up the credentials to FTP or whatever to someone. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:5urd|5urd]]'s suggestion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:29, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
What about just removing the text-shadow element for now? I think pages would be easier to read without it. Here's an example: [[:File:Noshadow.png]]. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah removing the shadow will make everything seem more flat but like [[User:http|http]] I'm still using the classic [http://theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=monobook MonoBook skin] --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 21:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Hacker page==<br />
I would like to be added to the list of hackers for my work with the Private Dev Team and the [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev Team]] in addition to my release of the Phoenix Semi-Untethered. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Did you find any exploits? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 18:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::No. [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]], a team member found the vulnerability. I am the one who exploited it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]])<br />
:::I can back up this "claim". I was a part of it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Whatever happened to this? --[[User:Phyrrus9|phyrrus9]]<br />
:::::So this went cold and i am going to again request that this change be made. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm gonna say no. I don't see any notable accomplishments to merit this. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 21:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::'''No'''. The first step would be to get to the category [[:Category:Hackers|hackers]]. You can get there by finding a vulnerability that is used with an exploit in a jailbreak - or by writing a new exploit. Remember that it's not allowed to add yourself to that category. Instead of finding a vulnerability you could also be member of either The [[iPhone Dev Team]] or [[Chronic Dev]] or [[evad3rs]]. After being in that category, the next step would be that you're famous enough from all those hackers there to get to the main page. The people chosen are discussed here. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Orphaned articles==<br />
This is an interesting search: [[Special:LonelyPages]] - "The following pages are not linked from or transcluded into other pages in The iPhone Wiki." I'm not sure where all of those articles should be linked, but figuring that out could be a useful project for somebody. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 05:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Easy tasks for new editors==<br />
* Finish converting the remaining error codes listed here [[MobileDevice_Library#Known_Error_Codes]] into the proper mach_return_t codes they should be displayed as. (convert the negative number listed into hex, strip any leading "FF" so it should be in the format "0xe80000" followed by two numbers) --[[User:Dirkg|Dirkg]] ([[User talk:Dirkg|talk]]) 22:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A1XXX model numbers vs. "GSM"/"CDMA"/"Global"/"Cellular"/etc. ==<br />
I know that this topic was [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal/2013#iPhone 5|already discussed earlier this year]], but it didn't seem to come to a consensus, and the introduction of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] brought a lot of model numbers. Some of them may "overlap" (think models A1429 and A1442 for the [[iPhone 5]]), but there's simply too many to give names to. There are at least two that can connect to CDMA networks, and all of them can connect to GSM. In addition, with the sheer amount of models, it doesn't seem likely for one model to be treated as a "global" model. Therefore, I changed the iPhone 5c to use model numbers. I would like to do the same to some of the devices that are already present on the wiki though— the same ones from when I first brought up this idea. The GSM/CDMA names work very well for the [[iPad 2]] and [[iPhone 4]]. Things are slightly murkier for the [[iPad 3|iPad (3rd gen.)]], [[iPad 4|iPad (4th gen.)]], [[iPad mini 1G]], and [[iPhone 5]] though; all of those devices' cellular models can connect to GSM networks, so it seems like nonsense to call some of them the "GSM model." The A1XXX model numbers are also how Apple tells the difference between the different models of these devices. Have any opinions changed? Or perhaps someone new might have something to say about this? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 06:06, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I actually like the idea as it does get complicated now with the new devices coming like said and we would have to do this for all devices. Although, if we did this, we would have to move all the key pages that have keys on to support this. That would not be a big problem as we could limit the moves to say 20 per day. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I suggest we wait a bit until we see what models of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] will exist. But in general, I like the idea of using only the A1nnn numbers. The only issue I see right now is that Apple differentiates between A1532 GSM and A1532 CDMA. If there are real hardware differences between these two, then we're screwed again. That's why I suggest to wait until we know these exact model types. On the disambiguation page I added the GSM/CDMA model differentiation already (as Apple does). If they turn out to be the same, we can remove it again, but I wonder why Apple lists two models (with different bands supported) there now. Someone also added the "CDMA" mark to one of the others, but that's not how Apple marks them, so I suggest to remove that mark there again. If everything can be differentiated by these A-model-numbers, then yes, we should change the old pages too. Including all key pages. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:44, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do know there are 2 CDMA and 3-4 GSM for the [[iPhone 5c]] alone. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ahem… ''All'' of the iPhone 5c models can do GSM communications. Hence one of the reasons why I want to ditch the "GSM"/"Global"/etc. labels in favor of A1XXX model numbers. ;P --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::One thing is, what about iPod touch 5 as that has two model numbers that are the same device, same with iPhone5,2. How would we get around that? I suppose we could like both separated with a forward slash. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah, we could just use something like "[[n42ap|iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)]]." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 22:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yeah I thought that but what about the iPhone 4 GSM and GSM Rev A? They both seem to be A1432. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:10, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::This is why I'm against using the A1XXX model numbers instead of the current GSM/Global thing. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I had no plans to change the way we refer to the iPhone 4 or iPad 2 (Apple does use GSM/CDMA, and for those devices it works fine). If a new iPhone 5S revision comes along, Apple will probably refer to it as a "Rev A" thing, and so will we. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Referencing Adam's reply above, if we had took that to the key pages, it'd be <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432)]]</code> which would mess ''everything'' up. What could we do? Use <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432 Rev A)]]</code>? No. That doesn't look good. The current way of referring to everything by their supported network type (GSM/CDMA/Global) helps in going to a different page.<br />
:Let's say I'm on [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 GSM)]] and I want to go the CDMA device. What do I do? Go to the URL and replace <code>GSM</code> with <code>CDMA</code>. With the model numbers, I'd have to navigate to [[Firmware]], then find the link, or find out what the model number of the CDMA variant is and replace the model number in the URL with that.<br /><br />
:Ok, who navigates by the URL and search bar? ''I do''. And I'm sure there's '''many''' people out there that prefer to navigate with the search bar if they know the page name. If we go by model number, the AJAX search results just list pages with a model number in parenthesis. '''How does that help'''? I'd either have to ''know'' the model number of the device I want, or visit ''each one'' until I find the page I need.<br />
:Sorry for the rant, but I am '''strongly''' against this. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do suppose we could just trash the buildtrain all together to shorten it down too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Dropping the Build Train would only ''increase'' the workload. Besides, what's the harm with it? We've been using the same page title structure since forever, and it's worked. "''If it ain't broke, don't fix it''". The current system works, so ''why'', other than the fact that Apple refers to them differently, should we change this? In addition, we don't refer to everything the way Apple does. The [[iPad mini 1G]] is referred to as the "iPad mini". The [[iPad 3]] is refered to as "The New iPad". The [[iPad 4]] is refered to as "iPad with Retina Display"<sup class="plainlinks">[http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/]</sup>. Are the key pages titled <code>BrightonMaps 10B329 (The New iPad, Wi-Fi+3G for AT&T and Verizon)</code>? No. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::But the reason we want to not use the variants is because the new devices that are coming out are breaking he structure and also CDMA versions can use GSM in the 5c plus we have like 4 for GSM alone. I only meant drop buildtrain to shorten the urls down. For the iPhone 4 GSM Rev A we would have to list it as <code>iPhone 4 A1432 Rev</code> unless another idea is thought of. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:55, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::No. Anything involving moving key pages to change their title I am ''completely'' against. As for the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c, we ultimately have to wait. There may be different types, but if they all work with the same firmware, then what do we do then? Use <code>A1456/A1504</code>? I don't want to do that. It can get confusing in the future if that list were to be huge. With ''5'' different models for the iPhone 5c ''alone'', it's just not practical. For the fact that all support GSM, but not all support CDMA, we just do what we've ''been'' doing: "GSM" and "Global". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::There's nothing wrong with changing the titles of pages that don't even exist though. If *all* of the models use the same firmware, just go with "iPhone 5s." If they happen to be partitioned into two different firmwares again, that will certainly complicate things, but it wouldn't be worse than nonsense like "GSM," "GSM [<nowiki />Global]," "CDMA," "CDMA [<nowiki />Global]," or "GSM [<nowiki />Global Plus TD-LTE]." If it's just one oddball, we could just have "iPhone 5s" and "iPhone 5s A1XXX" (whatever the odd one is), and include a link on the former page to say "keys for model A1XXX are on this page." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::I probably didn't phrase that well… I wasn't thinking of how Apple markets the product, but rather more along the lines of how they refer to it in, say, the tech specs page or support documents— the pages that shows the messier side to their simple sugar coating. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You keep misinterpreting/misrepresenting what I'm proposing. I never said anything about dropping, say, "iPhone 5" so firmware page titles would look like [[Sundance 10A405 (A1428)]]. I want to change the GSM/Global part to the A1XXX number, so it would probably show like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428)]]. (If a hardware revision were made, it would probably look like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428 Rev A)]].) From time to time, I edit URLs to browse the wiki too. But the GSM/Global identifiers don't work that well; again, '''all iPhone 5 models can connect to GSM'''. That's not really helpful. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I suggest we drop the A and use Rev. As for the idea of changing to A1XXX, I see no issues and am for the idea. I admit it can cause chaos when we move the pages but we could limit the moving per day of course. Overall, I think it will be worth it. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::No. Don't drop the <code>A</code> from <code>Rev A</code>. Why would you even think to? You want to call them what Apple calls them, and the [[n90bap|revised iPhone 4 GSM]] is referred to with <code>Rev A</code>. In addition, there have been <code>Rev ''B''</code> things before, such as the [[S5L8947]] (A5 Rev B) used in the [[j33iap|revised Apple TV 3G]]. In addition, think of all the redirects we would need to keep for sites that link to key pages directly. I have even seen sites that still link with the URLs as <code>/wiki/index.php?title={Title}</code> instead of the year old change to <code>/wiki/{Title}</code>. The wiki handles that internally for us, but the redirects made in the moves would have to be kept. Currently, only the [[iPhone 5]] and [[iPad 4]] are the only devices referred to by their model numbers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's why I don't want to change it. It's worked for us, and we have no idea how the new firmwares will be handled. I am betting that there will only be two firmware types - one for the GSM, and one for the Global (GSM+CDMA) model. The only reason they are split, IIRC, is because AT&T uses different LTE bands than rest of the GSM world.<br />
:::Ultimately, the GSM/CDMA/Global monikors haven't caused any ''naming conflicts''. Ok, you don't want to use the ''marketing'' title. What about the way they are referred to on [[Apple Developer Center|ADC]], because that seems to be what you want. I may be misreading what you're saying again, but if we're going to do that, let's use their ''full'' title. Something <code>(iPad [4th generation Model A1458])</code> (iPad 4 Wi-Fi) and <code>(iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for Verizon])</code> (iPad 3 Global). Does the first one tell you if the device is Wi-Fi or a Wi-Fi+3G model? Does the second one tell you ''at all'' that it is an [[iPad 3]], or that it supports GSM? No.<br />
:::Apple has a history of being inconsistent. For example, the iPad 3 Wi-Fi is referred to on ADC (and iTunes) as "iPad Wi-Fi (3rd generation)" while the iPad 3 GSM is referred to as "iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for AT&T]". What happened to the "3rd generation"? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::We could always list as <code>iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)</code> etc instead if that would be better. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Why is there a need to explicitly keep "Wi-Fi" in a key page's title? All you need is a way to distinguish what model it is from its other variants— the A1XXX model number does just that. It's not like we referred to the AppleTV3,2 as "Apple TV 3G (New Single-Core A5)" or something. And obviously, we can use common sense to address the 3rd generation iPad issue you brought up… Now you're just nitpicking. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Actually, I think we should wait until we see the firmware for iPhone 5c/5s and then decide. TBH, as [[User:5urd|5urd]] said, it is ok as it is but of course if once the new firmware is out it is more confusing, then we can think again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Come to think of it, we can use a mix of both; we can keep the "Global" moniker, but drop the "GSM" moniker in favor of the A1XXX model number. (The "GSM" moniker is the one that's been bothering me.) I think this works well for the iPad 3 (which is actually split into "CDMA" and "Global—" it probably doesn't need to be done for this), iPad 4, iPad mini 1G, and iPhone 5, but this leaves the question of what to do for the iPhone 5C/5S. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That would look worse! If we are going to do it, we have to do it for '''''all'''''. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::What is the status on this now? --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::This discussion has stagnated, but I'm firing it up again— I want to fix this before the end of the year, so this can probably be seen as an ultimatum. Now that Apple has pushed a 7.1 beta to developers, we now know how Apple's splitting the new iPhones up— and it's by A1XXX model numbers still. :\ That's probably the path the wiki will go down, but I do have another idea. The other idea I have in mind is using the A1XXX model number for the cellular devices launched last year. But for this year's iPhones, the FCC ID is actually different between the two, so we could actually use that. Before this gets nitpicked on, the last letter can get changed to an "X" to signify that it's a wildcard of sorts. It's not a pretty solution so I do expect it to get shot down (hence why I'm going with the A1XXX model numbers unless everyone says otherwise), but I'm still throwing it out there in case everyone actually likes that. Everyone is welcome to suggest alternatives, but I '''will''' eliminate that GSM label before the year ends. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That is worse, nobody knows the FCC ID off the top of their head. I would suggest "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" if anything. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Using "iPhone5,1" or "iPhone6,2" is even ''less'' friendly… The FCC ID can be looked up in Settings or the back of a device. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Well that is not the point. I say either use the firmware name or leave it alone. See what others thing though. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I currently plan on using the A1XXX model numbers— the FCC ID proposal was just thrown out there in the off chance that someone might like it. I'm not really a fan of it myself, but the FCC ID is probably the simplest way to figure out if it's an iPhone6,1 or iPhone6,2 since both have multiple A1XXX model numbers. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I agree to get rid of the "GSM" name, as almost all iPhones support GSM. The Axxxx numbers would be nice, but as some phones have several numbers, like A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530 (what is actually different between them?) we can't use it. For the FCC-ID, we can't use that either, because for example the iPhone 5 with FCC-ID BCG-E2599A stands for the GSM/A1428 and also for the GSM+CDMA/A1429 version. So I suggest to either use the identifier (like iPhone2,1) or better the internal name (like n88ap). That would have the advantage to separate them further, because the iPhone 4 A1332 has two internal versions: iPhone3,1/n90ap and the iPhone3,2/n90bap. The bigger question is where you want to use this. That determines mainly the name. On all the key pages? Then it must be a name that is different between models that use different firmwares. And regarding key pages, maybe we should delete all the key pages from this wiki and move them into some database instead and provide a nice user interface and API around it and integrate that into the wiki somehow. That way we can change all pages with one simple edit. For the name, I prefer the internal name. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:43, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::We would have to edit key pages too. They should not be removed however. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, I wasn't trying to say that we had to decide on one way to differentiate ''everything''; "GSM" does work fine for, say, the iPhone 4. The proposal I brought up today was using the FCC ID only for this year's (2013's) iPhones— last year's cellular devices would get the A1XXX model numbers (i.e. two different solutions for two different years). But as of right now, I like how using A1XXX model numbers sounds for all of the affected devices, mostly because that's the path Apple's going in their developer portal. Something like "iPhone 5s (Model A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530)" is admittedly a mouthful for this year's iPhones though. At the moment, I'm inquiring about how to label it on [[Firmware]] and such pages, but I'm sure the outcome can be adapted for key page titles as well. As for differences between the models, it seems to be the supported LTE bands. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I still think that unless it is "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" it will be complicated but on the other hand, I kind of like the idea that [[User:Http|http]] had, using the internal identifiers like this "iPhone 5 (n42ap)". The only problem is that it would cause quite a bit of a flood moving the key pages, although this can be done like 15 per day each or something. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'm pretty sure the only key page that exists for an A5 (or newer) device is [[Telluride 9A406 (iPhone 4S)]]. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That was an example. I know there are no more A5 pages, only the one you said and two beta for iPhone 4S. I just meant that it would show the design. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:36, November 21, 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals ==<br />
Since this discussion has become extremely lengthy, here are the proposals (to my understanding) for changing the labels, each of which can be subject to changes (i.e. dropping the word "Model" from Proposal A). In an effort to conserve space (ironically, this still adds a significant amount of length), I only included a few models, which should give an idea of the proposal. Basically anything with an A5 or newer is involved. Feel free to edit this list if I missed or totally misinterpreted something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
# Proposal A (A1XXX numbers)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1456/A1532)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)]]<br />
# Proposal B (A1XXX + FCC ID)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2644A)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2694X)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c BCG‑E2694X)]]<br />
# Proposal C (-AP Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p101ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p102ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p103ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n41ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n42ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n48ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n49ap)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 p101ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n42ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n49ap)]]<br />
# Proposal D (iPhoneX,Y Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,4)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,5)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,6)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,2)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,3)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,4)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad3,4)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,2)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,4)]]<br />
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:I like this [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (3,4)]] or [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (iPad3,4)]]. I see there are 4 ways to approach this;<br />
1. Change every single device.<br /><br />
2. Change just devices with different variants, iPad 2+, iPad mini+, iPhone 4, iPhone 5+.<br /><br />
3. Change A5+ only (which I hate the idea of).<br /><br />
4. Change nothing at all.<br /><br />
--[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::My intention for this was to be a ''neutral'' (i.e. opinion-free) spot where all of the proposals were being mentioned, so people could easily see the proposed changes without any bias… v.v --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 20:54, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::TBH, I think it is better as it is, but I just stated my opinion that only A5+ would make in inconsistent. Though you could argue it is already, that is down to Apple and furthermore, just A5+ would still not eliminate iPhone 4 (GSM, GSM Rev A or CDMA). --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:07, November 22, 2013 (UTC)}}<br />
:Do it like #4, and do them all. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 18:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::It will be a pain, but I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea as it would make it much much better in the end. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I would say A and B are impossible due to various numbers in the same model. I like C best. For variant C you could also leave away the "ap" at the end, because every model has that, so it would be even shorter. For D, that's simply longer names and these names are not used at many places, but I could live with that version as well. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
Taking into account everyone's thoughts on this, I think we'll probably go with option C. The wiki already uses the "-ap" identifiers for the model pages, and an identifier like "iPad3,4" may confuse someone into thinking it's a model of the [[iPad 3]]. (I would still like to use the A1XXX numbers since Apple does that, but nobody else seems to agree now…) I'll give this a few more days for any last words before acting on it. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It '''will''' get changed before the year ends. I don't know why your opinion keeps changing, but I have already explained the reason for changing it. You even agreed that it needs to be changed. I'm still open to suggestions on what to change it to though. Keep in mind that the change will affect not only key pages, but also how the devices will be referred to throughout the wiki. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I know it will. I said it is fine to change. I like bot #3 and #4. Only point I must make is that I feel we should change all devices with multiple variants, including iPad Air and iPhone 4. This way, it is consistent and also removes GSM etc altogether. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with Adam, if you're going to change some of them then change all of them. This includes iPods. Whatever the outcome, be consistent. As for the outcome itself, I really think we should just use device identifiers (iPhone2,1). That's what we're actually differentiating by, so it only makes sense to refer to devices by them. I don't think there would be any confusion, especially considering we'll keep the name of the device next to it regardless. Barring that, the next best option is ***ap. The other options don't make any sense considering modern devices. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 10:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea, though I do not mind if we do every device or just ones with multiple variants, as long as that included pre A5 (iPhone 4) too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals (cont.) ==<br />
So this entire discussion came up because we need to remove "GSM" from models, because there are many models nowadays where the non-GSM model or Global or whatever model, all support GSM. One suggestion was the FCC number, but I think we already agreed that this is out of discussion (only used within USA and nobody refers to this number). So we have to use either<br />
*The Axxxx number (like A1332 for the iPhone 4). This is how Apple identifies their devices.<br />
*The ap number (like n94ap or just short N94). This is the internal name and used in internal references, like in the [[iBEC]] or [[iBSS]] filenames within an [[IPSW]]. (This is also what iH8sn0w has on his stickers on the devices.)<br />
*The 1,2 number (like iPad1,1 for the iPad 1G). This identifier is used in the [[IPSW]] filenames.<br />
There are several issues with using one over the other:<br />
*Some devices (iPad 1G, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, iPhone 5s to be exact) have multiple Axxxx numbers for the same ap number/1,2 number. For example the iPad 1G: A1219 (WiFi model) and A1337 (GSM model) both have k48ap / iPad1,1. So only the Axxxx number could be used to replace the "GSM" identifier.<br />
*The iPhone 4 has for A1332 two ap numbers/1,2 numbers: A1332 stands for both n90ap/iPhone3,1 and also for n90bap/iPhone3,2.<br />
*The iPod touch 5G has the same 1,2 number for two ap numbers/Axxxx numbers: iPod5,1 stands for both A1421/n78ap and also for A1509/n78aap.<br />
I understand the point from [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] somehow that we should make it consistent and change it everywhere in the same manner. The question is where to change what. So where do we use these terms?<br />
*The biggest affected change would be the key pages, so any change there should be carefully considered. Currently we use something like: "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". So the discussion here is just about the change in the brackets. For the devices where no different hardware versions exist, I think the current naming is ok. So let's just continue using that. Only where different (sub-)devices exist for the same main model (like for the iPhone 5c) and they require a different firmware file, then we need to specify it. So we need to add something after the "iPhone 5c" to specify the difference. For older devices, we should leave it as it is, because it works very well there. For example the iPad 1G WiFi and GSM require different firmware, but can be differentiated that way. And we can't use the ap number, because both versions use k48ap, respectively iPad1,1. So I think we should leave the old devices as they are. For newer devices, like the iPhone 5c, there are only two variations for the firmware, but six different Axxxx numbers and we don't want to list all of them in the firmware name. We also cannot use "GSM" for the reason mentioned at the introduction. I would prefer to use the ap number there, but that yields to problems. In case of the iPod touch 5G, we have two models (A1421/n78ap and also A1509/n78aap). Fortunately both use the same firmware, so we don't have to specify anything. But if Apple would release an additional model that would require a different firmware, we would have to specify the name even here and we can't add a name like "n78ap+n78aap". The name iPod5,1 there seems to be the obvious choice, as it is contained in the ipsw name already, so it is unlikely that Apple will change that. The only question is the format then. My choice would be to keep it short, something like "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c [5,4])" instead of the current "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". We shouldn't repeat the word "iPhone" there. And we shouldn't remove the "5c" of the original name.<br />
*We also have some hardware lists, for example on the key pages titles where we list under iPad 2: Wi-Fi, GSM, CDMA, Wi-Fi (A). They link directly to our ap-pages, for example the "Wi-Fi (A)" name links to "k93aap". I think we don't need to change this. For the iPhone 5c, we have GSM and Global and they also link to the ap-pages. The link remains there, so we would only change the name. I suggest to use the same short name as in the key page extension, so something like my suggested "[5,4]" for example (instead of "GSM").<br />
*On the [[Models]] page, we have the column "Variant", which also lists "GSM" and "Global" etc. That would also need to change. I suggest to leave it for older devices where "GSM" is a valid differentiation. For newer devices we might list the bands it supports or something else.<br />
*On hardware pages, like [[iPhone]], we also have names and links in the title bar. For devices that have different sub-devices (like the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5/5c/5s) I suggest to rename the title names to the ap-names, as they link to the respective page. I would not change the title "iPhone 3G" to "N82ap" although it links there. So this change would only apply to sub-titles.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 00:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Include iPhone 4 in the change and use same format everywhere on the wiki. I agree that we do not need to change devices with only one variant such as iPhone 3GS. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: I agree on that. 3GS, 3G and the 1st iPhone are anyway devices where I do not see too many wiki-related changes in the future.--[[User:M2m|M2m]] ([[User talk:M2m|talk]]) 09:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I don't like how the abbreviated form of "iPad3,4" looks— I understand wanting to keep "iPad 4" in the name, but I can't come up with alternatives besides going with only the identifier. (Another issue is that MediaWiki's markup parser doesn't seem to like square brackets in links— I tried using <code><nowiki><nowiki /></nowiki></code>.) Having thought it over for a few days, I'm more receptive to changing all multi-variant devices (i.e. including the iPhone 4), but my concern about the Recent changes getting flooded with page moves still exists. The page moves should be done on "quiet" days, when the wiki doesn't see much activity. That being said, this is my understanding of the proposed changes. Does everyone agree with the following?<br />
:* On pages like [[iPhone]], the variant labels will be replaced with the identifier, e.g. iPhone3,1/iPhone3,2/iPhone3,3. (An exception will probably need to be made for the iPad1,1. The "Internal Name" row should also be modified because there will be duplicated information.)<br />
:* On [[Models]], the variant labels will be replaced with something else for the iPhone 5 and newer. (I feel like there are too many LTE bands to list in such a spot, but I don't have any better ideas.)<br />
:* On pages such as [[Firmware]] and [[Jailbreak]], labels will be changed to things like "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" and "iPad 4 (iPad3,4)." Single-variant devices like the Apple TV 2G will remain as-is.<br />
:* The key pages will be moved to a different title, to resemble the following.<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (AppleTV3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (Apple TV AppleTV3,1)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad2,4)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 2 iPad2,4)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)]]<br />
:** [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPod touch 5G)]]<br />
:Do let me know if I missed something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with your idea [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]], but make every page use iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) etc. Of course if pages use iPhone 4 (GSM) now, change that to iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) or iPhone 4 (3,1). I would suggest moving 10 pages per day for the iPhone 4 to avoid flooding. I do not want some pages to include the AP identifier and some others iPhone3,1 for example. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Several comments:<br />
*The square brackets were just an idea, nothing agreed on that yet. And yes, let's forget this idea if it has problems with MediaWiki.<br />
*The beginning of the name should remain, otherwise we're getting inconsistent with other pages. I agree with [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] on this. To keep it short, my favorite would be something like "iPhone 4 (3,1)" then. But to make it more clear, "iPhone4 (iPhone3,1)" is also ok to me. If you wanted to leave the first part away and just use "iPhone3,1", then we would have to rename ALL pages (that's also an option).<br />
*Regarding flooding, I prefer that we do all changes at once, at an agreed date/time, done by [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. Maybe in two steps: first step to change the few hardware pages plus one page of each device of the key pages. In the second step the rest. This would ensure that any misunderstandings get catched in the first step, before all pages are renamed. I don't like to have 20 edits per day that I have to go through. Better all at once, but only after agreement of all.<br />
*Yes, we can do iPhone 4 too, if that't the only missing one. It was a misunderstanding on my part for iPad GSM/WiFi, as this doesn't have different firmwares (only on hardware pages needed).<br />
*Regarding the proposed listing of the bands on the [[Models]] page, Variant column, we could only list the bands that are different to make it short.<br />
<br />
Can we list here what pages would be affected by the changes? Feel free to edit this list here within my comment. Here's what I have in mind:<br />
*[[Models]]<br />
*[[Apple TV]], [[iPad]], [[iPad mini]], [[iPhone]], [[iPod touch]]<br />
*[[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*[[Firmware]], [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
*[[Jailbreak]]<br />
*[[Application Processor]]<br />
*[[Main Page]] - for Application Processors and Baseband Devices.<br />
*[[:Category:Baseband]] - some pages state models and also the baseband devices, such as [[MDM6600]].<br />
*[[Template:Keys]]<br />
*[[P0sixspwn]]<br />
*[[:Timeline]]<br />
*[[SHSH]]<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (like [[Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 GSM)]]), total 69 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (A) (like [[InnsbruckVailPrime 11A4372q (iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)]]), total 21 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 CDMA (like [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 CDMA)]]), total 50 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5c and 5s (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 Wi-Fi)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 GSM (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 GSM)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 CDMA (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 CDMA)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi Rev A (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 CDMA (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
The key pages would get moved without redirect and all references updated. The references should also be in this list above. Add it to the list if I forgot anything.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 15:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that is fine. I said the 10 a day to avoid a big flood, but I do not mind either way. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:13, January 1, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Looks good. I amended the list to include the iPads as well. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So most of you seem to agree on the the generic change now. But what is missing is the exact naming. We have three variations still in discussion:<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 3,1"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 iPhone3,1"<br />
:::::I just noticed that we cannot use the round brackets, because this entire part is already enclosed in round brackets - otherwise we would have nested brackets and in grammar I think you have to use square brackets which are not allowed in MediaWiki. So this leaves us with #3 and #4. #3 looks silly without the brackets, so we probably have to use #4 as [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] suggested. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree with #4, looks better as I feel that #3 needs some sort of brackets if we used that. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]])<br />
::::::Wow, time really flies when you sleep all day. I've missed a ''lot''. Ok. I'm happy we decided to use the firmware moniker instead of something else. Personally, I don't like #1 because it just looks weird IMO. In addition, #1 and #2 would require the use of brackets (<code>(iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>) which would require the use of <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code> all over the place, and that will get not only ugly, but annoying. I agree #3 looks weird. However, #4 just looks redundent. I personally would like just <code>iPhone3,1</code>, but if I would have to put my vote on one of those last two, it would be #4. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 08:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::One last comment: We could also just use "iPhone3,1" (leaving the leading "iPhone 4" completely away). That would have two advantages and two disadvantages:<br />
:::::::*+ shorter<br />
:::::::*+ future-proof; if we ever decide to rename the rest as well, this is the way to name it<br />
:::::::*- somehow inconsistent with non-ambiguous other key pages (although ambiguous and non-ambiguous pages are different now anyway)<br />
:::::::*- less easy to understand from the name what device it is (but the iOS version is also not directly visible)<br />
:::::::--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 11:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::To me, that makes it worse. Why can we not use the rounded "()" brackets? I mean, it will only be duplicated in the key page urls, in which if it must be, just do "iPhone 4 iPhone3,1". Does not seem too bad to me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::We ''don't want to'' use parenthesis because then we get double parenthesis (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 (3,1))</code>). We would have to use braces (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>), but MediaWiki chokes when there's braces in a link unless you use <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code>; and that would mean ''everywhere'' there's a firmware link. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That ''is'' what I suggested in my reply... As for your first disadvantage, it only applies to the iPads where Apple has gotten confusing. Actually, now that I think of that, option #4 above does look nice. However, I still don't like the redundency of having <code>iPhone</code> in there twice. And as I said before, options #1 and #3 just look weird. So we're stuck at either redundency or looking weird. But then again, it wouldn't be redundent for the non-existent iPad key page links where Apple decided to be annoying with their firmware monikers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Could we not just use the parenthesis but just not in the key page URL's? I mean, "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" but in the urls for key pages, <code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone_4_iPhone3,1)</code>? That seems fine here. The underscores are currently there anyway. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::This seems fine to me… Well, aside from the underscores. Other than that, we're actually already doing the same thing until the changes are implemented. (Key pages say "(iPhone 4 GSM)" while other parts of the wiki say "iPhone 4 (GSM model).") --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I think that "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" does look the nicest, and I don't really feel like it's redundant. I also like the idea of just saying 'iPhone3,1'. If either of those options doesn't work, it might be good to do something like "iPhone 4; iPhone3,1" or "iPhone 4 | iPhone3,1".--[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::The underscores were stated due to the key page URL's use that. I did not mean use that throughout. Was just to give an example, [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:16, January 2, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::So we have to decide between<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)" (name on link could be "Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [iPhone3,1])" or whatever fits best in the context)<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
::::::::::I would prefer #2 (for advantages/disadvantages see list above), but could also live with the other one. Votes? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:06, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I would prefer #1 because it would be more consistent. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Count my vote for #2. I could go either way, but option #2 looks nicer. But just to double-check (yet again), we ''are'' using "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" in places like [[Firmware]]'s headings, right? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Headings/titles/links: we didn't decide on that, but I think we can put whatever fits best in the context of a page. So that's a 'yes'. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::This has been completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Key page template ==<br />
I actually like the idea of a database to an extent. I bet I could put together an extension that creates a [[Special:SpecialPages|special page]] that allows read access to everyone (and r/w access to users). Any edits to the key "pages" wouldn't cause a [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] log. If we ever needed to update the layout, we would just need to update the extension. We could even have an API.<br />
The only limitation is that updates to the extension would require either [[User:geohot|George]] or [[User:Dialexio|Alex]] needing to upload the fix. If we were to set up an external site, then all links to it would need to be wrapped with <code>&lt;span class="plainlinks"&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;</code>.<br />
Maybe a simple extension that takes links and redirects you to the external site? That could work. Like, we would have a link to, say, <code>[[<nowiki/>Special:Keys/iPad1,1/9A405]]</code> which would give an HTTP <code>301 Moved Permanently</code> header to, say, <code><nowiki>http://ioskeys.com/iPad1,1/9A405</nowiki></code>. Granted, someone would have to pay for the domain, but it would solve this problem. I may be able to pay for the domain if I make enough money by the time I finish writing everything. Any opposition? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 16:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like the idea. I like the idea of the database to a degree, but I think that the pages should remain on this wiki. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:03, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see this solving any problem— the backlash against changing the key page template was because of (unnecessary?) changes to the arguments, and the frequency of how often such changes were being proposed/applied. How would a database prevent it? For instance, let's say the database columns are all decided on. Suddenly, it's decided that SHA-1 hashes should be added as well, or perhaps "VFDecryptKey" will be renamed to "FSKey." People submitting keys would still be bothered with having to adjust for those changes. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That with the database is something I'll implement anyway (if not someone else is faster, as I'm quite busy). I just threw that in here as it might solve the problem of the frequent template updates (which is/was wrong anyway). From there it would be easy to create the VFDecrypt page with an overview link or lists of missing keys and that stuff, so the wiki would not need any direct links. But it would mean that we either completely remove all keys here from the wiki and embrace that solution or have them still duplicate (which then doesn't solve the problem). Dialexio: renaming columns can be handled without interface changes, but that's another topic. So let's forget about this database thing for now and we can discuss again when I have something. We certainly don't want to add extensions for that. So back to the discussion about the renaming: If I understood this correctly, you only want to rename A5+ devices and therefore no key pages would be affected. Is my understanding correct? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::As long as the pages stay on this wiki, I do not mind. Although, a database could be pointless as with only 50 more pages to edit for the new format, there is no planned new format/changes again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::About the renaming, that is correct; I'm only interested in changing the cellular labels on A5/+ devices. (Well, the iPad 2 can remain as-is.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh, well that would just make things more complicated/inconsistent. We should do all or none. About the template idea, there is also no need as it is not likely we will change the format again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::::Do we really need to CHANGE THE FORMAT 50 TIMES IN A ROW? The old one before everything was messed with worked fine enough. [[User:Winocm|Winocm]] ([[User talk:Winocm|talk]]) 18:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It was actually one change, which was completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Login prompt revision suggestion==<br />
I wrote a suggestion here: [[MediaWiki talk:Loginprompt]] (since I don't have permission to edit [[MediaWiki:Loginprompt]] directly) - I'd be interested in whether it sounds like a good idea to other people. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 01:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Homepage suggestions==<br />
Under "Application Development", what about linking to [http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page iPhoneDevWiki]? It's also a community-edited technical resource, and it links to this wiki. It could be helpful to add a little more detail to "Get [[up to speed]] in the community.", like this: "Get [[up to speed]] in the community - learn about how jailbreaks work." Under "Definitions", it could be helpful to list all the firmware tags in one line or sub-list, similar to how Jailbreak is organized next to Tethered jailbreak and Untethered jailbreak, both to save space and help readers understand the list. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 23:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:A link to the iPhoneDevWiki sounds good. I wonder if we should have an "External Links" or "Other Resources" section to include links to other sites (such as the [http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ iPhone Dev Team blog]) though. As for the "Up to Speed" page, I feel like the entire page could be reworked a bit— and perhaps even receive a new, clearer name ([[Introduction]]? [[Preface]]? Or something else?)— the current name makes it sound like it's for people that last paid attention to jailbreaking when the App Store didn't exist. And yeah, moving the IMG3 tags to a sub-list sounds like a really good idea. (Admittedly, I actually don't care for its inclusion in the first place, but that's just a personal preference.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
::There's already [[Useful Links]] with some links to other core community resources (which could be updated and rearranged) - I was just thinking that it'd be especially useful to link to iPhoneDevWiki prominently since it's likely for TheiPhoneWiki visitors to also be interested in relatively-organized technical information about development. Changing the name of "Up to Speed" sounds fine to me too - that page didn't get much attention since 2008 until I sort of commandeered it to serve as an "intro to jailbreaking" page. :) It could be renamed "getting started", as in "how to get started on learning about research into iOS devices, especially security research (such as jailbreaks)". [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
Also I'd love to see a dedicated section for "Good tasks for new editors", where we could maintain a list of relatively easy/straightforward suggested edits that wouldn't require vast technical knowledge, like updating that links page. Where would that go? Add it as a sub-section of [[The iPhone Wiki:Current events]] and link that section from the homepage or something? Or make a new page? [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==What is 0x5265c384 in the boot process?==<br />
Does anybody know where <code>0x5265c384</code> points to in the boot process? I haven't been able to find anything on it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 20:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==License for contributions==<br />
This wiki has never had an official license for contributions. Now, IANAL, but IIRC, this means that you can't use ''anything'' posted here unless it qualifies as fair-use. What I propose is that we set a license and add a notice that states that any contributions after a set date are to be licensed under that license (that's kindof a mouthful). I think we should use the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-by-SA 3.0] as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|Wikipedia uses it]], but that's just me. Any ideas? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 19:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the edit info already says all this:<br />
Please note that all contributions to The iPhone Wiki may be edited, altered, or<br />
removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly,<br />
then do not submit it here.<br />
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public<br />
domain or similar free resource (see The [[:The iPhone Wiki:Copyrights|iPhone Wiki:Copyrights]] for details). '''Do not'''<br />
'''submit copyrighted work without permission!'''<br />
For me, that's enough. I don't need a 50 page license. But if you want to formalize this more, go ahead. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds good. It's good practice to have an official license, just in case any disputes happen someday, and to ensure that it's OK to copy text over to Wikipedia (for example). [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Banner Replacement?==<br />
I kinda feel like the banner on the front page is getting a little stale, so I'm interested in seeing it replaced. I tossed a proposal [https://twitter.com/Draxelf/status/408295008794845184 on Twitter] a couple of days ago (which is admittedly plain, but Myriad Set…), but I haven't heard any opinions on replacing the banner. Are there any thoughts on this matter? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Or, [http://imgur.com/wJFqPl1 this]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Looks nice in Myriad! More professional. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 04:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Date Format==<br />
I see that [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] started to unify the date formats in this wiki. While I like this to be consistent, actually we should've talked about what format to use before changing it. I like the d_mon_yyyy format though. I also saw that he removed the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> between the date parts on the [[iFaith]] page that I added once purposefully. The reason was that when making the browser window small (or on the iPhone) that the date wraps to two lines, which is almost always undesired. The question is if we should do that everywhere too? Additionally, as we now seem to have a "standard" here, we should document it, so that new users know what format to use. -- [[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 17:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I just made it consistent. If you want the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> back, feel free to add it. I removed it as it did nothing (previewing on OS X). We should use the format I used throughout the wiki and not Dec 23, 2013 etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::<code>&amp;nbsp;</code> stands for "'''n'''on-'''b'''reaking '''sp'''ace". It is essentially a space, but with a property that prevents word wrap from occurring between the two words it's between. Look at [[Firmware Keys]] on a small enough screen (1024 across should do it). Your browser should preserve the space between the date "words". Now, go into the edit page and remove the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> from everything in one table. Your browser will now word wrap the date "words". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:What I actually want to do is use <code>{{[[Template:Start date|start date]]}}</code> instead of plain dates in areas where dates are used as a statistic; for example, [[Firmware]], [[Firmware Keys]], [[SHSH]], [[Timeline]], etc. Places where dates are used to record when something happened, for example on [[evasi0n7]], "On 28 December 2013...", should use the date flat out in the source. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Template documentation ==<br />
Whenever using templates that are copied here from Wikipedia, I almost always forget the parameters of the template. I then have to open Wikipedia and search for the template. What I want to do it copy the template documentation from Wikipedia here. To work around the licensing issue, we can create our own template that you would include at the bottom of the copied documentation that says the documentation comes from Wikipedia (because Wikipedia uses [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|CC-BY-SA 3.0]] which says our copied text must be under CC-BY-SA 3.0 ''and'' attribute Wikipedia and her editors. I can write the text for license template. Any ideas? Any opposition? If not, I'll begin in a few days. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I don't see why not. That's what I've seen done on other wikis. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Mainpage "iPhone Hackers" List ==<br />
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I think the "iPhone Hackers" List of the mainpage needs to be updated. Here are some people that need adding:<br />
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*[[Pimskeks]]<br />
*[[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
*[[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
*SquiffyPwn<br />
*[[i0n1c]]<br />
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Are there any others you can think of? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the list except I do not think that SquiffyPwn has done anything huge, except help with [[p0sixspwn]] and i0n1c shouldn't be added. Just my opinions. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: [[User:ph0enix|Me]], [[User:5urd|5urd]] and [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]] have definitely earned our keep refer to http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 02:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree, you are not that well know, like pimskeks etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I agree with iAdam1n. You are not known enough. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::Are you kidding me?? we have worked with many "well known" hackers and are in constant communication with people like p0sixninja! this is a joke we dont have to be "well known" to be influential hackers who not to mention have been running support and hacking in the community for 4 almost 5 years! --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::Support does not count. I am sticking with my original decision. AFAIK, you released no jailbreaks or found any new exploits, not as well know as the main hackers. Feel free to share what you have found/made if you want and also you can see what others say. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::are you kidding me!! http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html that is the reason i have high quality followers like posixninja and nitotv just because you guys are too young in the community to know about our major help to the community doesnt mean we are it is a closed sourced exploit but very functional and based off of redsn0w that implements our exploit now if you wanna get your thumb out of your buts and pay attention it would be great --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Why is this being brought up again? The answer was no before, and it's going to remain no for the reasons http stated before. I should add that who follows who on Twitter doesn't really mean anything— I have nitoTV, chronic, iH8sn0w, and winocm as followers, but that doesn't mean [https://twitter.com/Dialexio/status/376801384752222208 this] was a legitimate jailbreak by any means. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: Jeez idk maybe because we RELEASED A WORKING TOOL AND KEEP BEING BLOWN OFF BY INFERIOR ASS HOLES WHO REFUSE TO ADMIT IT! when you create a tool then challenge it till then we should be put on the list for discovering and implementing a previously unknown userland exploit and building a tool to ease the process... --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Your insults aren't helping your credibility. Just saying. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: well if i wouldn't have to have been asking for so long then i wouldn't be so upset my credibility is there whether you choose to ignore it or not is up to you. our tool is a working tool and we discovered and implemented a exploit that should be grounds for our names to be on the list,and the followers point is that we may not be well known but the people who follow us are legit people. quality over quantity. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::And now, your arguing with the administration. The answer is no. End of. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 09:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Coming back to this old discussion, the decision at that time was to not even include iH8sn0w there, so I don't see a reason to include much lesser known people. For the overview list, we already have the [[:Category:Hackers]]. The main page is just for the 5-10 currently most important people. Regarding names, there should be a wide consensus of the people listed. If you ask me today, I'd comment like this:<br />
:*i0n1c is not working on public jailbreaks, so don't include<br />
:*geohot has retired from the scene, he could get removed, but as founder of this wiki and best contributor to the scene of all time, better leave him there<br />
:*winocm new shooting star, could get added<br />
:*iH8sn0w could get added with all the tools created<br />
:*all others I would not add or only added to category mentioned above<br />
:Remember that the list should be really short, so adding anyone would most probably mean to remove someone less important. Also, number of followers on Twitter doesn't mean anything; all these people follow me too and I wouldn't claim to be that important. This shouldn't discourage anybody not on this main page to continue his/her work. If this is causing these feelings, I think we should remove the list there entirely. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks [[User:Http|http]] I feel like in that case their should be a new category made for the people who have worked very hard but by those standards do not fit in that category, something like security researchers for the people who are doing a lot of behind the scenes work and certainly deserve some recognition somewhere on here. Just a thought though. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
== Category Security Researchers==<br />
Hi all! i've created the category Security Researchers in order to cut down on the pages categorized as hackers as it apparently needs to be more exclusive. i've been adding the less known or inactive hackers from the hacker page but have not removed them from the hackers page. I feel that it should be a vote on who gets removed from the hackers page so my first suggestion is [[User:Fallensn0w]] as he has been inactive for a very long time and didn't do a lot in the first place. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 15:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing old/broken download links ==<br />
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I have noticed on pages like [[evasi0n]] and [[p0sixspwn]] that some of the dwonlaod links no longer work because the developers have taken the revision of the software down. Rather than leave them there, I suggest we replace the links with ones that can be accessed (such as with ones in my MEGA). For example, version 1.0 of [[evasi0n]] was taken down from MEGA and no longer exists. However, I have version 1.0 saved in my MEGA Drive so I could replace the broken links with ones to downloads in my MEGA Drive. What do you guys think of this? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 10:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like this idea as it breaks copyright. We normally just put a line through with <code>style="text-decoration: line-through;"</code>. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I know but I think that people should still be able to download the old versions. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 11:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree. Except for [[evasi0n7]], latest versions work best and with evasi0n7, all links work. We do not want unofficial links because of copyright. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::This contradicts your actions a bit— I've never seen official MEGA links for newer releases of evasi0n7, yet you filled it in for some of them. But I digress… In all honesty, I wouldn't mind, as long as no copyrights are violated. There should be some sort of distinction that it's not an official link though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::The MEGA links that I have added myself have been from evasi0n.com with "view source" in a browser. The earlier releases, [[User:5urd|5urd]] added them so I don't know about those. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 07:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::To be honest, it is only violating copyright if the jailbreak tools cost money. Since they are free, it is not violating copyright. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Copyright laws are '''always''' in place, regardless of how much something costs, unless the creator waives their copyrights. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So, should I go ahead a do it? I could put a warning triangle symbol before it so that it is shown to be an unofficial link. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I say no. On JailbreakQA, one moderator was told by MuscleNerd to remove a hosted version that included the edit for 7.0.6 before evasi0n7 1.0.7 was released. There is no need for older versions since the latest works, with the exception of evasi0n7 1.0.8 but 1.0.7 links are still valid. I strongly disagree to add this. Also it should have at least a week on discussion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::That sounds more like MuscleNerd not wanting tampered copies of evasi0n7 to float around. That being said, I don't know whether he or the rest of the evad3rs would be fine with rehosting untouched copies of their files though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== geeksn0w ==<br />
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I think we should make a page for geeksn0w. It is a jailbreak tool used by a significant amount of users who have iPhone 4's. I don't see why there isn't a page already. What do you guys think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I personally like the idea. I would at least like to see it added to [[iPhone 4]] on [[Jailbreak|the jailbreak page]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Exactly, we should add it to the [[Jailbreak]] page and create a page on it. What do you think of creating a page for the developer/hacker, BlackGeekTutorial? He is just about to start working on [[iFaith]] for iOS 7.<br />
:::Personally, we don't need a page on him I don't think until he has made a lot. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::On the page, I am thinking of having download links to previous versions (in my MEGA drive) since BlackGeek doesn't give out other links. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think we should only use official links but thats just me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:56, 25 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I know we should use official links, but BlackGeek doesn't keep the links active. Also, he doesn't use MEGA. He just hosts it in the portfolio for his website. But he uses Adfly links to host them too. Do we really want Adfly links here? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 12:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If that is the official link, I would say yes. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:11, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cyberelevat0r ==<br />
I think we should make a page for Cyberelevat0r (i0n1c's 7.1.x Untethered Jailbreak). There is multiple proof that he might release it and we can fill it with information about all other hackers that have 7.1.x untethered jailbreaks as well. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
:No. If (and it's a massive if) it gets released, then ok. Not until. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 08:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Email notifications? ==<br />
Is it possible to get emailed when a watchlist page changes? I'd love that feature. [[wikipedia:mw:Manual:Configuration settings#Email notification (Enotif) settings|This looks relevant]]. --[[User:Beej|beej]] ([[User talk:Beej|talk]]) 08:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Ambiguous names ==<br />
I feel like the names for [[Symlinks]] and [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] is a bit too ambiguous. Now, I don't anticipate there being much confusion, particularly since nobody really cares about 1.x anymore, but I would like to make the distinction clearer. I think both articles should be renamed, but I have no idea on what to rename them to (or even if you guys approve). I thought of using the CVE ID, but Apple doesn't provide one for [[Symlinks]] (or even any indication that they fixed it). ([[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] was assigned CVE-2013-5133.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:They are referred to as the Symbolic Link by people like MuscleNerd and iH8sn0w so, in my opinion, they should be kept as their current names. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 18:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I don't mind if one of them keeps their current name, but there should be something to make the distinction clearer. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 01:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== IRC Channel on Freenode ==<br />
Howdy iphonewiki folks, I have #theiphonewiki registered on freenode, and am ready to have people come in (it's been ages since this idea has been brought up). Shall we open it? I'd like to get some ops in there to help out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 05:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should make an IRC channel for this wiki. It can be either #theiphonewiki or #iphonewiki on freenode. The channel would be used for discussions, such as the TLC of the Jailbreak page for example. It would make getting things sorted a lot easier, since we could just ping each other different ideas. I know this idea was made before, but the channel never really got anywhere. What do you guys think of this idea? We would need to decide who has founder, op and voice etc. on the channel here. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 06:58, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: This is idiotic. You just want to do it yourself cause you want power. We won't help you feed your ego. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: You have never edited on this wiki in your life before so STFU. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: Being that I own #theiphonewiki, the original channel in which the wiki's channel was going to be on, I have control over who's moderating the channel. One op will be me, I have 3+ years of IRC moderation experience (To be honest, Is this even CV worthy? :P) we can choose the other operators when the channel becomes somewhat popular. ps. Why make two topics for this? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: That most definitely is CV worthy. I've seen Spydar007 moderate a channel, it crashed in a week or so. Not to mention the channel wasn't even his, and he kinda took it over anyway. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::No, no, no. The community decides. Juts because Farahtwiggy asked you to register it before, doesn't mean you get to be an op there now. This was my idea (Dialexio can vouch). You have no control over who are ops there. {{unsigned|Spydar007|04:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)}}<br />
::: One "no" is enough. Farah, really, doesn't have much (if anything) to do with this, the channel was registered a year ago. Your childish response above does not show me that you can handle owning the channel, nor do the rumors of you abusing channel control in your personal channel. It's really not your idea, it may have just now come to your mind, but adaminsull and I have gone through this whole deal before (one year ago). Join me on #theiphonewiki if you'd like to chat this out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I don't know what's happening off of the wiki so I might only have part of the picture. I definitely don't see Haifisch as trying to steal credit for this idea, which actually was brought up about ages ago. I'm not much of an IRC guy, so my opinion might not have that much weight for a lot of this discussion, but I feel that the channel would be better in Haifisch's hands given his experience. Ownership/management/whatever for the IRC channel should certainly be open for discussion though. I really don't care too much about whoever gets to run it, as long as the person is someone that the community knows, respects, and trusts. (Same goes for the channel ops.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It does not sound like a good idea to have an IRC channel for this wiki. It is useful for discussion of this wiki's articles to continue to be be done publicly on the wiki (on the appropriate talk pages), so that everyone interested in the wiki can easily contribute to the discussion, and so that there is a well-organized public record of discussions that we can all easily refer to. IRC channels are also very fertile breeding grounds for social conflicts and unhappiness (as we've seen already), which is helpful to skip. In any case, this should be discussed at [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal]] instead of here - this page is for discussing modifications to the Main Page, and that one is for general discussions about TheiPhoneWiki. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving to Canada ==<br />
I'm moving this server in the next few days to a quality server in Canada. It'll be running inside a VM, so I'll also look into giving admins more access. Hopefully the periodic outages will stop. Maybe I'll add some SSL certs. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]])<br />
:Nice, thanks! HTTPS would be great. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
::So we're not in canada yet?--[[User:Awesomebing1|Awesomebing1]] ([[User talk:Awesomebing1|talk]]) 20:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
You should all be in Canada now, with 8GB of Canadian RAM. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:26, 2 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
:And we also have https://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/Main_Page, though it avoids the squid proxy. It's fine for people making edits but I don't plan on changing the default anytime soon. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=42012The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2014-09-02T04:42:57Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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==iPhone-Elite==<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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==Boot-args cleanup==<br />
We need to clean up the boot-args pages. First the technical part: What I understand is that iBoot loads the kernel. And when loading it, it can pass some parameters to select certain behavior. So this only works with an iBoot or bootrom exploit. I understand that in earlier firmware versions there was simply an iBoot variable, but that doesn't exist or work anymore, now passing theses args requires a different or patched iBoot. There are various parameters in different kernel versions. The description for these arguments is scattered over various places:<br />
*[[Kernel#Boot-Args]] A section with the latest boot arguments list. This should be a short introduction and having a link "main article".<br />
*[[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] separate page for boot arguments, but mainly for the iBoot variable that doesn't exist any longer<br />
*[{{FULLURL:Boot arguments|redirect=no}} Boot arguments] (redirect)<br />
*[[:Talk:Restore_Mode]] describing the iBoot variable problem<br />
*Various pages referencing boot-args, like [[Research: Re-allowing unsigned ramdisks and boot-args with the 2.* iBoot]] (here we should have a link on the second title)<br />
*My earlier comment [[:Talk:Kernel#boot-args]]<br />
*This comment here.<br />
So what do we want to do about this mess? I suggest to move the current [[Kernel]] content to the redirect page [[Boot arguments]] (or to another new page, maybe [[boot-args]]). The current content of [[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] and all other content should get merged into there. Then change all references to this new page and on the [[Kernel]] page write just something short with "main article there". What do you think? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 21:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I like [[Boot Arguments]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 02:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::One addition: Maybe we should use [[boot-args]] as the main page, because all links are written like that. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 07:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==The iPhone Wiki re-design==<br />
The design of the iPhone wiki is now quite old and I think it should be updated. I made a [http://oi42.tinypic.com/30ib9y8.jpg concept]. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I disagree. If anything add an iPhone 5 to the logo but everything else is ok. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I wouldn't change the logo to an iPhone 5, especially with iOS 7 and a new iPhone (that will probably look the same as the 5, admittedly) around the corner. I contemplated updating the CSS for iOS 7's UI but decided not to because of the UI's supposed volatility (during the beta period) and I don't have a live version to toy around with. (I personally don't like its current state, but that's not a factor in why I'm not changing it yet.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Can we not do flat? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 21:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::This is what I was thinking. When iOS 7 finally comes out, we could change the CSS to look like that instead. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::iOS 7 looks ugly. We do not want it like that. Maybe a bit more modern but nothing much. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::''You'' may not want it like that. That's your opinion. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::We could make a poll, and see if most users agree or disagree. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:The idea looks nice. But before we make any changes, let's wait until iOS7 comes out. And I'd prefer to just add another skin instead (if possible). I'm still using the classic MonoBook skin by the way. You shouldn't impose design changes to everyone. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::The problem with skins is that geohot needs to set them up... An idea I have is that we copy the Vector skin verbatim to a new skin (<code>iOS6</code>) and move the modifications (not general stuff) to [[Mediawiki:iOS6.css]]. Then we can do another verbatim copy to <code>iOS7</code> and modify [[Mediawiki:iOS7.css]]. We could then set the default skin to either <code>iOS6</code> or <code>iOS7</code> so you don't need to be logged in to see them like currently. Then if someone doesn't like them, like you, just change your settings to your preferred skin. The only way around needing geohot is if he opens up the credentials to FTP or whatever to someone. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:5urd|5urd]]'s suggestion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:29, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
What about just removing the text-shadow element for now? I think pages would be easier to read without it. Here's an example: [[:File:Noshadow.png]]. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah removing the shadow will make everything seem more flat but like [[User:http|http]] I'm still using the classic [http://theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=monobook MonoBook skin] --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 21:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Hacker page==<br />
I would like to be added to the list of hackers for my work with the Private Dev Team and the [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev Team]] in addition to my release of the Phoenix Semi-Untethered. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Did you find any exploits? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 18:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::No. [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]], a team member found the vulnerability. I am the one who exploited it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]])<br />
:::I can back up this "claim". I was a part of it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Whatever happened to this? --[[User:Phyrrus9|phyrrus9]]<br />
:::::So this went cold and i am going to again request that this change be made. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm gonna say no. I don't see any notable accomplishments to merit this. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 21:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::'''No'''. The first step would be to get to the category [[:Category:Hackers|hackers]]. You can get there by finding a vulnerability that is used with an exploit in a jailbreak - or by writing a new exploit. Remember that it's not allowed to add yourself to that category. Instead of finding a vulnerability you could also be member of either The [[iPhone Dev Team]] or [[Chronic Dev]] or [[evad3rs]]. After being in that category, the next step would be that you're famous enough from all those hackers there to get to the main page. The people chosen are discussed here. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Orphaned articles==<br />
This is an interesting search: [[Special:LonelyPages]] - "The following pages are not linked from or transcluded into other pages in The iPhone Wiki." I'm not sure where all of those articles should be linked, but figuring that out could be a useful project for somebody. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 05:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Easy tasks for new editors==<br />
* Finish converting the remaining error codes listed here [[MobileDevice_Library#Known_Error_Codes]] into the proper mach_return_t codes they should be displayed as. (convert the negative number listed into hex, strip any leading "FF" so it should be in the format "0xe80000" followed by two numbers) --[[User:Dirkg|Dirkg]] ([[User talk:Dirkg|talk]]) 22:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A1XXX model numbers vs. "GSM"/"CDMA"/"Global"/"Cellular"/etc. ==<br />
I know that this topic was [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal/2013#iPhone 5|already discussed earlier this year]], but it didn't seem to come to a consensus, and the introduction of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] brought a lot of model numbers. Some of them may "overlap" (think models A1429 and A1442 for the [[iPhone 5]]), but there's simply too many to give names to. There are at least two that can connect to CDMA networks, and all of them can connect to GSM. In addition, with the sheer amount of models, it doesn't seem likely for one model to be treated as a "global" model. Therefore, I changed the iPhone 5c to use model numbers. I would like to do the same to some of the devices that are already present on the wiki though— the same ones from when I first brought up this idea. The GSM/CDMA names work very well for the [[iPad 2]] and [[iPhone 4]]. Things are slightly murkier for the [[iPad 3|iPad (3rd gen.)]], [[iPad 4|iPad (4th gen.)]], [[iPad mini 1G]], and [[iPhone 5]] though; all of those devices' cellular models can connect to GSM networks, so it seems like nonsense to call some of them the "GSM model." The A1XXX model numbers are also how Apple tells the difference between the different models of these devices. Have any opinions changed? Or perhaps someone new might have something to say about this? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 06:06, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I actually like the idea as it does get complicated now with the new devices coming like said and we would have to do this for all devices. Although, if we did this, we would have to move all the key pages that have keys on to support this. That would not be a big problem as we could limit the moves to say 20 per day. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I suggest we wait a bit until we see what models of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] will exist. But in general, I like the idea of using only the A1nnn numbers. The only issue I see right now is that Apple differentiates between A1532 GSM and A1532 CDMA. If there are real hardware differences between these two, then we're screwed again. That's why I suggest to wait until we know these exact model types. On the disambiguation page I added the GSM/CDMA model differentiation already (as Apple does). If they turn out to be the same, we can remove it again, but I wonder why Apple lists two models (with different bands supported) there now. Someone also added the "CDMA" mark to one of the others, but that's not how Apple marks them, so I suggest to remove that mark there again. If everything can be differentiated by these A-model-numbers, then yes, we should change the old pages too. Including all key pages. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:44, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do know there are 2 CDMA and 3-4 GSM for the [[iPhone 5c]] alone. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ahem… ''All'' of the iPhone 5c models can do GSM communications. Hence one of the reasons why I want to ditch the "GSM"/"Global"/etc. labels in favor of A1XXX model numbers. ;P --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::One thing is, what about iPod touch 5 as that has two model numbers that are the same device, same with iPhone5,2. How would we get around that? I suppose we could like both separated with a forward slash. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah, we could just use something like "[[n42ap|iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)]]." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 22:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yeah I thought that but what about the iPhone 4 GSM and GSM Rev A? They both seem to be A1432. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:10, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::This is why I'm against using the A1XXX model numbers instead of the current GSM/Global thing. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I had no plans to change the way we refer to the iPhone 4 or iPad 2 (Apple does use GSM/CDMA, and for those devices it works fine). If a new iPhone 5S revision comes along, Apple will probably refer to it as a "Rev A" thing, and so will we. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Referencing Adam's reply above, if we had took that to the key pages, it'd be <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432)]]</code> which would mess ''everything'' up. What could we do? Use <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432 Rev A)]]</code>? No. That doesn't look good. The current way of referring to everything by their supported network type (GSM/CDMA/Global) helps in going to a different page.<br />
:Let's say I'm on [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 GSM)]] and I want to go the CDMA device. What do I do? Go to the URL and replace <code>GSM</code> with <code>CDMA</code>. With the model numbers, I'd have to navigate to [[Firmware]], then find the link, or find out what the model number of the CDMA variant is and replace the model number in the URL with that.<br /><br />
:Ok, who navigates by the URL and search bar? ''I do''. And I'm sure there's '''many''' people out there that prefer to navigate with the search bar if they know the page name. If we go by model number, the AJAX search results just list pages with a model number in parenthesis. '''How does that help'''? I'd either have to ''know'' the model number of the device I want, or visit ''each one'' until I find the page I need.<br />
:Sorry for the rant, but I am '''strongly''' against this. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do suppose we could just trash the buildtrain all together to shorten it down too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Dropping the Build Train would only ''increase'' the workload. Besides, what's the harm with it? We've been using the same page title structure since forever, and it's worked. "''If it ain't broke, don't fix it''". The current system works, so ''why'', other than the fact that Apple refers to them differently, should we change this? In addition, we don't refer to everything the way Apple does. The [[iPad mini 1G]] is referred to as the "iPad mini". The [[iPad 3]] is refered to as "The New iPad". The [[iPad 4]] is refered to as "iPad with Retina Display"<sup class="plainlinks">[http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/]</sup>. Are the key pages titled <code>BrightonMaps 10B329 (The New iPad, Wi-Fi+3G for AT&T and Verizon)</code>? No. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::But the reason we want to not use the variants is because the new devices that are coming out are breaking he structure and also CDMA versions can use GSM in the 5c plus we have like 4 for GSM alone. I only meant drop buildtrain to shorten the urls down. For the iPhone 4 GSM Rev A we would have to list it as <code>iPhone 4 A1432 Rev</code> unless another idea is thought of. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:55, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::No. Anything involving moving key pages to change their title I am ''completely'' against. As for the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c, we ultimately have to wait. There may be different types, but if they all work with the same firmware, then what do we do then? Use <code>A1456/A1504</code>? I don't want to do that. It can get confusing in the future if that list were to be huge. With ''5'' different models for the iPhone 5c ''alone'', it's just not practical. For the fact that all support GSM, but not all support CDMA, we just do what we've ''been'' doing: "GSM" and "Global". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::There's nothing wrong with changing the titles of pages that don't even exist though. If *all* of the models use the same firmware, just go with "iPhone 5s." If they happen to be partitioned into two different firmwares again, that will certainly complicate things, but it wouldn't be worse than nonsense like "GSM," "GSM [<nowiki />Global]," "CDMA," "CDMA [<nowiki />Global]," or "GSM [<nowiki />Global Plus TD-LTE]." If it's just one oddball, we could just have "iPhone 5s" and "iPhone 5s A1XXX" (whatever the odd one is), and include a link on the former page to say "keys for model A1XXX are on this page." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::I probably didn't phrase that well… I wasn't thinking of how Apple markets the product, but rather more along the lines of how they refer to it in, say, the tech specs page or support documents— the pages that shows the messier side to their simple sugar coating. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You keep misinterpreting/misrepresenting what I'm proposing. I never said anything about dropping, say, "iPhone 5" so firmware page titles would look like [[Sundance 10A405 (A1428)]]. I want to change the GSM/Global part to the A1XXX number, so it would probably show like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428)]]. (If a hardware revision were made, it would probably look like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428 Rev A)]].) From time to time, I edit URLs to browse the wiki too. But the GSM/Global identifiers don't work that well; again, '''all iPhone 5 models can connect to GSM'''. That's not really helpful. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I suggest we drop the A and use Rev. As for the idea of changing to A1XXX, I see no issues and am for the idea. I admit it can cause chaos when we move the pages but we could limit the moving per day of course. Overall, I think it will be worth it. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::No. Don't drop the <code>A</code> from <code>Rev A</code>. Why would you even think to? You want to call them what Apple calls them, and the [[n90bap|revised iPhone 4 GSM]] is referred to with <code>Rev A</code>. In addition, there have been <code>Rev ''B''</code> things before, such as the [[S5L8947]] (A5 Rev B) used in the [[j33iap|revised Apple TV 3G]]. In addition, think of all the redirects we would need to keep for sites that link to key pages directly. I have even seen sites that still link with the URLs as <code>/wiki/index.php?title={Title}</code> instead of the year old change to <code>/wiki/{Title}</code>. The wiki handles that internally for us, but the redirects made in the moves would have to be kept. Currently, only the [[iPhone 5]] and [[iPad 4]] are the only devices referred to by their model numbers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's why I don't want to change it. It's worked for us, and we have no idea how the new firmwares will be handled. I am betting that there will only be two firmware types - one for the GSM, and one for the Global (GSM+CDMA) model. The only reason they are split, IIRC, is because AT&T uses different LTE bands than rest of the GSM world.<br />
:::Ultimately, the GSM/CDMA/Global monikors haven't caused any ''naming conflicts''. Ok, you don't want to use the ''marketing'' title. What about the way they are referred to on [[Apple Developer Center|ADC]], because that seems to be what you want. I may be misreading what you're saying again, but if we're going to do that, let's use their ''full'' title. Something <code>(iPad [4th generation Model A1458])</code> (iPad 4 Wi-Fi) and <code>(iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for Verizon])</code> (iPad 3 Global). Does the first one tell you if the device is Wi-Fi or a Wi-Fi+3G model? Does the second one tell you ''at all'' that it is an [[iPad 3]], or that it supports GSM? No.<br />
:::Apple has a history of being inconsistent. For example, the iPad 3 Wi-Fi is referred to on ADC (and iTunes) as "iPad Wi-Fi (3rd generation)" while the iPad 3 GSM is referred to as "iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for AT&T]". What happened to the "3rd generation"? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::We could always list as <code>iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)</code> etc instead if that would be better. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Why is there a need to explicitly keep "Wi-Fi" in a key page's title? All you need is a way to distinguish what model it is from its other variants— the A1XXX model number does just that. It's not like we referred to the AppleTV3,2 as "Apple TV 3G (New Single-Core A5)" or something. And obviously, we can use common sense to address the 3rd generation iPad issue you brought up… Now you're just nitpicking. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Actually, I think we should wait until we see the firmware for iPhone 5c/5s and then decide. TBH, as [[User:5urd|5urd]] said, it is ok as it is but of course if once the new firmware is out it is more confusing, then we can think again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Come to think of it, we can use a mix of both; we can keep the "Global" moniker, but drop the "GSM" moniker in favor of the A1XXX model number. (The "GSM" moniker is the one that's been bothering me.) I think this works well for the iPad 3 (which is actually split into "CDMA" and "Global—" it probably doesn't need to be done for this), iPad 4, iPad mini 1G, and iPhone 5, but this leaves the question of what to do for the iPhone 5C/5S. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That would look worse! If we are going to do it, we have to do it for '''''all'''''. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::What is the status on this now? --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::This discussion has stagnated, but I'm firing it up again— I want to fix this before the end of the year, so this can probably be seen as an ultimatum. Now that Apple has pushed a 7.1 beta to developers, we now know how Apple's splitting the new iPhones up— and it's by A1XXX model numbers still. :\ That's probably the path the wiki will go down, but I do have another idea. The other idea I have in mind is using the A1XXX model number for the cellular devices launched last year. But for this year's iPhones, the FCC ID is actually different between the two, so we could actually use that. Before this gets nitpicked on, the last letter can get changed to an "X" to signify that it's a wildcard of sorts. It's not a pretty solution so I do expect it to get shot down (hence why I'm going with the A1XXX model numbers unless everyone says otherwise), but I'm still throwing it out there in case everyone actually likes that. Everyone is welcome to suggest alternatives, but I '''will''' eliminate that GSM label before the year ends. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That is worse, nobody knows the FCC ID off the top of their head. I would suggest "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" if anything. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Using "iPhone5,1" or "iPhone6,2" is even ''less'' friendly… The FCC ID can be looked up in Settings or the back of a device. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Well that is not the point. I say either use the firmware name or leave it alone. See what others thing though. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I currently plan on using the A1XXX model numbers— the FCC ID proposal was just thrown out there in the off chance that someone might like it. I'm not really a fan of it myself, but the FCC ID is probably the simplest way to figure out if it's an iPhone6,1 or iPhone6,2 since both have multiple A1XXX model numbers. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I agree to get rid of the "GSM" name, as almost all iPhones support GSM. The Axxxx numbers would be nice, but as some phones have several numbers, like A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530 (what is actually different between them?) we can't use it. For the FCC-ID, we can't use that either, because for example the iPhone 5 with FCC-ID BCG-E2599A stands for the GSM/A1428 and also for the GSM+CDMA/A1429 version. So I suggest to either use the identifier (like iPhone2,1) or better the internal name (like n88ap). That would have the advantage to separate them further, because the iPhone 4 A1332 has two internal versions: iPhone3,1/n90ap and the iPhone3,2/n90bap. The bigger question is where you want to use this. That determines mainly the name. On all the key pages? Then it must be a name that is different between models that use different firmwares. And regarding key pages, maybe we should delete all the key pages from this wiki and move them into some database instead and provide a nice user interface and API around it and integrate that into the wiki somehow. That way we can change all pages with one simple edit. For the name, I prefer the internal name. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:43, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::We would have to edit key pages too. They should not be removed however. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, I wasn't trying to say that we had to decide on one way to differentiate ''everything''; "GSM" does work fine for, say, the iPhone 4. The proposal I brought up today was using the FCC ID only for this year's (2013's) iPhones— last year's cellular devices would get the A1XXX model numbers (i.e. two different solutions for two different years). But as of right now, I like how using A1XXX model numbers sounds for all of the affected devices, mostly because that's the path Apple's going in their developer portal. Something like "iPhone 5s (Model A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530)" is admittedly a mouthful for this year's iPhones though. At the moment, I'm inquiring about how to label it on [[Firmware]] and such pages, but I'm sure the outcome can be adapted for key page titles as well. As for differences between the models, it seems to be the supported LTE bands. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I still think that unless it is "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" it will be complicated but on the other hand, I kind of like the idea that [[User:Http|http]] had, using the internal identifiers like this "iPhone 5 (n42ap)". The only problem is that it would cause quite a bit of a flood moving the key pages, although this can be done like 15 per day each or something. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'm pretty sure the only key page that exists for an A5 (or newer) device is [[Telluride 9A406 (iPhone 4S)]]. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That was an example. I know there are no more A5 pages, only the one you said and two beta for iPhone 4S. I just meant that it would show the design. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:36, November 21, 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals ==<br />
Since this discussion has become extremely lengthy, here are the proposals (to my understanding) for changing the labels, each of which can be subject to changes (i.e. dropping the word "Model" from Proposal A). In an effort to conserve space (ironically, this still adds a significant amount of length), I only included a few models, which should give an idea of the proposal. Basically anything with an A5 or newer is involved. Feel free to edit this list if I missed or totally misinterpreted something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
# Proposal A (A1XXX numbers)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1456/A1532)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)]]<br />
# Proposal B (A1XXX + FCC ID)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2644A)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2694X)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c BCG‑E2694X)]]<br />
# Proposal C (-AP Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p101ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p102ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p103ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n41ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n42ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n48ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n49ap)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 p101ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n42ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n49ap)]]<br />
# Proposal D (iPhoneX,Y Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,4)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,5)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,6)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,2)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,3)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,4)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad3,4)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,2)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,4)]]<br />
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:I like this [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (3,4)]] or [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (iPad3,4)]]. I see there are 4 ways to approach this;<br />
1. Change every single device.<br /><br />
2. Change just devices with different variants, iPad 2+, iPad mini+, iPhone 4, iPhone 5+.<br /><br />
3. Change A5+ only (which I hate the idea of).<br /><br />
4. Change nothing at all.<br /><br />
--[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::My intention for this was to be a ''neutral'' (i.e. opinion-free) spot where all of the proposals were being mentioned, so people could easily see the proposed changes without any bias… v.v --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 20:54, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::TBH, I think it is better as it is, but I just stated my opinion that only A5+ would make in inconsistent. Though you could argue it is already, that is down to Apple and furthermore, just A5+ would still not eliminate iPhone 4 (GSM, GSM Rev A or CDMA). --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:07, November 22, 2013 (UTC)}}<br />
:Do it like #4, and do them all. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 18:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::It will be a pain, but I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea as it would make it much much better in the end. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I would say A and B are impossible due to various numbers in the same model. I like C best. For variant C you could also leave away the "ap" at the end, because every model has that, so it would be even shorter. For D, that's simply longer names and these names are not used at many places, but I could live with that version as well. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
Taking into account everyone's thoughts on this, I think we'll probably go with option C. The wiki already uses the "-ap" identifiers for the model pages, and an identifier like "iPad3,4" may confuse someone into thinking it's a model of the [[iPad 3]]. (I would still like to use the A1XXX numbers since Apple does that, but nobody else seems to agree now…) I'll give this a few more days for any last words before acting on it. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It '''will''' get changed before the year ends. I don't know why your opinion keeps changing, but I have already explained the reason for changing it. You even agreed that it needs to be changed. I'm still open to suggestions on what to change it to though. Keep in mind that the change will affect not only key pages, but also how the devices will be referred to throughout the wiki. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I know it will. I said it is fine to change. I like bot #3 and #4. Only point I must make is that I feel we should change all devices with multiple variants, including iPad Air and iPhone 4. This way, it is consistent and also removes GSM etc altogether. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with Adam, if you're going to change some of them then change all of them. This includes iPods. Whatever the outcome, be consistent. As for the outcome itself, I really think we should just use device identifiers (iPhone2,1). That's what we're actually differentiating by, so it only makes sense to refer to devices by them. I don't think there would be any confusion, especially considering we'll keep the name of the device next to it regardless. Barring that, the next best option is ***ap. The other options don't make any sense considering modern devices. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 10:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea, though I do not mind if we do every device or just ones with multiple variants, as long as that included pre A5 (iPhone 4) too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals (cont.) ==<br />
So this entire discussion came up because we need to remove "GSM" from models, because there are many models nowadays where the non-GSM model or Global or whatever model, all support GSM. One suggestion was the FCC number, but I think we already agreed that this is out of discussion (only used within USA and nobody refers to this number). So we have to use either<br />
*The Axxxx number (like A1332 for the iPhone 4). This is how Apple identifies their devices.<br />
*The ap number (like n94ap or just short N94). This is the internal name and used in internal references, like in the [[iBEC]] or [[iBSS]] filenames within an [[IPSW]]. (This is also what iH8sn0w has on his stickers on the devices.)<br />
*The 1,2 number (like iPad1,1 for the iPad 1G). This identifier is used in the [[IPSW]] filenames.<br />
There are several issues with using one over the other:<br />
*Some devices (iPad 1G, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, iPhone 5s to be exact) have multiple Axxxx numbers for the same ap number/1,2 number. For example the iPad 1G: A1219 (WiFi model) and A1337 (GSM model) both have k48ap / iPad1,1. So only the Axxxx number could be used to replace the "GSM" identifier.<br />
*The iPhone 4 has for A1332 two ap numbers/1,2 numbers: A1332 stands for both n90ap/iPhone3,1 and also for n90bap/iPhone3,2.<br />
*The iPod touch 5G has the same 1,2 number for two ap numbers/Axxxx numbers: iPod5,1 stands for both A1421/n78ap and also for A1509/n78aap.<br />
I understand the point from [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] somehow that we should make it consistent and change it everywhere in the same manner. The question is where to change what. So where do we use these terms?<br />
*The biggest affected change would be the key pages, so any change there should be carefully considered. Currently we use something like: "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". So the discussion here is just about the change in the brackets. For the devices where no different hardware versions exist, I think the current naming is ok. So let's just continue using that. Only where different (sub-)devices exist for the same main model (like for the iPhone 5c) and they require a different firmware file, then we need to specify it. So we need to add something after the "iPhone 5c" to specify the difference. For older devices, we should leave it as it is, because it works very well there. For example the iPad 1G WiFi and GSM require different firmware, but can be differentiated that way. And we can't use the ap number, because both versions use k48ap, respectively iPad1,1. So I think we should leave the old devices as they are. For newer devices, like the iPhone 5c, there are only two variations for the firmware, but six different Axxxx numbers and we don't want to list all of them in the firmware name. We also cannot use "GSM" for the reason mentioned at the introduction. I would prefer to use the ap number there, but that yields to problems. In case of the iPod touch 5G, we have two models (A1421/n78ap and also A1509/n78aap). Fortunately both use the same firmware, so we don't have to specify anything. But if Apple would release an additional model that would require a different firmware, we would have to specify the name even here and we can't add a name like "n78ap+n78aap". The name iPod5,1 there seems to be the obvious choice, as it is contained in the ipsw name already, so it is unlikely that Apple will change that. The only question is the format then. My choice would be to keep it short, something like "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c [5,4])" instead of the current "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". We shouldn't repeat the word "iPhone" there. And we shouldn't remove the "5c" of the original name.<br />
*We also have some hardware lists, for example on the key pages titles where we list under iPad 2: Wi-Fi, GSM, CDMA, Wi-Fi (A). They link directly to our ap-pages, for example the "Wi-Fi (A)" name links to "k93aap". I think we don't need to change this. For the iPhone 5c, we have GSM and Global and they also link to the ap-pages. The link remains there, so we would only change the name. I suggest to use the same short name as in the key page extension, so something like my suggested "[5,4]" for example (instead of "GSM").<br />
*On the [[Models]] page, we have the column "Variant", which also lists "GSM" and "Global" etc. That would also need to change. I suggest to leave it for older devices where "GSM" is a valid differentiation. For newer devices we might list the bands it supports or something else.<br />
*On hardware pages, like [[iPhone]], we also have names and links in the title bar. For devices that have different sub-devices (like the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5/5c/5s) I suggest to rename the title names to the ap-names, as they link to the respective page. I would not change the title "iPhone 3G" to "N82ap" although it links there. So this change would only apply to sub-titles.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 00:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Include iPhone 4 in the change and use same format everywhere on the wiki. I agree that we do not need to change devices with only one variant such as iPhone 3GS. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: I agree on that. 3GS, 3G and the 1st iPhone are anyway devices where I do not see too many wiki-related changes in the future.--[[User:M2m|M2m]] ([[User talk:M2m|talk]]) 09:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I don't like how the abbreviated form of "iPad3,4" looks— I understand wanting to keep "iPad 4" in the name, but I can't come up with alternatives besides going with only the identifier. (Another issue is that MediaWiki's markup parser doesn't seem to like square brackets in links— I tried using <code><nowiki><nowiki /></nowiki></code>.) Having thought it over for a few days, I'm more receptive to changing all multi-variant devices (i.e. including the iPhone 4), but my concern about the Recent changes getting flooded with page moves still exists. The page moves should be done on "quiet" days, when the wiki doesn't see much activity. That being said, this is my understanding of the proposed changes. Does everyone agree with the following?<br />
:* On pages like [[iPhone]], the variant labels will be replaced with the identifier, e.g. iPhone3,1/iPhone3,2/iPhone3,3. (An exception will probably need to be made for the iPad1,1. The "Internal Name" row should also be modified because there will be duplicated information.)<br />
:* On [[Models]], the variant labels will be replaced with something else for the iPhone 5 and newer. (I feel like there are too many LTE bands to list in such a spot, but I don't have any better ideas.)<br />
:* On pages such as [[Firmware]] and [[Jailbreak]], labels will be changed to things like "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" and "iPad 4 (iPad3,4)." Single-variant devices like the Apple TV 2G will remain as-is.<br />
:* The key pages will be moved to a different title, to resemble the following.<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (AppleTV3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (Apple TV AppleTV3,1)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad2,4)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 2 iPad2,4)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)]]<br />
:** [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPod touch 5G)]]<br />
:Do let me know if I missed something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with your idea [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]], but make every page use iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) etc. Of course if pages use iPhone 4 (GSM) now, change that to iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) or iPhone 4 (3,1). I would suggest moving 10 pages per day for the iPhone 4 to avoid flooding. I do not want some pages to include the AP identifier and some others iPhone3,1 for example. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Several comments:<br />
*The square brackets were just an idea, nothing agreed on that yet. And yes, let's forget this idea if it has problems with MediaWiki.<br />
*The beginning of the name should remain, otherwise we're getting inconsistent with other pages. I agree with [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] on this. To keep it short, my favorite would be something like "iPhone 4 (3,1)" then. But to make it more clear, "iPhone4 (iPhone3,1)" is also ok to me. If you wanted to leave the first part away and just use "iPhone3,1", then we would have to rename ALL pages (that's also an option).<br />
*Regarding flooding, I prefer that we do all changes at once, at an agreed date/time, done by [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. Maybe in two steps: first step to change the few hardware pages plus one page of each device of the key pages. In the second step the rest. This would ensure that any misunderstandings get catched in the first step, before all pages are renamed. I don't like to have 20 edits per day that I have to go through. Better all at once, but only after agreement of all.<br />
*Yes, we can do iPhone 4 too, if that't the only missing one. It was a misunderstanding on my part for iPad GSM/WiFi, as this doesn't have different firmwares (only on hardware pages needed).<br />
*Regarding the proposed listing of the bands on the [[Models]] page, Variant column, we could only list the bands that are different to make it short.<br />
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Can we list here what pages would be affected by the changes? Feel free to edit this list here within my comment. Here's what I have in mind:<br />
*[[Models]]<br />
*[[Apple TV]], [[iPad]], [[iPad mini]], [[iPhone]], [[iPod touch]]<br />
*[[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*[[Firmware]], [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
*[[Jailbreak]]<br />
*[[Application Processor]]<br />
*[[Main Page]] - for Application Processors and Baseband Devices.<br />
*[[:Category:Baseband]] - some pages state models and also the baseband devices, such as [[MDM6600]].<br />
*[[Template:Keys]]<br />
*[[P0sixspwn]]<br />
*[[:Timeline]]<br />
*[[SHSH]]<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (like [[Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 GSM)]]), total 69 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (A) (like [[InnsbruckVailPrime 11A4372q (iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)]]), total 21 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 CDMA (like [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 CDMA)]]), total 50 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5c and 5s (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 Wi-Fi)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 GSM (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 GSM)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 CDMA (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 CDMA)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi Rev A (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 CDMA (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
The key pages would get moved without redirect and all references updated. The references should also be in this list above. Add it to the list if I forgot anything.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 15:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that is fine. I said the 10 a day to avoid a big flood, but I do not mind either way. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:13, January 1, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Looks good. I amended the list to include the iPads as well. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So most of you seem to agree on the the generic change now. But what is missing is the exact naming. We have three variations still in discussion:<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 3,1"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 iPhone3,1"<br />
:::::I just noticed that we cannot use the round brackets, because this entire part is already enclosed in round brackets - otherwise we would have nested brackets and in grammar I think you have to use square brackets which are not allowed in MediaWiki. So this leaves us with #3 and #4. #3 looks silly without the brackets, so we probably have to use #4 as [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] suggested. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree with #4, looks better as I feel that #3 needs some sort of brackets if we used that. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]])<br />
::::::Wow, time really flies when you sleep all day. I've missed a ''lot''. Ok. I'm happy we decided to use the firmware moniker instead of something else. Personally, I don't like #1 because it just looks weird IMO. In addition, #1 and #2 would require the use of brackets (<code>(iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>) which would require the use of <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code> all over the place, and that will get not only ugly, but annoying. I agree #3 looks weird. However, #4 just looks redundent. I personally would like just <code>iPhone3,1</code>, but if I would have to put my vote on one of those last two, it would be #4. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 08:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::One last comment: We could also just use "iPhone3,1" (leaving the leading "iPhone 4" completely away). That would have two advantages and two disadvantages:<br />
:::::::*+ shorter<br />
:::::::*+ future-proof; if we ever decide to rename the rest as well, this is the way to name it<br />
:::::::*- somehow inconsistent with non-ambiguous other key pages (although ambiguous and non-ambiguous pages are different now anyway)<br />
:::::::*- less easy to understand from the name what device it is (but the iOS version is also not directly visible)<br />
:::::::--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 11:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::To me, that makes it worse. Why can we not use the rounded "()" brackets? I mean, it will only be duplicated in the key page urls, in which if it must be, just do "iPhone 4 iPhone3,1". Does not seem too bad to me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::We ''don't want to'' use parenthesis because then we get double parenthesis (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 (3,1))</code>). We would have to use braces (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>), but MediaWiki chokes when there's braces in a link unless you use <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code>; and that would mean ''everywhere'' there's a firmware link. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That ''is'' what I suggested in my reply... As for your first disadvantage, it only applies to the iPads where Apple has gotten confusing. Actually, now that I think of that, option #4 above does look nice. However, I still don't like the redundency of having <code>iPhone</code> in there twice. And as I said before, options #1 and #3 just look weird. So we're stuck at either redundency or looking weird. But then again, it wouldn't be redundent for the non-existent iPad key page links where Apple decided to be annoying with their firmware monikers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Could we not just use the parenthesis but just not in the key page URL's? I mean, "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" but in the urls for key pages, <code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone_4_iPhone3,1)</code>? That seems fine here. The underscores are currently there anyway. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::This seems fine to me… Well, aside from the underscores. Other than that, we're actually already doing the same thing until the changes are implemented. (Key pages say "(iPhone 4 GSM)" while other parts of the wiki say "iPhone 4 (GSM model).") --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I think that "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" does look the nicest, and I don't really feel like it's redundant. I also like the idea of just saying 'iPhone3,1'. If either of those options doesn't work, it might be good to do something like "iPhone 4; iPhone3,1" or "iPhone 4 | iPhone3,1".--[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::The underscores were stated due to the key page URL's use that. I did not mean use that throughout. Was just to give an example, [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:16, January 2, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::So we have to decide between<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)" (name on link could be "Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [iPhone3,1])" or whatever fits best in the context)<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
::::::::::I would prefer #2 (for advantages/disadvantages see list above), but could also live with the other one. Votes? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:06, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I would prefer #1 because it would be more consistent. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Count my vote for #2. I could go either way, but option #2 looks nicer. But just to double-check (yet again), we ''are'' using "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" in places like [[Firmware]]'s headings, right? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Headings/titles/links: we didn't decide on that, but I think we can put whatever fits best in the context of a page. So that's a 'yes'. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::This has been completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Key page template ==<br />
I actually like the idea of a database to an extent. I bet I could put together an extension that creates a [[Special:SpecialPages|special page]] that allows read access to everyone (and r/w access to users). Any edits to the key "pages" wouldn't cause a [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] log. If we ever needed to update the layout, we would just need to update the extension. We could even have an API.<br />
The only limitation is that updates to the extension would require either [[User:geohot|George]] or [[User:Dialexio|Alex]] needing to upload the fix. If we were to set up an external site, then all links to it would need to be wrapped with <code>&lt;span class="plainlinks"&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;</code>.<br />
Maybe a simple extension that takes links and redirects you to the external site? That could work. Like, we would have a link to, say, <code>[[<nowiki/>Special:Keys/iPad1,1/9A405]]</code> which would give an HTTP <code>301 Moved Permanently</code> header to, say, <code><nowiki>http://ioskeys.com/iPad1,1/9A405</nowiki></code>. Granted, someone would have to pay for the domain, but it would solve this problem. I may be able to pay for the domain if I make enough money by the time I finish writing everything. Any opposition? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 16:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like the idea. I like the idea of the database to a degree, but I think that the pages should remain on this wiki. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:03, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see this solving any problem— the backlash against changing the key page template was because of (unnecessary?) changes to the arguments, and the frequency of how often such changes were being proposed/applied. How would a database prevent it? For instance, let's say the database columns are all decided on. Suddenly, it's decided that SHA-1 hashes should be added as well, or perhaps "VFDecryptKey" will be renamed to "FSKey." People submitting keys would still be bothered with having to adjust for those changes. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That with the database is something I'll implement anyway (if not someone else is faster, as I'm quite busy). I just threw that in here as it might solve the problem of the frequent template updates (which is/was wrong anyway). From there it would be easy to create the VFDecrypt page with an overview link or lists of missing keys and that stuff, so the wiki would not need any direct links. But it would mean that we either completely remove all keys here from the wiki and embrace that solution or have them still duplicate (which then doesn't solve the problem). Dialexio: renaming columns can be handled without interface changes, but that's another topic. So let's forget about this database thing for now and we can discuss again when I have something. We certainly don't want to add extensions for that. So back to the discussion about the renaming: If I understood this correctly, you only want to rename A5+ devices and therefore no key pages would be affected. Is my understanding correct? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::As long as the pages stay on this wiki, I do not mind. Although, a database could be pointless as with only 50 more pages to edit for the new format, there is no planned new format/changes again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::About the renaming, that is correct; I'm only interested in changing the cellular labels on A5/+ devices. (Well, the iPad 2 can remain as-is.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh, well that would just make things more complicated/inconsistent. We should do all or none. About the template idea, there is also no need as it is not likely we will change the format again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::::Do we really need to CHANGE THE FORMAT 50 TIMES IN A ROW? The old one before everything was messed with worked fine enough. [[User:Winocm|Winocm]] ([[User talk:Winocm|talk]]) 18:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It was actually one change, which was completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Login prompt revision suggestion==<br />
I wrote a suggestion here: [[MediaWiki talk:Loginprompt]] (since I don't have permission to edit [[MediaWiki:Loginprompt]] directly) - I'd be interested in whether it sounds like a good idea to other people. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 01:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Homepage suggestions==<br />
Under "Application Development", what about linking to [http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page iPhoneDevWiki]? It's also a community-edited technical resource, and it links to this wiki. It could be helpful to add a little more detail to "Get [[up to speed]] in the community.", like this: "Get [[up to speed]] in the community - learn about how jailbreaks work." Under "Definitions", it could be helpful to list all the firmware tags in one line or sub-list, similar to how Jailbreak is organized next to Tethered jailbreak and Untethered jailbreak, both to save space and help readers understand the list. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 23:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:A link to the iPhoneDevWiki sounds good. I wonder if we should have an "External Links" or "Other Resources" section to include links to other sites (such as the [http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ iPhone Dev Team blog]) though. As for the "Up to Speed" page, I feel like the entire page could be reworked a bit— and perhaps even receive a new, clearer name ([[Introduction]]? [[Preface]]? Or something else?)— the current name makes it sound like it's for people that last paid attention to jailbreaking when the App Store didn't exist. And yeah, moving the IMG3 tags to a sub-list sounds like a really good idea. (Admittedly, I actually don't care for its inclusion in the first place, but that's just a personal preference.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
::There's already [[Useful Links]] with some links to other core community resources (which could be updated and rearranged) - I was just thinking that it'd be especially useful to link to iPhoneDevWiki prominently since it's likely for TheiPhoneWiki visitors to also be interested in relatively-organized technical information about development. Changing the name of "Up to Speed" sounds fine to me too - that page didn't get much attention since 2008 until I sort of commandeered it to serve as an "intro to jailbreaking" page. :) It could be renamed "getting started", as in "how to get started on learning about research into iOS devices, especially security research (such as jailbreaks)". [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
Also I'd love to see a dedicated section for "Good tasks for new editors", where we could maintain a list of relatively easy/straightforward suggested edits that wouldn't require vast technical knowledge, like updating that links page. Where would that go? Add it as a sub-section of [[The iPhone Wiki:Current events]] and link that section from the homepage or something? Or make a new page? [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==What is 0x5265c384 in the boot process?==<br />
Does anybody know where <code>0x5265c384</code> points to in the boot process? I haven't been able to find anything on it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 20:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==License for contributions==<br />
This wiki has never had an official license for contributions. Now, IANAL, but IIRC, this means that you can't use ''anything'' posted here unless it qualifies as fair-use. What I propose is that we set a license and add a notice that states that any contributions after a set date are to be licensed under that license (that's kindof a mouthful). I think we should use the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-by-SA 3.0] as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|Wikipedia uses it]], but that's just me. Any ideas? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 19:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the edit info already says all this:<br />
Please note that all contributions to The iPhone Wiki may be edited, altered, or<br />
removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly,<br />
then do not submit it here.<br />
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public<br />
domain or similar free resource (see The [[:The iPhone Wiki:Copyrights|iPhone Wiki:Copyrights]] for details). '''Do not'''<br />
'''submit copyrighted work without permission!'''<br />
For me, that's enough. I don't need a 50 page license. But if you want to formalize this more, go ahead. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds good. It's good practice to have an official license, just in case any disputes happen someday, and to ensure that it's OK to copy text over to Wikipedia (for example). [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Banner Replacement?==<br />
I kinda feel like the banner on the front page is getting a little stale, so I'm interested in seeing it replaced. I tossed a proposal [https://twitter.com/Draxelf/status/408295008794845184 on Twitter] a couple of days ago (which is admittedly plain, but Myriad Set…), but I haven't heard any opinions on replacing the banner. Are there any thoughts on this matter? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Or, [http://imgur.com/wJFqPl1 this]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Looks nice in Myriad! More professional. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 04:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Date Format==<br />
I see that [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] started to unify the date formats in this wiki. While I like this to be consistent, actually we should've talked about what format to use before changing it. I like the d_mon_yyyy format though. I also saw that he removed the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> between the date parts on the [[iFaith]] page that I added once purposefully. The reason was that when making the browser window small (or on the iPhone) that the date wraps to two lines, which is almost always undesired. The question is if we should do that everywhere too? Additionally, as we now seem to have a "standard" here, we should document it, so that new users know what format to use. -- [[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 17:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I just made it consistent. If you want the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> back, feel free to add it. I removed it as it did nothing (previewing on OS X). We should use the format I used throughout the wiki and not Dec 23, 2013 etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::<code>&amp;nbsp;</code> stands for "'''n'''on-'''b'''reaking '''sp'''ace". It is essentially a space, but with a property that prevents word wrap from occurring between the two words it's between. Look at [[Firmware Keys]] on a small enough screen (1024 across should do it). Your browser should preserve the space between the date "words". Now, go into the edit page and remove the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> from everything in one table. Your browser will now word wrap the date "words". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:What I actually want to do is use <code>{{[[Template:Start date|start date]]}}</code> instead of plain dates in areas where dates are used as a statistic; for example, [[Firmware]], [[Firmware Keys]], [[SHSH]], [[Timeline]], etc. Places where dates are used to record when something happened, for example on [[evasi0n7]], "On 28 December 2013...", should use the date flat out in the source. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Template documentation ==<br />
Whenever using templates that are copied here from Wikipedia, I almost always forget the parameters of the template. I then have to open Wikipedia and search for the template. What I want to do it copy the template documentation from Wikipedia here. To work around the licensing issue, we can create our own template that you would include at the bottom of the copied documentation that says the documentation comes from Wikipedia (because Wikipedia uses [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|CC-BY-SA 3.0]] which says our copied text must be under CC-BY-SA 3.0 ''and'' attribute Wikipedia and her editors. I can write the text for license template. Any ideas? Any opposition? If not, I'll begin in a few days. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I don't see why not. That's what I've seen done on other wikis. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Mainpage "iPhone Hackers" List ==<br />
<br />
I think the "iPhone Hackers" List of the mainpage needs to be updated. Here are some people that need adding:<br />
<br />
*[[Pimskeks]]<br />
*[[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
*[[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
*SquiffyPwn<br />
*[[i0n1c]]<br />
<br />
Are there any others you can think of? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the list except I do not think that SquiffyPwn has done anything huge, except help with [[p0sixspwn]] and i0n1c shouldn't be added. Just my opinions. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: [[User:ph0enix|Me]], [[User:5urd|5urd]] and [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]] have definitely earned our keep refer to http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 02:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree, you are not that well know, like pimskeks etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I agree with iAdam1n. You are not known enough. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::Are you kidding me?? we have worked with many "well known" hackers and are in constant communication with people like p0sixninja! this is a joke we dont have to be "well known" to be influential hackers who not to mention have been running support and hacking in the community for 4 almost 5 years! --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::Support does not count. I am sticking with my original decision. AFAIK, you released no jailbreaks or found any new exploits, not as well know as the main hackers. Feel free to share what you have found/made if you want and also you can see what others say. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::are you kidding me!! http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html that is the reason i have high quality followers like posixninja and nitotv just because you guys are too young in the community to know about our major help to the community doesnt mean we are it is a closed sourced exploit but very functional and based off of redsn0w that implements our exploit now if you wanna get your thumb out of your buts and pay attention it would be great --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Why is this being brought up again? The answer was no before, and it's going to remain no for the reasons http stated before. I should add that who follows who on Twitter doesn't really mean anything— I have nitoTV, chronic, iH8sn0w, and winocm as followers, but that doesn't mean [https://twitter.com/Dialexio/status/376801384752222208 this] was a legitimate jailbreak by any means. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: Jeez idk maybe because we RELEASED A WORKING TOOL AND KEEP BEING BLOWN OFF BY INFERIOR ASS HOLES WHO REFUSE TO ADMIT IT! when you create a tool then challenge it till then we should be put on the list for discovering and implementing a previously unknown userland exploit and building a tool to ease the process... --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Your insults aren't helping your credibility. Just saying. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: well if i wouldn't have to have been asking for so long then i wouldn't be so upset my credibility is there whether you choose to ignore it or not is up to you. our tool is a working tool and we discovered and implemented a exploit that should be grounds for our names to be on the list,and the followers point is that we may not be well known but the people who follow us are legit people. quality over quantity. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::And now, your arguing with the administration. The answer is no. End of. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 09:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Coming back to this old discussion, the decision at that time was to not even include iH8sn0w there, so I don't see a reason to include much lesser known people. For the overview list, we already have the [[:Category:Hackers]]. The main page is just for the 5-10 currently most important people. Regarding names, there should be a wide consensus of the people listed. If you ask me today, I'd comment like this:<br />
:*i0n1c is not working on public jailbreaks, so don't include<br />
:*geohot has retired from the scene, he could get removed, but as founder of this wiki and best contributor to the scene of all time, better leave him there<br />
:*winocm new shooting star, could get added<br />
:*iH8sn0w could get added with all the tools created<br />
:*all others I would not add or only added to category mentioned above<br />
:Remember that the list should be really short, so adding anyone would most probably mean to remove someone less important. Also, number of followers on Twitter doesn't mean anything; all these people follow me too and I wouldn't claim to be that important. This shouldn't discourage anybody not on this main page to continue his/her work. If this is causing these feelings, I think we should remove the list there entirely. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks [[User:Http|http]] I feel like in that case their should be a new category made for the people who have worked very hard but by those standards do not fit in that category, something like security researchers for the people who are doing a lot of behind the scenes work and certainly deserve some recognition somewhere on here. Just a thought though. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
== Category Security Researchers==<br />
Hi all! i've created the category Security Researchers in order to cut down on the pages categorized as hackers as it apparently needs to be more exclusive. i've been adding the less known or inactive hackers from the hacker page but have not removed them from the hackers page. I feel that it should be a vote on who gets removed from the hackers page so my first suggestion is [[User:Fallensn0w]] as he has been inactive for a very long time and didn't do a lot in the first place. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 15:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing old/broken download links ==<br />
<br />
I have noticed on pages like [[evasi0n]] and [[p0sixspwn]] that some of the dwonlaod links no longer work because the developers have taken the revision of the software down. Rather than leave them there, I suggest we replace the links with ones that can be accessed (such as with ones in my MEGA). For example, version 1.0 of [[evasi0n]] was taken down from MEGA and no longer exists. However, I have version 1.0 saved in my MEGA Drive so I could replace the broken links with ones to downloads in my MEGA Drive. What do you guys think of this? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 10:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like this idea as it breaks copyright. We normally just put a line through with <code>style="text-decoration: line-through;"</code>. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I know but I think that people should still be able to download the old versions. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 11:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree. Except for [[evasi0n7]], latest versions work best and with evasi0n7, all links work. We do not want unofficial links because of copyright. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::This contradicts your actions a bit— I've never seen official MEGA links for newer releases of evasi0n7, yet you filled it in for some of them. But I digress… In all honesty, I wouldn't mind, as long as no copyrights are violated. There should be some sort of distinction that it's not an official link though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::The MEGA links that I have added myself have been from evasi0n.com with "view source" in a browser. The earlier releases, [[User:5urd|5urd]] added them so I don't know about those. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 07:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::To be honest, it is only violating copyright if the jailbreak tools cost money. Since they are free, it is not violating copyright. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Copyright laws are '''always''' in place, regardless of how much something costs, unless the creator waives their copyrights. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So, should I go ahead a do it? I could put a warning triangle symbol before it so that it is shown to be an unofficial link. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I say no. On JailbreakQA, one moderator was told by MuscleNerd to remove a hosted version that included the edit for 7.0.6 before evasi0n7 1.0.7 was released. There is no need for older versions since the latest works, with the exception of evasi0n7 1.0.8 but 1.0.7 links are still valid. I strongly disagree to add this. Also it should have at least a week on discussion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::That sounds more like MuscleNerd not wanting tampered copies of evasi0n7 to float around. That being said, I don't know whether he or the rest of the evad3rs would be fine with rehosting untouched copies of their files though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== geeksn0w ==<br />
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I think we should make a page for geeksn0w. It is a jailbreak tool used by a significant amount of users who have iPhone 4's. I don't see why there isn't a page already. What do you guys think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I personally like the idea. I would at least like to see it added to [[iPhone 4]] on [[Jailbreak|the jailbreak page]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Exactly, we should add it to the [[Jailbreak]] page and create a page on it. What do you think of creating a page for the developer/hacker, BlackGeekTutorial? He is just about to start working on [[iFaith]] for iOS 7.<br />
:::Personally, we don't need a page on him I don't think until he has made a lot. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::On the page, I am thinking of having download links to previous versions (in my MEGA drive) since BlackGeek doesn't give out other links. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think we should only use official links but thats just me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:56, 25 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I know we should use official links, but BlackGeek doesn't keep the links active. Also, he doesn't use MEGA. He just hosts it in the portfolio for his website. But he uses Adfly links to host them too. Do we really want Adfly links here? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 12:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If that is the official link, I would say yes. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:11, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cyberelevat0r ==<br />
I think we should make a page for Cyberelevat0r (i0n1c's 7.1.x Untethered Jailbreak). There is multiple proof that he might release it and we can fill it with information about all other hackers that have 7.1.x untethered jailbreaks as well. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
:No. If (and it's a massive if) it gets released, then ok. Not until. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 08:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Email notifications? ==<br />
Is it possible to get emailed when a watchlist page changes? I'd love that feature. [[wikipedia:mw:Manual:Configuration settings#Email notification (Enotif) settings|This looks relevant]]. --[[User:Beej|beej]] ([[User talk:Beej|talk]]) 08:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Ambiguous names ==<br />
I feel like the names for [[Symlinks]] and [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] is a bit too ambiguous. Now, I don't anticipate there being much confusion, particularly since nobody really cares about 1.x anymore, but I would like to make the distinction clearer. I think both articles should be renamed, but I have no idea on what to rename them to (or even if you guys approve). I thought of using the CVE ID, but Apple doesn't provide one for [[Symlinks]] (or even any indication that they fixed it). ([[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] was assigned CVE-2013-5133.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:They are referred to as the Symbolic Link by people like MuscleNerd and iH8sn0w so, in my opinion, they should be kept as their current names. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 18:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I don't mind if one of them keeps their current name, but there should be something to make the distinction clearer. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 01:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== IRC Channel on Freenode ==<br />
Howdy iphonewiki folks, I have #theiphonewiki registered on freenode, and am ready to have people come in (it's been ages since this idea has been brought up). Shall we open it? I'd like to get some ops in there to help out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 05:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should make an IRC channel for this wiki. It can be either #theiphonewiki or #iphonewiki on freenode. The channel would be used for discussions, such as the TLC of the Jailbreak page for example. It would make getting things sorted a lot easier, since we could just ping each other different ideas. I know this idea was made before, but the channel never really got anywhere. What do you guys think of this idea? We would need to decide who has founder, op and voice etc. on the channel here. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 06:58, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: This is idiotic. You just want to do it yourself cause you want power. We won't help you feed your ego. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: You have never edited on this wiki in your life before so STFU. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: Being that I own #theiphonewiki, the original channel in which the wiki's channel was going to be on, I have control over who's moderating the channel. One op will be me, I have 3+ years of IRC moderation experience (To be honest, Is this even CV worthy? :P) we can choose the other operators when the channel becomes somewhat popular. ps. Why make two topics for this? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: That most definitely is CV worthy. I've seen Spydar007 moderate a channel, it crashed in a week or so. Not to mention the channel wasn't even his, and he kinda took it over anyway. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::No, no, no. The community decides. Juts because Farahtwiggy asked you to register it before, doesn't mean you get to be an op there now. This was my idea (Dialexio can vouch). You have no control over who are ops there. {{unsigned|Spydar007|04:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)}}<br />
::: One "no" is enough. Farah, really, doesn't have much (if anything) to do with this, the channel was registered a year ago. Your childish response above does not show me that you can handle owning the channel, nor do the rumors of you abusing channel control in your personal channel. It's really not your idea, it may have just now come to your mind, but adaminsull and I have gone through this whole deal before (one year ago). Join me on #theiphonewiki if you'd like to chat this out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I don't know what's happening off of the wiki so I might only have part of the picture. I definitely don't see Haifisch as trying to steal credit for this idea, which actually was brought up about ages ago. I'm not much of an IRC guy, so my opinion might not have that much weight for a lot of this discussion, but I feel that the channel would be better in Haifisch's hands given his experience. Ownership/management/whatever for the IRC channel should certainly be open for discussion though. I really don't care too much about whoever gets to run it, as long as the person is someone that the community knows, respects, and trusts. (Same goes for the channel ops.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It does not sound like a good idea to have an IRC channel for this wiki. It is useful for discussion of this wiki's articles to continue to be be done publicly on the wiki (on the appropriate talk pages), so that everyone interested in the wiki can easily contribute to the discussion, and so that there is a well-organized public record of discussions that we can all easily refer to. IRC channels are also very fertile breeding grounds for social conflicts and unhappiness (as we've seen already), which is helpful to skip. In any case, this should be discussed at [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal]] instead of here - this page is for discussing modifications to the Main Page, and that one is for general discussions about TheiPhoneWiki. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving to Canada ==<br />
I'm moving this server in the next few days to a quality server in Canada. It'll be running inside a VM, so I'll also look into giving admins more access. Hopefully the periodic outages will stop. Maybe I'll add some SSL certs. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]])<br />
:Nice, thanks! HTTPS would be great. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
::So we're not in canada yet?--[[User:Awesomebing1|Awesomebing1]] ([[User talk:Awesomebing1|talk]]) 20:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
You should all be in Canada now, with 8GB of Canadian RAM. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:26, 2 September 2014 (UTC)<br />
:And we also have https://theiphonewiki.com/, though it avoids the squid proxy. It's fine for people making edits but I don't plan on changing the default anytime soon. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:42, 2 September 2014 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=42011The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2014-09-02T04:26:35Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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==iPhone-Elite==<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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==Boot-args cleanup==<br />
We need to clean up the boot-args pages. First the technical part: What I understand is that iBoot loads the kernel. And when loading it, it can pass some parameters to select certain behavior. So this only works with an iBoot or bootrom exploit. I understand that in earlier firmware versions there was simply an iBoot variable, but that doesn't exist or work anymore, now passing theses args requires a different or patched iBoot. There are various parameters in different kernel versions. The description for these arguments is scattered over various places:<br />
*[[Kernel#Boot-Args]] A section with the latest boot arguments list. This should be a short introduction and having a link "main article".<br />
*[[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] separate page for boot arguments, but mainly for the iBoot variable that doesn't exist any longer<br />
*[{{FULLURL:Boot arguments|redirect=no}} Boot arguments] (redirect)<br />
*[[:Talk:Restore_Mode]] describing the iBoot variable problem<br />
*Various pages referencing boot-args, like [[Research: Re-allowing unsigned ramdisks and boot-args with the 2.* iBoot]] (here we should have a link on the second title)<br />
*My earlier comment [[:Talk:Kernel#boot-args]]<br />
*This comment here.<br />
So what do we want to do about this mess? I suggest to move the current [[Kernel]] content to the redirect page [[Boot arguments]] (or to another new page, maybe [[boot-args]]). The current content of [[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] and all other content should get merged into there. Then change all references to this new page and on the [[Kernel]] page write just something short with "main article there". What do you think? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 21:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I like [[Boot Arguments]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 02:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::One addition: Maybe we should use [[boot-args]] as the main page, because all links are written like that. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 07:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==The iPhone Wiki re-design==<br />
The design of the iPhone wiki is now quite old and I think it should be updated. I made a [http://oi42.tinypic.com/30ib9y8.jpg concept]. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I disagree. If anything add an iPhone 5 to the logo but everything else is ok. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I wouldn't change the logo to an iPhone 5, especially with iOS 7 and a new iPhone (that will probably look the same as the 5, admittedly) around the corner. I contemplated updating the CSS for iOS 7's UI but decided not to because of the UI's supposed volatility (during the beta period) and I don't have a live version to toy around with. (I personally don't like its current state, but that's not a factor in why I'm not changing it yet.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Can we not do flat? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 21:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::This is what I was thinking. When iOS 7 finally comes out, we could change the CSS to look like that instead. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::iOS 7 looks ugly. We do not want it like that. Maybe a bit more modern but nothing much. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::''You'' may not want it like that. That's your opinion. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::We could make a poll, and see if most users agree or disagree. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:The idea looks nice. But before we make any changes, let's wait until iOS7 comes out. And I'd prefer to just add another skin instead (if possible). I'm still using the classic MonoBook skin by the way. You shouldn't impose design changes to everyone. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::The problem with skins is that geohot needs to set them up... An idea I have is that we copy the Vector skin verbatim to a new skin (<code>iOS6</code>) and move the modifications (not general stuff) to [[Mediawiki:iOS6.css]]. Then we can do another verbatim copy to <code>iOS7</code> and modify [[Mediawiki:iOS7.css]]. We could then set the default skin to either <code>iOS6</code> or <code>iOS7</code> so you don't need to be logged in to see them like currently. Then if someone doesn't like them, like you, just change your settings to your preferred skin. The only way around needing geohot is if he opens up the credentials to FTP or whatever to someone. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:5urd|5urd]]'s suggestion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:29, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
What about just removing the text-shadow element for now? I think pages would be easier to read without it. Here's an example: [[:File:Noshadow.png]]. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah removing the shadow will make everything seem more flat but like [[User:http|http]] I'm still using the classic [http://theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=monobook MonoBook skin] --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 21:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Hacker page==<br />
I would like to be added to the list of hackers for my work with the Private Dev Team and the [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev Team]] in addition to my release of the Phoenix Semi-Untethered. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Did you find any exploits? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 18:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::No. [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]], a team member found the vulnerability. I am the one who exploited it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]])<br />
:::I can back up this "claim". I was a part of it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Whatever happened to this? --[[User:Phyrrus9|phyrrus9]]<br />
:::::So this went cold and i am going to again request that this change be made. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm gonna say no. I don't see any notable accomplishments to merit this. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 21:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::'''No'''. The first step would be to get to the category [[:Category:Hackers|hackers]]. You can get there by finding a vulnerability that is used with an exploit in a jailbreak - or by writing a new exploit. Remember that it's not allowed to add yourself to that category. Instead of finding a vulnerability you could also be member of either The [[iPhone Dev Team]] or [[Chronic Dev]] or [[evad3rs]]. After being in that category, the next step would be that you're famous enough from all those hackers there to get to the main page. The people chosen are discussed here. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Orphaned articles==<br />
This is an interesting search: [[Special:LonelyPages]] - "The following pages are not linked from or transcluded into other pages in The iPhone Wiki." I'm not sure where all of those articles should be linked, but figuring that out could be a useful project for somebody. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 05:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Easy tasks for new editors==<br />
* Finish converting the remaining error codes listed here [[MobileDevice_Library#Known_Error_Codes]] into the proper mach_return_t codes they should be displayed as. (convert the negative number listed into hex, strip any leading "FF" so it should be in the format "0xe80000" followed by two numbers) --[[User:Dirkg|Dirkg]] ([[User talk:Dirkg|talk]]) 22:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A1XXX model numbers vs. "GSM"/"CDMA"/"Global"/"Cellular"/etc. ==<br />
I know that this topic was [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal/2013#iPhone 5|already discussed earlier this year]], but it didn't seem to come to a consensus, and the introduction of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] brought a lot of model numbers. Some of them may "overlap" (think models A1429 and A1442 for the [[iPhone 5]]), but there's simply too many to give names to. There are at least two that can connect to CDMA networks, and all of them can connect to GSM. In addition, with the sheer amount of models, it doesn't seem likely for one model to be treated as a "global" model. Therefore, I changed the iPhone 5c to use model numbers. I would like to do the same to some of the devices that are already present on the wiki though— the same ones from when I first brought up this idea. The GSM/CDMA names work very well for the [[iPad 2]] and [[iPhone 4]]. Things are slightly murkier for the [[iPad 3|iPad (3rd gen.)]], [[iPad 4|iPad (4th gen.)]], [[iPad mini 1G]], and [[iPhone 5]] though; all of those devices' cellular models can connect to GSM networks, so it seems like nonsense to call some of them the "GSM model." The A1XXX model numbers are also how Apple tells the difference between the different models of these devices. Have any opinions changed? Or perhaps someone new might have something to say about this? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 06:06, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I actually like the idea as it does get complicated now with the new devices coming like said and we would have to do this for all devices. Although, if we did this, we would have to move all the key pages that have keys on to support this. That would not be a big problem as we could limit the moves to say 20 per day. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I suggest we wait a bit until we see what models of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] will exist. But in general, I like the idea of using only the A1nnn numbers. The only issue I see right now is that Apple differentiates between A1532 GSM and A1532 CDMA. If there are real hardware differences between these two, then we're screwed again. That's why I suggest to wait until we know these exact model types. On the disambiguation page I added the GSM/CDMA model differentiation already (as Apple does). If they turn out to be the same, we can remove it again, but I wonder why Apple lists two models (with different bands supported) there now. Someone also added the "CDMA" mark to one of the others, but that's not how Apple marks them, so I suggest to remove that mark there again. If everything can be differentiated by these A-model-numbers, then yes, we should change the old pages too. Including all key pages. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:44, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do know there are 2 CDMA and 3-4 GSM for the [[iPhone 5c]] alone. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ahem… ''All'' of the iPhone 5c models can do GSM communications. Hence one of the reasons why I want to ditch the "GSM"/"Global"/etc. labels in favor of A1XXX model numbers. ;P --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::One thing is, what about iPod touch 5 as that has two model numbers that are the same device, same with iPhone5,2. How would we get around that? I suppose we could like both separated with a forward slash. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah, we could just use something like "[[n42ap|iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)]]." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 22:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yeah I thought that but what about the iPhone 4 GSM and GSM Rev A? They both seem to be A1432. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:10, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::This is why I'm against using the A1XXX model numbers instead of the current GSM/Global thing. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I had no plans to change the way we refer to the iPhone 4 or iPad 2 (Apple does use GSM/CDMA, and for those devices it works fine). If a new iPhone 5S revision comes along, Apple will probably refer to it as a "Rev A" thing, and so will we. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Referencing Adam's reply above, if we had took that to the key pages, it'd be <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432)]]</code> which would mess ''everything'' up. What could we do? Use <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432 Rev A)]]</code>? No. That doesn't look good. The current way of referring to everything by their supported network type (GSM/CDMA/Global) helps in going to a different page.<br />
:Let's say I'm on [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 GSM)]] and I want to go the CDMA device. What do I do? Go to the URL and replace <code>GSM</code> with <code>CDMA</code>. With the model numbers, I'd have to navigate to [[Firmware]], then find the link, or find out what the model number of the CDMA variant is and replace the model number in the URL with that.<br /><br />
:Ok, who navigates by the URL and search bar? ''I do''. And I'm sure there's '''many''' people out there that prefer to navigate with the search bar if they know the page name. If we go by model number, the AJAX search results just list pages with a model number in parenthesis. '''How does that help'''? I'd either have to ''know'' the model number of the device I want, or visit ''each one'' until I find the page I need.<br />
:Sorry for the rant, but I am '''strongly''' against this. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do suppose we could just trash the buildtrain all together to shorten it down too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Dropping the Build Train would only ''increase'' the workload. Besides, what's the harm with it? We've been using the same page title structure since forever, and it's worked. "''If it ain't broke, don't fix it''". The current system works, so ''why'', other than the fact that Apple refers to them differently, should we change this? In addition, we don't refer to everything the way Apple does. The [[iPad mini 1G]] is referred to as the "iPad mini". The [[iPad 3]] is refered to as "The New iPad". The [[iPad 4]] is refered to as "iPad with Retina Display"<sup class="plainlinks">[http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/]</sup>. Are the key pages titled <code>BrightonMaps 10B329 (The New iPad, Wi-Fi+3G for AT&T and Verizon)</code>? No. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::But the reason we want to not use the variants is because the new devices that are coming out are breaking he structure and also CDMA versions can use GSM in the 5c plus we have like 4 for GSM alone. I only meant drop buildtrain to shorten the urls down. For the iPhone 4 GSM Rev A we would have to list it as <code>iPhone 4 A1432 Rev</code> unless another idea is thought of. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:55, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::No. Anything involving moving key pages to change their title I am ''completely'' against. As for the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c, we ultimately have to wait. There may be different types, but if they all work with the same firmware, then what do we do then? Use <code>A1456/A1504</code>? I don't want to do that. It can get confusing in the future if that list were to be huge. With ''5'' different models for the iPhone 5c ''alone'', it's just not practical. For the fact that all support GSM, but not all support CDMA, we just do what we've ''been'' doing: "GSM" and "Global". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::There's nothing wrong with changing the titles of pages that don't even exist though. If *all* of the models use the same firmware, just go with "iPhone 5s." If they happen to be partitioned into two different firmwares again, that will certainly complicate things, but it wouldn't be worse than nonsense like "GSM," "GSM [<nowiki />Global]," "CDMA," "CDMA [<nowiki />Global]," or "GSM [<nowiki />Global Plus TD-LTE]." If it's just one oddball, we could just have "iPhone 5s" and "iPhone 5s A1XXX" (whatever the odd one is), and include a link on the former page to say "keys for model A1XXX are on this page." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::I probably didn't phrase that well… I wasn't thinking of how Apple markets the product, but rather more along the lines of how they refer to it in, say, the tech specs page or support documents— the pages that shows the messier side to their simple sugar coating. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You keep misinterpreting/misrepresenting what I'm proposing. I never said anything about dropping, say, "iPhone 5" so firmware page titles would look like [[Sundance 10A405 (A1428)]]. I want to change the GSM/Global part to the A1XXX number, so it would probably show like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428)]]. (If a hardware revision were made, it would probably look like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428 Rev A)]].) From time to time, I edit URLs to browse the wiki too. But the GSM/Global identifiers don't work that well; again, '''all iPhone 5 models can connect to GSM'''. That's not really helpful. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I suggest we drop the A and use Rev. As for the idea of changing to A1XXX, I see no issues and am for the idea. I admit it can cause chaos when we move the pages but we could limit the moving per day of course. Overall, I think it will be worth it. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::No. Don't drop the <code>A</code> from <code>Rev A</code>. Why would you even think to? You want to call them what Apple calls them, and the [[n90bap|revised iPhone 4 GSM]] is referred to with <code>Rev A</code>. In addition, there have been <code>Rev ''B''</code> things before, such as the [[S5L8947]] (A5 Rev B) used in the [[j33iap|revised Apple TV 3G]]. In addition, think of all the redirects we would need to keep for sites that link to key pages directly. I have even seen sites that still link with the URLs as <code>/wiki/index.php?title={Title}</code> instead of the year old change to <code>/wiki/{Title}</code>. The wiki handles that internally for us, but the redirects made in the moves would have to be kept. Currently, only the [[iPhone 5]] and [[iPad 4]] are the only devices referred to by their model numbers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's why I don't want to change it. It's worked for us, and we have no idea how the new firmwares will be handled. I am betting that there will only be two firmware types - one for the GSM, and one for the Global (GSM+CDMA) model. The only reason they are split, IIRC, is because AT&T uses different LTE bands than rest of the GSM world.<br />
:::Ultimately, the GSM/CDMA/Global monikors haven't caused any ''naming conflicts''. Ok, you don't want to use the ''marketing'' title. What about the way they are referred to on [[Apple Developer Center|ADC]], because that seems to be what you want. I may be misreading what you're saying again, but if we're going to do that, let's use their ''full'' title. Something <code>(iPad [4th generation Model A1458])</code> (iPad 4 Wi-Fi) and <code>(iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for Verizon])</code> (iPad 3 Global). Does the first one tell you if the device is Wi-Fi or a Wi-Fi+3G model? Does the second one tell you ''at all'' that it is an [[iPad 3]], or that it supports GSM? No.<br />
:::Apple has a history of being inconsistent. For example, the iPad 3 Wi-Fi is referred to on ADC (and iTunes) as "iPad Wi-Fi (3rd generation)" while the iPad 3 GSM is referred to as "iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for AT&T]". What happened to the "3rd generation"? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::We could always list as <code>iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)</code> etc instead if that would be better. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Why is there a need to explicitly keep "Wi-Fi" in a key page's title? All you need is a way to distinguish what model it is from its other variants— the A1XXX model number does just that. It's not like we referred to the AppleTV3,2 as "Apple TV 3G (New Single-Core A5)" or something. And obviously, we can use common sense to address the 3rd generation iPad issue you brought up… Now you're just nitpicking. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Actually, I think we should wait until we see the firmware for iPhone 5c/5s and then decide. TBH, as [[User:5urd|5urd]] said, it is ok as it is but of course if once the new firmware is out it is more confusing, then we can think again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Come to think of it, we can use a mix of both; we can keep the "Global" moniker, but drop the "GSM" moniker in favor of the A1XXX model number. (The "GSM" moniker is the one that's been bothering me.) I think this works well for the iPad 3 (which is actually split into "CDMA" and "Global—" it probably doesn't need to be done for this), iPad 4, iPad mini 1G, and iPhone 5, but this leaves the question of what to do for the iPhone 5C/5S. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That would look worse! If we are going to do it, we have to do it for '''''all'''''. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::What is the status on this now? --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::This discussion has stagnated, but I'm firing it up again— I want to fix this before the end of the year, so this can probably be seen as an ultimatum. Now that Apple has pushed a 7.1 beta to developers, we now know how Apple's splitting the new iPhones up— and it's by A1XXX model numbers still. :\ That's probably the path the wiki will go down, but I do have another idea. The other idea I have in mind is using the A1XXX model number for the cellular devices launched last year. But for this year's iPhones, the FCC ID is actually different between the two, so we could actually use that. Before this gets nitpicked on, the last letter can get changed to an "X" to signify that it's a wildcard of sorts. It's not a pretty solution so I do expect it to get shot down (hence why I'm going with the A1XXX model numbers unless everyone says otherwise), but I'm still throwing it out there in case everyone actually likes that. Everyone is welcome to suggest alternatives, but I '''will''' eliminate that GSM label before the year ends. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That is worse, nobody knows the FCC ID off the top of their head. I would suggest "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" if anything. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Using "iPhone5,1" or "iPhone6,2" is even ''less'' friendly… The FCC ID can be looked up in Settings or the back of a device. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Well that is not the point. I say either use the firmware name or leave it alone. See what others thing though. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I currently plan on using the A1XXX model numbers— the FCC ID proposal was just thrown out there in the off chance that someone might like it. I'm not really a fan of it myself, but the FCC ID is probably the simplest way to figure out if it's an iPhone6,1 or iPhone6,2 since both have multiple A1XXX model numbers. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I agree to get rid of the "GSM" name, as almost all iPhones support GSM. The Axxxx numbers would be nice, but as some phones have several numbers, like A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530 (what is actually different between them?) we can't use it. For the FCC-ID, we can't use that either, because for example the iPhone 5 with FCC-ID BCG-E2599A stands for the GSM/A1428 and also for the GSM+CDMA/A1429 version. So I suggest to either use the identifier (like iPhone2,1) or better the internal name (like n88ap). That would have the advantage to separate them further, because the iPhone 4 A1332 has two internal versions: iPhone3,1/n90ap and the iPhone3,2/n90bap. The bigger question is where you want to use this. That determines mainly the name. On all the key pages? Then it must be a name that is different between models that use different firmwares. And regarding key pages, maybe we should delete all the key pages from this wiki and move them into some database instead and provide a nice user interface and API around it and integrate that into the wiki somehow. That way we can change all pages with one simple edit. For the name, I prefer the internal name. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:43, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::We would have to edit key pages too. They should not be removed however. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, I wasn't trying to say that we had to decide on one way to differentiate ''everything''; "GSM" does work fine for, say, the iPhone 4. The proposal I brought up today was using the FCC ID only for this year's (2013's) iPhones— last year's cellular devices would get the A1XXX model numbers (i.e. two different solutions for two different years). But as of right now, I like how using A1XXX model numbers sounds for all of the affected devices, mostly because that's the path Apple's going in their developer portal. Something like "iPhone 5s (Model A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530)" is admittedly a mouthful for this year's iPhones though. At the moment, I'm inquiring about how to label it on [[Firmware]] and such pages, but I'm sure the outcome can be adapted for key page titles as well. As for differences between the models, it seems to be the supported LTE bands. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I still think that unless it is "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" it will be complicated but on the other hand, I kind of like the idea that [[User:Http|http]] had, using the internal identifiers like this "iPhone 5 (n42ap)". The only problem is that it would cause quite a bit of a flood moving the key pages, although this can be done like 15 per day each or something. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'm pretty sure the only key page that exists for an A5 (or newer) device is [[Telluride 9A406 (iPhone 4S)]]. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That was an example. I know there are no more A5 pages, only the one you said and two beta for iPhone 4S. I just meant that it would show the design. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:36, November 21, 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals ==<br />
Since this discussion has become extremely lengthy, here are the proposals (to my understanding) for changing the labels, each of which can be subject to changes (i.e. dropping the word "Model" from Proposal A). In an effort to conserve space (ironically, this still adds a significant amount of length), I only included a few models, which should give an idea of the proposal. Basically anything with an A5 or newer is involved. Feel free to edit this list if I missed or totally misinterpreted something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
# Proposal A (A1XXX numbers)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1456/A1532)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)]]<br />
# Proposal B (A1XXX + FCC ID)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2644A)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2694X)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c BCG‑E2694X)]]<br />
# Proposal C (-AP Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p101ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p102ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p103ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n41ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n42ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n48ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n49ap)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 p101ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n42ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n49ap)]]<br />
# Proposal D (iPhoneX,Y Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,4)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,5)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,6)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,2)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,3)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,4)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad3,4)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,2)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,4)]]<br />
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:I like this [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (3,4)]] or [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (iPad3,4)]]. I see there are 4 ways to approach this;<br />
1. Change every single device.<br /><br />
2. Change just devices with different variants, iPad 2+, iPad mini+, iPhone 4, iPhone 5+.<br /><br />
3. Change A5+ only (which I hate the idea of).<br /><br />
4. Change nothing at all.<br /><br />
--[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::My intention for this was to be a ''neutral'' (i.e. opinion-free) spot where all of the proposals were being mentioned, so people could easily see the proposed changes without any bias… v.v --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 20:54, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::TBH, I think it is better as it is, but I just stated my opinion that only A5+ would make in inconsistent. Though you could argue it is already, that is down to Apple and furthermore, just A5+ would still not eliminate iPhone 4 (GSM, GSM Rev A or CDMA). --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:07, November 22, 2013 (UTC)}}<br />
:Do it like #4, and do them all. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 18:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::It will be a pain, but I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea as it would make it much much better in the end. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I would say A and B are impossible due to various numbers in the same model. I like C best. For variant C you could also leave away the "ap" at the end, because every model has that, so it would be even shorter. For D, that's simply longer names and these names are not used at many places, but I could live with that version as well. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
Taking into account everyone's thoughts on this, I think we'll probably go with option C. The wiki already uses the "-ap" identifiers for the model pages, and an identifier like "iPad3,4" may confuse someone into thinking it's a model of the [[iPad 3]]. (I would still like to use the A1XXX numbers since Apple does that, but nobody else seems to agree now…) I'll give this a few more days for any last words before acting on it. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It '''will''' get changed before the year ends. I don't know why your opinion keeps changing, but I have already explained the reason for changing it. You even agreed that it needs to be changed. I'm still open to suggestions on what to change it to though. Keep in mind that the change will affect not only key pages, but also how the devices will be referred to throughout the wiki. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I know it will. I said it is fine to change. I like bot #3 and #4. Only point I must make is that I feel we should change all devices with multiple variants, including iPad Air and iPhone 4. This way, it is consistent and also removes GSM etc altogether. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with Adam, if you're going to change some of them then change all of them. This includes iPods. Whatever the outcome, be consistent. As for the outcome itself, I really think we should just use device identifiers (iPhone2,1). That's what we're actually differentiating by, so it only makes sense to refer to devices by them. I don't think there would be any confusion, especially considering we'll keep the name of the device next to it regardless. Barring that, the next best option is ***ap. The other options don't make any sense considering modern devices. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 10:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea, though I do not mind if we do every device or just ones with multiple variants, as long as that included pre A5 (iPhone 4) too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals (cont.) ==<br />
So this entire discussion came up because we need to remove "GSM" from models, because there are many models nowadays where the non-GSM model or Global or whatever model, all support GSM. One suggestion was the FCC number, but I think we already agreed that this is out of discussion (only used within USA and nobody refers to this number). So we have to use either<br />
*The Axxxx number (like A1332 for the iPhone 4). This is how Apple identifies their devices.<br />
*The ap number (like n94ap or just short N94). This is the internal name and used in internal references, like in the [[iBEC]] or [[iBSS]] filenames within an [[IPSW]]. (This is also what iH8sn0w has on his stickers on the devices.)<br />
*The 1,2 number (like iPad1,1 for the iPad 1G). This identifier is used in the [[IPSW]] filenames.<br />
There are several issues with using one over the other:<br />
*Some devices (iPad 1G, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, iPhone 5s to be exact) have multiple Axxxx numbers for the same ap number/1,2 number. For example the iPad 1G: A1219 (WiFi model) and A1337 (GSM model) both have k48ap / iPad1,1. So only the Axxxx number could be used to replace the "GSM" identifier.<br />
*The iPhone 4 has for A1332 two ap numbers/1,2 numbers: A1332 stands for both n90ap/iPhone3,1 and also for n90bap/iPhone3,2.<br />
*The iPod touch 5G has the same 1,2 number for two ap numbers/Axxxx numbers: iPod5,1 stands for both A1421/n78ap and also for A1509/n78aap.<br />
I understand the point from [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] somehow that we should make it consistent and change it everywhere in the same manner. The question is where to change what. So where do we use these terms?<br />
*The biggest affected change would be the key pages, so any change there should be carefully considered. Currently we use something like: "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". So the discussion here is just about the change in the brackets. For the devices where no different hardware versions exist, I think the current naming is ok. So let's just continue using that. Only where different (sub-)devices exist for the same main model (like for the iPhone 5c) and they require a different firmware file, then we need to specify it. So we need to add something after the "iPhone 5c" to specify the difference. For older devices, we should leave it as it is, because it works very well there. For example the iPad 1G WiFi and GSM require different firmware, but can be differentiated that way. And we can't use the ap number, because both versions use k48ap, respectively iPad1,1. So I think we should leave the old devices as they are. For newer devices, like the iPhone 5c, there are only two variations for the firmware, but six different Axxxx numbers and we don't want to list all of them in the firmware name. We also cannot use "GSM" for the reason mentioned at the introduction. I would prefer to use the ap number there, but that yields to problems. In case of the iPod touch 5G, we have two models (A1421/n78ap and also A1509/n78aap). Fortunately both use the same firmware, so we don't have to specify anything. But if Apple would release an additional model that would require a different firmware, we would have to specify the name even here and we can't add a name like "n78ap+n78aap". The name iPod5,1 there seems to be the obvious choice, as it is contained in the ipsw name already, so it is unlikely that Apple will change that. The only question is the format then. My choice would be to keep it short, something like "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c [5,4])" instead of the current "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". We shouldn't repeat the word "iPhone" there. And we shouldn't remove the "5c" of the original name.<br />
*We also have some hardware lists, for example on the key pages titles where we list under iPad 2: Wi-Fi, GSM, CDMA, Wi-Fi (A). They link directly to our ap-pages, for example the "Wi-Fi (A)" name links to "k93aap". I think we don't need to change this. For the iPhone 5c, we have GSM and Global and they also link to the ap-pages. The link remains there, so we would only change the name. I suggest to use the same short name as in the key page extension, so something like my suggested "[5,4]" for example (instead of "GSM").<br />
*On the [[Models]] page, we have the column "Variant", which also lists "GSM" and "Global" etc. That would also need to change. I suggest to leave it for older devices where "GSM" is a valid differentiation. For newer devices we might list the bands it supports or something else.<br />
*On hardware pages, like [[iPhone]], we also have names and links in the title bar. For devices that have different sub-devices (like the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5/5c/5s) I suggest to rename the title names to the ap-names, as they link to the respective page. I would not change the title "iPhone 3G" to "N82ap" although it links there. So this change would only apply to sub-titles.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 00:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Include iPhone 4 in the change and use same format everywhere on the wiki. I agree that we do not need to change devices with only one variant such as iPhone 3GS. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: I agree on that. 3GS, 3G and the 1st iPhone are anyway devices where I do not see too many wiki-related changes in the future.--[[User:M2m|M2m]] ([[User talk:M2m|talk]]) 09:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I don't like how the abbreviated form of "iPad3,4" looks— I understand wanting to keep "iPad 4" in the name, but I can't come up with alternatives besides going with only the identifier. (Another issue is that MediaWiki's markup parser doesn't seem to like square brackets in links— I tried using <code><nowiki><nowiki /></nowiki></code>.) Having thought it over for a few days, I'm more receptive to changing all multi-variant devices (i.e. including the iPhone 4), but my concern about the Recent changes getting flooded with page moves still exists. The page moves should be done on "quiet" days, when the wiki doesn't see much activity. That being said, this is my understanding of the proposed changes. Does everyone agree with the following?<br />
:* On pages like [[iPhone]], the variant labels will be replaced with the identifier, e.g. iPhone3,1/iPhone3,2/iPhone3,3. (An exception will probably need to be made for the iPad1,1. The "Internal Name" row should also be modified because there will be duplicated information.)<br />
:* On [[Models]], the variant labels will be replaced with something else for the iPhone 5 and newer. (I feel like there are too many LTE bands to list in such a spot, but I don't have any better ideas.)<br />
:* On pages such as [[Firmware]] and [[Jailbreak]], labels will be changed to things like "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" and "iPad 4 (iPad3,4)." Single-variant devices like the Apple TV 2G will remain as-is.<br />
:* The key pages will be moved to a different title, to resemble the following.<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (AppleTV3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (Apple TV AppleTV3,1)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad2,4)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 2 iPad2,4)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)]]<br />
:** [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPod touch 5G)]]<br />
:Do let me know if I missed something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with your idea [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]], but make every page use iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) etc. Of course if pages use iPhone 4 (GSM) now, change that to iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) or iPhone 4 (3,1). I would suggest moving 10 pages per day for the iPhone 4 to avoid flooding. I do not want some pages to include the AP identifier and some others iPhone3,1 for example. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Several comments:<br />
*The square brackets were just an idea, nothing agreed on that yet. And yes, let's forget this idea if it has problems with MediaWiki.<br />
*The beginning of the name should remain, otherwise we're getting inconsistent with other pages. I agree with [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] on this. To keep it short, my favorite would be something like "iPhone 4 (3,1)" then. But to make it more clear, "iPhone4 (iPhone3,1)" is also ok to me. If you wanted to leave the first part away and just use "iPhone3,1", then we would have to rename ALL pages (that's also an option).<br />
*Regarding flooding, I prefer that we do all changes at once, at an agreed date/time, done by [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. Maybe in two steps: first step to change the few hardware pages plus one page of each device of the key pages. In the second step the rest. This would ensure that any misunderstandings get catched in the first step, before all pages are renamed. I don't like to have 20 edits per day that I have to go through. Better all at once, but only after agreement of all.<br />
*Yes, we can do iPhone 4 too, if that't the only missing one. It was a misunderstanding on my part for iPad GSM/WiFi, as this doesn't have different firmwares (only on hardware pages needed).<br />
*Regarding the proposed listing of the bands on the [[Models]] page, Variant column, we could only list the bands that are different to make it short.<br />
<br />
Can we list here what pages would be affected by the changes? Feel free to edit this list here within my comment. Here's what I have in mind:<br />
*[[Models]]<br />
*[[Apple TV]], [[iPad]], [[iPad mini]], [[iPhone]], [[iPod touch]]<br />
*[[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*[[Firmware]], [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
*[[Jailbreak]]<br />
*[[Application Processor]]<br />
*[[Main Page]] - for Application Processors and Baseband Devices.<br />
*[[:Category:Baseband]] - some pages state models and also the baseband devices, such as [[MDM6600]].<br />
*[[Template:Keys]]<br />
*[[P0sixspwn]]<br />
*[[:Timeline]]<br />
*[[SHSH]]<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (like [[Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 GSM)]]), total 69 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (A) (like [[InnsbruckVailPrime 11A4372q (iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)]]), total 21 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 CDMA (like [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 CDMA)]]), total 50 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5c and 5s (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 Wi-Fi)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 GSM (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 GSM)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 CDMA (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 CDMA)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi Rev A (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 CDMA (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
The key pages would get moved without redirect and all references updated. The references should also be in this list above. Add it to the list if I forgot anything.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 15:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that is fine. I said the 10 a day to avoid a big flood, but I do not mind either way. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:13, January 1, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Looks good. I amended the list to include the iPads as well. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So most of you seem to agree on the the generic change now. But what is missing is the exact naming. We have three variations still in discussion:<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 3,1"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 iPhone3,1"<br />
:::::I just noticed that we cannot use the round brackets, because this entire part is already enclosed in round brackets - otherwise we would have nested brackets and in grammar I think you have to use square brackets which are not allowed in MediaWiki. So this leaves us with #3 and #4. #3 looks silly without the brackets, so we probably have to use #4 as [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] suggested. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree with #4, looks better as I feel that #3 needs some sort of brackets if we used that. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]])<br />
::::::Wow, time really flies when you sleep all day. I've missed a ''lot''. Ok. I'm happy we decided to use the firmware moniker instead of something else. Personally, I don't like #1 because it just looks weird IMO. In addition, #1 and #2 would require the use of brackets (<code>(iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>) which would require the use of <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code> all over the place, and that will get not only ugly, but annoying. I agree #3 looks weird. However, #4 just looks redundent. I personally would like just <code>iPhone3,1</code>, but if I would have to put my vote on one of those last two, it would be #4. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 08:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::One last comment: We could also just use "iPhone3,1" (leaving the leading "iPhone 4" completely away). That would have two advantages and two disadvantages:<br />
:::::::*+ shorter<br />
:::::::*+ future-proof; if we ever decide to rename the rest as well, this is the way to name it<br />
:::::::*- somehow inconsistent with non-ambiguous other key pages (although ambiguous and non-ambiguous pages are different now anyway)<br />
:::::::*- less easy to understand from the name what device it is (but the iOS version is also not directly visible)<br />
:::::::--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 11:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::To me, that makes it worse. Why can we not use the rounded "()" brackets? I mean, it will only be duplicated in the key page urls, in which if it must be, just do "iPhone 4 iPhone3,1". Does not seem too bad to me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::We ''don't want to'' use parenthesis because then we get double parenthesis (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 (3,1))</code>). We would have to use braces (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>), but MediaWiki chokes when there's braces in a link unless you use <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code>; and that would mean ''everywhere'' there's a firmware link. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That ''is'' what I suggested in my reply... As for your first disadvantage, it only applies to the iPads where Apple has gotten confusing. Actually, now that I think of that, option #4 above does look nice. However, I still don't like the redundency of having <code>iPhone</code> in there twice. And as I said before, options #1 and #3 just look weird. So we're stuck at either redundency or looking weird. But then again, it wouldn't be redundent for the non-existent iPad key page links where Apple decided to be annoying with their firmware monikers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Could we not just use the parenthesis but just not in the key page URL's? I mean, "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" but in the urls for key pages, <code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone_4_iPhone3,1)</code>? That seems fine here. The underscores are currently there anyway. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::This seems fine to me… Well, aside from the underscores. Other than that, we're actually already doing the same thing until the changes are implemented. (Key pages say "(iPhone 4 GSM)" while other parts of the wiki say "iPhone 4 (GSM model).") --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I think that "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" does look the nicest, and I don't really feel like it's redundant. I also like the idea of just saying 'iPhone3,1'. If either of those options doesn't work, it might be good to do something like "iPhone 4; iPhone3,1" or "iPhone 4 | iPhone3,1".--[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::The underscores were stated due to the key page URL's use that. I did not mean use that throughout. Was just to give an example, [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:16, January 2, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::So we have to decide between<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)" (name on link could be "Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [iPhone3,1])" or whatever fits best in the context)<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
::::::::::I would prefer #2 (for advantages/disadvantages see list above), but could also live with the other one. Votes? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:06, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I would prefer #1 because it would be more consistent. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Count my vote for #2. I could go either way, but option #2 looks nicer. But just to double-check (yet again), we ''are'' using "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" in places like [[Firmware]]'s headings, right? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Headings/titles/links: we didn't decide on that, but I think we can put whatever fits best in the context of a page. So that's a 'yes'. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::This has been completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Key page template ==<br />
I actually like the idea of a database to an extent. I bet I could put together an extension that creates a [[Special:SpecialPages|special page]] that allows read access to everyone (and r/w access to users). Any edits to the key "pages" wouldn't cause a [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] log. If we ever needed to update the layout, we would just need to update the extension. We could even have an API.<br />
The only limitation is that updates to the extension would require either [[User:geohot|George]] or [[User:Dialexio|Alex]] needing to upload the fix. If we were to set up an external site, then all links to it would need to be wrapped with <code>&lt;span class="plainlinks"&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;</code>.<br />
Maybe a simple extension that takes links and redirects you to the external site? That could work. Like, we would have a link to, say, <code>[[<nowiki/>Special:Keys/iPad1,1/9A405]]</code> which would give an HTTP <code>301 Moved Permanently</code> header to, say, <code><nowiki>http://ioskeys.com/iPad1,1/9A405</nowiki></code>. Granted, someone would have to pay for the domain, but it would solve this problem. I may be able to pay for the domain if I make enough money by the time I finish writing everything. Any opposition? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 16:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like the idea. I like the idea of the database to a degree, but I think that the pages should remain on this wiki. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:03, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see this solving any problem— the backlash against changing the key page template was because of (unnecessary?) changes to the arguments, and the frequency of how often such changes were being proposed/applied. How would a database prevent it? For instance, let's say the database columns are all decided on. Suddenly, it's decided that SHA-1 hashes should be added as well, or perhaps "VFDecryptKey" will be renamed to "FSKey." People submitting keys would still be bothered with having to adjust for those changes. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That with the database is something I'll implement anyway (if not someone else is faster, as I'm quite busy). I just threw that in here as it might solve the problem of the frequent template updates (which is/was wrong anyway). From there it would be easy to create the VFDecrypt page with an overview link or lists of missing keys and that stuff, so the wiki would not need any direct links. But it would mean that we either completely remove all keys here from the wiki and embrace that solution or have them still duplicate (which then doesn't solve the problem). Dialexio: renaming columns can be handled without interface changes, but that's another topic. So let's forget about this database thing for now and we can discuss again when I have something. We certainly don't want to add extensions for that. So back to the discussion about the renaming: If I understood this correctly, you only want to rename A5+ devices and therefore no key pages would be affected. Is my understanding correct? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::As long as the pages stay on this wiki, I do not mind. Although, a database could be pointless as with only 50 more pages to edit for the new format, there is no planned new format/changes again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::About the renaming, that is correct; I'm only interested in changing the cellular labels on A5/+ devices. (Well, the iPad 2 can remain as-is.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh, well that would just make things more complicated/inconsistent. We should do all or none. About the template idea, there is also no need as it is not likely we will change the format again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::::Do we really need to CHANGE THE FORMAT 50 TIMES IN A ROW? The old one before everything was messed with worked fine enough. [[User:Winocm|Winocm]] ([[User talk:Winocm|talk]]) 18:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It was actually one change, which was completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Login prompt revision suggestion==<br />
I wrote a suggestion here: [[MediaWiki talk:Loginprompt]] (since I don't have permission to edit [[MediaWiki:Loginprompt]] directly) - I'd be interested in whether it sounds like a good idea to other people. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 01:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Homepage suggestions==<br />
Under "Application Development", what about linking to [http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page iPhoneDevWiki]? It's also a community-edited technical resource, and it links to this wiki. It could be helpful to add a little more detail to "Get [[up to speed]] in the community.", like this: "Get [[up to speed]] in the community - learn about how jailbreaks work." Under "Definitions", it could be helpful to list all the firmware tags in one line or sub-list, similar to how Jailbreak is organized next to Tethered jailbreak and Untethered jailbreak, both to save space and help readers understand the list. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 23:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:A link to the iPhoneDevWiki sounds good. I wonder if we should have an "External Links" or "Other Resources" section to include links to other sites (such as the [http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ iPhone Dev Team blog]) though. As for the "Up to Speed" page, I feel like the entire page could be reworked a bit— and perhaps even receive a new, clearer name ([[Introduction]]? [[Preface]]? Or something else?)— the current name makes it sound like it's for people that last paid attention to jailbreaking when the App Store didn't exist. And yeah, moving the IMG3 tags to a sub-list sounds like a really good idea. (Admittedly, I actually don't care for its inclusion in the first place, but that's just a personal preference.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
::There's already [[Useful Links]] with some links to other core community resources (which could be updated and rearranged) - I was just thinking that it'd be especially useful to link to iPhoneDevWiki prominently since it's likely for TheiPhoneWiki visitors to also be interested in relatively-organized technical information about development. Changing the name of "Up to Speed" sounds fine to me too - that page didn't get much attention since 2008 until I sort of commandeered it to serve as an "intro to jailbreaking" page. :) It could be renamed "getting started", as in "how to get started on learning about research into iOS devices, especially security research (such as jailbreaks)". [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
Also I'd love to see a dedicated section for "Good tasks for new editors", where we could maintain a list of relatively easy/straightforward suggested edits that wouldn't require vast technical knowledge, like updating that links page. Where would that go? Add it as a sub-section of [[The iPhone Wiki:Current events]] and link that section from the homepage or something? Or make a new page? [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==What is 0x5265c384 in the boot process?==<br />
Does anybody know where <code>0x5265c384</code> points to in the boot process? I haven't been able to find anything on it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 20:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==License for contributions==<br />
This wiki has never had an official license for contributions. Now, IANAL, but IIRC, this means that you can't use ''anything'' posted here unless it qualifies as fair-use. What I propose is that we set a license and add a notice that states that any contributions after a set date are to be licensed under that license (that's kindof a mouthful). I think we should use the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-by-SA 3.0] as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|Wikipedia uses it]], but that's just me. Any ideas? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 19:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the edit info already says all this:<br />
Please note that all contributions to The iPhone Wiki may be edited, altered, or<br />
removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly,<br />
then do not submit it here.<br />
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public<br />
domain or similar free resource (see The [[:The iPhone Wiki:Copyrights|iPhone Wiki:Copyrights]] for details). '''Do not'''<br />
'''submit copyrighted work without permission!'''<br />
For me, that's enough. I don't need a 50 page license. But if you want to formalize this more, go ahead. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds good. It's good practice to have an official license, just in case any disputes happen someday, and to ensure that it's OK to copy text over to Wikipedia (for example). [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Banner Replacement?==<br />
I kinda feel like the banner on the front page is getting a little stale, so I'm interested in seeing it replaced. I tossed a proposal [https://twitter.com/Draxelf/status/408295008794845184 on Twitter] a couple of days ago (which is admittedly plain, but Myriad Set…), but I haven't heard any opinions on replacing the banner. Are there any thoughts on this matter? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Or, [http://imgur.com/wJFqPl1 this]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Looks nice in Myriad! More professional. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 04:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Date Format==<br />
I see that [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] started to unify the date formats in this wiki. While I like this to be consistent, actually we should've talked about what format to use before changing it. I like the d_mon_yyyy format though. I also saw that he removed the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> between the date parts on the [[iFaith]] page that I added once purposefully. The reason was that when making the browser window small (or on the iPhone) that the date wraps to two lines, which is almost always undesired. The question is if we should do that everywhere too? Additionally, as we now seem to have a "standard" here, we should document it, so that new users know what format to use. -- [[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 17:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I just made it consistent. If you want the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> back, feel free to add it. I removed it as it did nothing (previewing on OS X). We should use the format I used throughout the wiki and not Dec 23, 2013 etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::<code>&amp;nbsp;</code> stands for "'''n'''on-'''b'''reaking '''sp'''ace". It is essentially a space, but with a property that prevents word wrap from occurring between the two words it's between. Look at [[Firmware Keys]] on a small enough screen (1024 across should do it). Your browser should preserve the space between the date "words". Now, go into the edit page and remove the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> from everything in one table. Your browser will now word wrap the date "words". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:What I actually want to do is use <code>{{[[Template:Start date|start date]]}}</code> instead of plain dates in areas where dates are used as a statistic; for example, [[Firmware]], [[Firmware Keys]], [[SHSH]], [[Timeline]], etc. Places where dates are used to record when something happened, for example on [[evasi0n7]], "On 28 December 2013...", should use the date flat out in the source. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Template documentation ==<br />
Whenever using templates that are copied here from Wikipedia, I almost always forget the parameters of the template. I then have to open Wikipedia and search for the template. What I want to do it copy the template documentation from Wikipedia here. To work around the licensing issue, we can create our own template that you would include at the bottom of the copied documentation that says the documentation comes from Wikipedia (because Wikipedia uses [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|CC-BY-SA 3.0]] which says our copied text must be under CC-BY-SA 3.0 ''and'' attribute Wikipedia and her editors. I can write the text for license template. Any ideas? Any opposition? If not, I'll begin in a few days. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I don't see why not. That's what I've seen done on other wikis. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Mainpage "iPhone Hackers" List ==<br />
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I think the "iPhone Hackers" List of the mainpage needs to be updated. Here are some people that need adding:<br />
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*[[Pimskeks]]<br />
*[[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
*[[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
*SquiffyPwn<br />
*[[i0n1c]]<br />
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Are there any others you can think of? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the list except I do not think that SquiffyPwn has done anything huge, except help with [[p0sixspwn]] and i0n1c shouldn't be added. Just my opinions. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: [[User:ph0enix|Me]], [[User:5urd|5urd]] and [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]] have definitely earned our keep refer to http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 02:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree, you are not that well know, like pimskeks etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I agree with iAdam1n. You are not known enough. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::Are you kidding me?? we have worked with many "well known" hackers and are in constant communication with people like p0sixninja! this is a joke we dont have to be "well known" to be influential hackers who not to mention have been running support and hacking in the community for 4 almost 5 years! --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::Support does not count. I am sticking with my original decision. AFAIK, you released no jailbreaks or found any new exploits, not as well know as the main hackers. Feel free to share what you have found/made if you want and also you can see what others say. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::are you kidding me!! http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html that is the reason i have high quality followers like posixninja and nitotv just because you guys are too young in the community to know about our major help to the community doesnt mean we are it is a closed sourced exploit but very functional and based off of redsn0w that implements our exploit now if you wanna get your thumb out of your buts and pay attention it would be great --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Why is this being brought up again? The answer was no before, and it's going to remain no for the reasons http stated before. I should add that who follows who on Twitter doesn't really mean anything— I have nitoTV, chronic, iH8sn0w, and winocm as followers, but that doesn't mean [https://twitter.com/Dialexio/status/376801384752222208 this] was a legitimate jailbreak by any means. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: Jeez idk maybe because we RELEASED A WORKING TOOL AND KEEP BEING BLOWN OFF BY INFERIOR ASS HOLES WHO REFUSE TO ADMIT IT! when you create a tool then challenge it till then we should be put on the list for discovering and implementing a previously unknown userland exploit and building a tool to ease the process... --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Your insults aren't helping your credibility. Just saying. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: well if i wouldn't have to have been asking for so long then i wouldn't be so upset my credibility is there whether you choose to ignore it or not is up to you. our tool is a working tool and we discovered and implemented a exploit that should be grounds for our names to be on the list,and the followers point is that we may not be well known but the people who follow us are legit people. quality over quantity. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::And now, your arguing with the administration. The answer is no. End of. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 09:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Coming back to this old discussion, the decision at that time was to not even include iH8sn0w there, so I don't see a reason to include much lesser known people. For the overview list, we already have the [[:Category:Hackers]]. The main page is just for the 5-10 currently most important people. Regarding names, there should be a wide consensus of the people listed. If you ask me today, I'd comment like this:<br />
:*i0n1c is not working on public jailbreaks, so don't include<br />
:*geohot has retired from the scene, he could get removed, but as founder of this wiki and best contributor to the scene of all time, better leave him there<br />
:*winocm new shooting star, could get added<br />
:*iH8sn0w could get added with all the tools created<br />
:*all others I would not add or only added to category mentioned above<br />
:Remember that the list should be really short, so adding anyone would most probably mean to remove someone less important. Also, number of followers on Twitter doesn't mean anything; all these people follow me too and I wouldn't claim to be that important. This shouldn't discourage anybody not on this main page to continue his/her work. If this is causing these feelings, I think we should remove the list there entirely. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks [[User:Http|http]] I feel like in that case their should be a new category made for the people who have worked very hard but by those standards do not fit in that category, something like security researchers for the people who are doing a lot of behind the scenes work and certainly deserve some recognition somewhere on here. Just a thought though. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
== Category Security Researchers==<br />
Hi all! i've created the category Security Researchers in order to cut down on the pages categorized as hackers as it apparently needs to be more exclusive. i've been adding the less known or inactive hackers from the hacker page but have not removed them from the hackers page. I feel that it should be a vote on who gets removed from the hackers page so my first suggestion is [[User:Fallensn0w]] as he has been inactive for a very long time and didn't do a lot in the first place. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 15:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing old/broken download links ==<br />
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I have noticed on pages like [[evasi0n]] and [[p0sixspwn]] that some of the dwonlaod links no longer work because the developers have taken the revision of the software down. Rather than leave them there, I suggest we replace the links with ones that can be accessed (such as with ones in my MEGA). For example, version 1.0 of [[evasi0n]] was taken down from MEGA and no longer exists. However, I have version 1.0 saved in my MEGA Drive so I could replace the broken links with ones to downloads in my MEGA Drive. What do you guys think of this? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 10:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like this idea as it breaks copyright. We normally just put a line through with <code>style="text-decoration: line-through;"</code>. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I know but I think that people should still be able to download the old versions. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 11:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree. Except for [[evasi0n7]], latest versions work best and with evasi0n7, all links work. We do not want unofficial links because of copyright. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::This contradicts your actions a bit— I've never seen official MEGA links for newer releases of evasi0n7, yet you filled it in for some of them. But I digress… In all honesty, I wouldn't mind, as long as no copyrights are violated. There should be some sort of distinction that it's not an official link though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::The MEGA links that I have added myself have been from evasi0n.com with "view source" in a browser. The earlier releases, [[User:5urd|5urd]] added them so I don't know about those. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 07:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::To be honest, it is only violating copyright if the jailbreak tools cost money. Since they are free, it is not violating copyright. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Copyright laws are '''always''' in place, regardless of how much something costs, unless the creator waives their copyrights. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So, should I go ahead a do it? I could put a warning triangle symbol before it so that it is shown to be an unofficial link. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I say no. On JailbreakQA, one moderator was told by MuscleNerd to remove a hosted version that included the edit for 7.0.6 before evasi0n7 1.0.7 was released. There is no need for older versions since the latest works, with the exception of evasi0n7 1.0.8 but 1.0.7 links are still valid. I strongly disagree to add this. Also it should have at least a week on discussion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::That sounds more like MuscleNerd not wanting tampered copies of evasi0n7 to float around. That being said, I don't know whether he or the rest of the evad3rs would be fine with rehosting untouched copies of their files though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== geeksn0w ==<br />
<br />
I think we should make a page for geeksn0w. It is a jailbreak tool used by a significant amount of users who have iPhone 4's. I don't see why there isn't a page already. What do you guys think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I personally like the idea. I would at least like to see it added to [[iPhone 4]] on [[Jailbreak|the jailbreak page]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Exactly, we should add it to the [[Jailbreak]] page and create a page on it. What do you think of creating a page for the developer/hacker, BlackGeekTutorial? He is just about to start working on [[iFaith]] for iOS 7.<br />
:::Personally, we don't need a page on him I don't think until he has made a lot. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::On the page, I am thinking of having download links to previous versions (in my MEGA drive) since BlackGeek doesn't give out other links. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think we should only use official links but thats just me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:56, 25 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I know we should use official links, but BlackGeek doesn't keep the links active. Also, he doesn't use MEGA. He just hosts it in the portfolio for his website. But he uses Adfly links to host them too. Do we really want Adfly links here? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 12:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If that is the official link, I would say yes. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:11, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cyberelevat0r ==<br />
I think we should make a page for Cyberelevat0r (i0n1c's 7.1.x Untethered Jailbreak). There is multiple proof that he might release it and we can fill it with information about all other hackers that have 7.1.x untethered jailbreaks as well. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
:No. If (and it's a massive if) it gets released, then ok. Not until. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 08:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Email notifications? ==<br />
Is it possible to get emailed when a watchlist page changes? I'd love that feature. [[wikipedia:mw:Manual:Configuration settings#Email notification (Enotif) settings|This looks relevant]]. --[[User:Beej|beej]] ([[User talk:Beej|talk]]) 08:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Ambiguous names ==<br />
I feel like the names for [[Symlinks]] and [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] is a bit too ambiguous. Now, I don't anticipate there being much confusion, particularly since nobody really cares about 1.x anymore, but I would like to make the distinction clearer. I think both articles should be renamed, but I have no idea on what to rename them to (or even if you guys approve). I thought of using the CVE ID, but Apple doesn't provide one for [[Symlinks]] (or even any indication that they fixed it). ([[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] was assigned CVE-2013-5133.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:They are referred to as the Symbolic Link by people like MuscleNerd and iH8sn0w so, in my opinion, they should be kept as their current names. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 18:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I don't mind if one of them keeps their current name, but there should be something to make the distinction clearer. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 01:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== IRC Channel on Freenode ==<br />
Howdy iphonewiki folks, I have #theiphonewiki registered on freenode, and am ready to have people come in (it's been ages since this idea has been brought up). Shall we open it? I'd like to get some ops in there to help out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 05:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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I think we should make an IRC channel for this wiki. It can be either #theiphonewiki or #iphonewiki on freenode. The channel would be used for discussions, such as the TLC of the Jailbreak page for example. It would make getting things sorted a lot easier, since we could just ping each other different ideas. I know this idea was made before, but the channel never really got anywhere. What do you guys think of this idea? We would need to decide who has founder, op and voice etc. on the channel here. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 06:58, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: This is idiotic. You just want to do it yourself cause you want power. We won't help you feed your ego. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: You have never edited on this wiki in your life before so STFU. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: Being that I own #theiphonewiki, the original channel in which the wiki's channel was going to be on, I have control over who's moderating the channel. One op will be me, I have 3+ years of IRC moderation experience (To be honest, Is this even CV worthy? :P) we can choose the other operators when the channel becomes somewhat popular. ps. Why make two topics for this? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: That most definitely is CV worthy. I've seen Spydar007 moderate a channel, it crashed in a week or so. Not to mention the channel wasn't even his, and he kinda took it over anyway. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::No, no, no. The community decides. Juts because Farahtwiggy asked you to register it before, doesn't mean you get to be an op there now. This was my idea (Dialexio can vouch). You have no control over who are ops there. {{unsigned|Spydar007|04:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)}}<br />
::: One "no" is enough. Farah, really, doesn't have much (if anything) to do with this, the channel was registered a year ago. Your childish response above does not show me that you can handle owning the channel, nor do the rumors of you abusing channel control in your personal channel. It's really not your idea, it may have just now come to your mind, but adaminsull and I have gone through this whole deal before (one year ago). Join me on #theiphonewiki if you'd like to chat this out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I don't know what's happening off of the wiki so I might only have part of the picture. I definitely don't see Haifisch as trying to steal credit for this idea, which actually was brought up about ages ago. I'm not much of an IRC guy, so my opinion might not have that much weight for a lot of this discussion, but I feel that the channel would be better in Haifisch's hands given his experience. Ownership/management/whatever for the IRC channel should certainly be open for discussion though. I really don't care too much about whoever gets to run it, as long as the person is someone that the community knows, respects, and trusts. (Same goes for the channel ops.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:It does not sound like a good idea to have an IRC channel for this wiki. It is useful for discussion of this wiki's articles to continue to be be done publicly on the wiki (on the appropriate talk pages), so that everyone interested in the wiki can easily contribute to the discussion, and so that there is a well-organized public record of discussions that we can all easily refer to. IRC channels are also very fertile breeding grounds for social conflicts and unhappiness (as we've seen already), which is helpful to skip. In any case, this should be discussed at [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal]] instead of here - this page is for discussing modifications to the Main Page, and that one is for general discussions about TheiPhoneWiki. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving to Canada ==<br />
I'm moving this server in the next few days to a quality server in Canada. It'll be running inside a VM, so I'll also look into giving admins more access. Hopefully the periodic outages will stop. Maybe I'll add some SSL certs. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]])<br />
:Nice, thanks! HTTPS would be great. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
::So we're not in canada yet?--[[User:Awesomebing1|Awesomebing1]] ([[User talk:Awesomebing1|talk]]) 20:32, 30 August 2014 (UTC)<br />
You should all be in Canada now, with 8GB of Canadian RAM. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:26, 2 September 2014 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=42010Main Page2014-09-02T04:24:36Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== [[Jailbreak|Jailbreak Status]] ==<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:1em; width:100%;"<br />
|-<br />
! style="width:15%;" | [[Models|Device]]<br />
! [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]]<br />
! [[Apple TV 3G]]<br />
! [[iPad 2]] and newer<br />[[iPad mini 1G]] and newer<br />[[iPhone 4]] and newer<br /> [[iPod touch 5G]]<br />
|-<br />
! Latest [[firmware]]<br />
| colspan="2" | 6.2/7.1.2 <small>(11D257c)</small><br />
| 7.1.2 <small>(11D257)</small><br />
|-<br />
! style="height:3em;" | [[Jailbreak]] available?<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{yes}}<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Software ==<br />
* [[Apple Internal Apps]]<br />
* [[:Category:File Formats|File formats]]<br />
* [[/|Filesystem]]<br />
* [[Firmware]]<br />
** [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
** [[OTA Updates]]<br />
* [[iTunes]]<br />
** [[iTunes Errors]]<br />
** [[iTunes Modes]]<br />
** [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Keys]]<br />
** [[AES Keys]]<br />
** [[CERT|Apple Certificate]]<br />
** [[Baseband RSA Keys|RSA Keys]]<br />
** [[Baseband TEA Keys|TEA Keys]]<br />
** [[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*** [[Decrypting Firmwares]]<br />
** [[GID Key]]<br />
** [[NCK]]<br />
* [[Protocols]]<br />
** [[Baseband Bootrom Protocol]]<br />
** [[DFU (Protocol)|DFU]]<br />
** [[Interactive Mode|Baseband Bootloader Protocol]]<br />
** [[Normal Mode]]<br />
** [[Recovery Mode (Protocols)|Recovery Mode]]<br />
** [[Restore Mode]]<br />
* [[System Log|System Log (syslog)]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Jailbreaks|Jailbreak Software]] ====<br />
* [[Absinthe]]<br />
* [[blackra1n]]<br />
* [[Corona]]<br />
* [[evasi0n]]<br />
* [[evasi0n7]]<br />
* [[Geeksn0w]]<br />
* [[Greenpois0n (jailbreak)|greenpois0n]]<br />
* [[JailbreakMe]]<br />
* [[limera1n]]<br />
* [[Pangu]]<br />
* [[p0sixspwn]]<br />
* [[PwnageTool]]<br />
* [[redsn0w]]<br />
* [[Rocky Racoon]]<br />
* [[Seas0nPass]]<br />
* [[sn0wbreeze]]<br />
* [[Spirit]]<br />
* [[unthredera1n]]<br />
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==== [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] ====<br />
* [[Kernel Patches|Kernel]]<br />
** [[AMFI Binary Trust Cache Patch]]<br />
** [[PE i can has debugger Patch]]<br />
** [[Sandbox Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map enter Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map protect Patch]]<br />
* [[:Category:Ramdisk Patches|Ramdisk]]: [[ASR]]<br />
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==== [[:Category:Exploits|Vulnerabilities and Exploits]] ====<br />
* [[0x24000 Segment Overflow]] (24kpwn)<br />
* [[BPF STX Kernel Write Exploit]]<br />
* [[CVE-2013-0964]]<br />
* [[HFS Heap Overflow]]<br />
* [[HFS Legacy Volume Name Stack Buffer Overflow]] (feedface)<br />
* [[Incomplete Codesign Exploit]]<br />
* [[IOSurface Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Limera1n Exploit]]<br />
* [[Malformed CFF Vulnerability]]<br />
* [[MobileBackup Copy Exploit]]<br />
* [[ndrv_setspec() Integer Overflow]]<br />
* [[Packet Filter Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Racoon String Format Overflow Exploit]]<br />
* [[SHA-1 Image Segment Overflow]] (SHAtter)<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0x21, 2) Exploit]]<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit]] (steaks4uce)<br />
* [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]]<br />
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====Various Software====<br />
* [[Cydia.app|Cydia]]<br />
* [[EDA]]<br />
* [[iDroid]]<br />
* [[iFaith]]<br />
* [[iPhone Tracker]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore7]]<br />
* [[TinyUmbrella]]<br />
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| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Hardware ==<br />
==== Devices ====<br />
{{see also|Models|Prototypes}}<br />
* [[iPhone]]<br />
** iPhone ([[m68ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3G ([[n82ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3GS ([[n88ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]])<br />
** iPhone 4S ([[n94ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5]] ([[n41ap]], [[n42ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5c]] ([[n48ap]], [[n49ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5s]] ([[n51ap]], [[n53ap]])<br />
* [[iPod touch]]<br />
** iPod touch ([[n45ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 2G ([[n72ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 3G ([[n18ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 4G ([[n81ap]])<br />
** [[iPod touch 5G]] ([[n78ap]], [[n78aap]])<br />
* [[iPad]]<br />
** iPad ([[k48ap]])<br />
** [[iPad 2]] ([[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 3]] ([[j1ap]], [[j2ap]], [[j2aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 4]] ([[p101ap]], [[p102ap]], [[p103ap]])<br />
** [[iPad Air]] ([[j71ap]], [[j72ap]], [[j73ap]])<br />
* [[iPad mini]]<br />
** [[iPad mini 1G]] ([[p105ap]], [[p106ap]], [[p107ap]])<br />
** [[iPad mini 2G]] ([[j85ap]], [[j86ap]], [[j87ap]])<br />
* [[Apple TV]]<br />
** Apple TV 2G ([[k66ap]])<br />
** [[Apple TV 3G]] ([[j33ap]], [[j33iap]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Application Processor]]s ====<br />
* [[S5L8900]] ([[m68ap|iPhone 2G]], [[n45ap|iPod touch 1G]], [[n82ap|iPhone 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8720]] ([[n72ap|iPod touch 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8920]] ([[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]])<br />
* [[S5L8922]] ([[n18ap|iPod touch 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8930]] A4 ([[k48ap|iPad]], [[iPhone 4]], [[n81ap|iPod touch 4G]], [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8940]] A5 ([[iPad 2]], [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[S5L8942]] A5 Rev A ([[j33ap|Apple TV 3G]], [[k93aap|iPad 2 (iPad2,4)]], [[iPod touch 5G]], [[iPad mini 1G]])<br />
* [[S5L8945]] A5X ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8947]] A5 Rev B ([[j33iap|Apple TV 3G (AppleTV3,2)]])<br />
* [[S5L8950]] A6 ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPhone 5c]])<br />
* [[S5L8955]] A6X ([[iPad 4]])<br />
* [[S5L8960]] A7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8965]] A7 Variant ([[iPad Air]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Baseband Device]]s ====<br />
* [[S-Gold 2|PMB8876 or S-Gold 2]] ([[m68ap|iPhone]])<br />
* [[X-Gold 608|PMB8878 or X-Gold 608]] ([[n82ap|iPhone 3G]], [[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]], [[k48ap|iPad]])<br />
* [[XMM 6180|XMM6180 or X-Gold 618]] ([[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap|iPhone3,1]] and [[n90bap|iPhone3,2]]), [[k94ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,2)]])<br />
* [[MDM6600]] ([[n92ap|iPhone 4 (iPhone3,3)]], [[k95ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,3)]])<br />
* [[MDM6610]] ([[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[MDM9x00]] ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[MDM9615]] ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPad 4]], [[iPad mini 1G]], [[iPhone 5c]], [[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Motion Processor|Motion Co-processors]] ====<br />
* [[LPC18A1]] M7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
<br />
==== WLAN/[[Bluetooth]] ====<br />
* [[Marvell 88x8686]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 4]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 6]]<br />
* [[BCM4325]]<br />
* [[BCM4329]]<br />
* [[BCM4330]]<br />
* [[BCM4334]]<br />
* [[BCM43342]]<br />
<br />
==== [[Compass.app|Compass]] ====<br />
* [[AKM8973]]<br />
* [[AKM8975]]<br />
* [[AK8963]]<br />
<br />
==== Other ====<br />
* [[Accelerometer]]<br />
* [[Gyroscope]]: [[AGD1 2022 FP6AQ]]<br />
* Connectors: [[30-pin Connector|30-pin]], [[Lightning Connector|Lightning]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Development ==<br />
==== [[:Category:Hackers|iPhone Hackers]] ====<br />
* [[User:comex|comex]]<br />
* [[User:geohot|geohot]]<br />
* [[User:MuscleNerd|MuscleNerd]]<br />
* [[User:planetbeing|planetbeing]]<br />
* [[User:posixninja|posixninja]]<br />
* [[User:pod2g|pod2g]]<br />
* [[Pimskeks]]<br />
* [[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
* [[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
* [[saurik]]<br />
* [[User:chpwn|chpwn]]<br />
<br />
==== iPhone Hacker Teams ====<br />
* [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev]]<br />
* [[iPhone Dev Team]]<br />
* [[Dream Team]]<br />
* [[Evad3rs|evad3rs]]<br />
<br />
==== Application Development ====<br />
* [[Apple Certification Process]]<br />
* [[Bypassing iPhone Code Signatures]]<br />
* [[Distribution Methods]]<br />
* [[/System/Library/Frameworks|Frameworks]]<br />
* [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Mobile Substrate]]<br />
* [[Toolchain]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [[Toolchain 2.0]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [http://iphonedevwiki.net iPhoneDevWiki]<br />
<br />
==== Application Copy Protection ====<br />
* [[Application Structure and Signatures]]<br />
* [[Bugging Debuggers]]<br />
* [[Copy Protection Overview]]<br />
* [[Defeating Cracks]]<br />
* [[Mach-O Loading Process]]<br />
<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Help ==<br />
==== Guides ====<br />
* [[Tutorials]]<br />
* [[Useful Links]]<br />
<br />
==== Definitions ====<br />
* [[Activation]] and [[Hacktivation]]<br />
* [[ASLR]]<br />
* [[Baseband Device|Baseband]]<br />
* [[Baseband Bootloader|Bootloader]]<br />
* [[Bootchain]]<br />
* [[Bootrom]] / [[VROM]]<br />
* [[Bricked]]<br />
* [[CHIPID]]<br />
* [[DFU Mode]]<br />
* [[Failbreak]]<br />
* [[iBEC]]<br />
* [[iBoot (Bootloader)|iBoot]]<br />
* [[iBSS]]<br />
* [[IMG3 File Format|IMG3]] tags<br />
** [[BORD]]<br />
** [[CERT]]<br />
** [[CHIP]]<br />
** [[CPID]]<br />
** [[DATA]]<br />
** [[ECID]]<br />
** [[KBAG]]<br />
** [[PROD]]<br />
** [[SDOM]]<br />
** [[SEPO]]<br />
** [[SHSH]]<br />
** [[TYPE]]<br />
** [[VERS]]<br />
* [[Jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Tethered jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Untethered jailbreak]]<br />
* [[Kernel]]<br />
* [[launchd]]<br />
* [[LLB]]<br />
* [[NAND]]<br />
* [[NOR]]<br />
* [[NORID]]<br />
* [[Unlock]]<br />
* [[Userland]]<br />
|}<br />
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<br />
== [[Jailbreak|Jailbreak Status]] ==<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:1em; width:100%;"<br />
|-<br />
! style="width:15%;" | [[Models|Device]]<br />
! [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]]<br />
! [[Apple TV 3G]]<br />
! [[iPad 2]] and newer<br />[[iPad mini 1G]] and newer<br />[[iPhone 4]] and newer<br /> [[iPod touch 5G]]<br />
|-<br />
! Latest [[firmware]]<br />
| colspan="2" | 6.2/7.1.2 <small>(11D257c)</small><br />
| 7.1.2 <small>(11D257)</small><br />
|-<br />
! style="height:3em;" | [[Jailbreak]] available?<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{yes}}<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Software ==<br />
* [[Apple Internal Apps]]<br />
* [[:Category:File Formats|File formats]]<br />
* [[/|Filesystem]]<br />
* [[Firmware]]<br />
** [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
** [[OTA Updates]]<br />
* [[iTunes]]<br />
** [[iTunes Errors]]<br />
** [[iTunes Modes]]<br />
** [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Keys]]<br />
** [[AES Keys]]<br />
** [[CERT|Apple Certificate]]<br />
** [[Baseband RSA Keys|RSA Keys]]<br />
** [[Baseband TEA Keys|TEA Keys]]<br />
** [[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*** [[Decrypting Firmwares]]<br />
** [[GID Key]]<br />
** [[NCK]]<br />
* [[Protocols]]<br />
** [[Baseband Bootrom Protocol]]<br />
** [[DFU (Protocol)|DFU]]<br />
** [[Interactive Mode|Baseband Bootloader Protocol]]<br />
** [[Normal Mode]]<br />
** [[Recovery Mode (Protocols)|Recovery Mode]]<br />
** [[Restore Mode]]<br />
* [[System Log|System Log (syslog)]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Jailbreaks|Jailbreak Software]] ====<br />
* [[Absinthe]]<br />
* [[blackra1n]]<br />
* [[Corona]]<br />
* [[evasi0n]]<br />
* [[evasi0n7]]<br />
* [[Geeksn0w]]<br />
* [[Greenpois0n (jailbreak)|greenpois0n]]<br />
* [[JailbreakMe]]<br />
* [[limera1n]]<br />
* [[Pangu]]<br />
* [[p0sixspwn]]<br />
* [[PwnageTool]]<br />
* [[redsn0w]]<br />
* [[Rocky Racoon]]<br />
* [[Seas0nPass]]<br />
* [[sn0wbreeze]]<br />
* [[Spirit]]<br />
* [[unthredera1n]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] ====<br />
* [[Kernel Patches|Kernel]]<br />
** [[AMFI Binary Trust Cache Patch]]<br />
** [[PE i can has debugger Patch]]<br />
** [[Sandbox Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map enter Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map protect Patch]]<br />
* [[:Category:Ramdisk Patches|Ramdisk]]: [[ASR]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Exploits|Vulnerabilities and Exploits]] ====<br />
* [[0x24000 Segment Overflow]] (24kpwn)<br />
* [[BPF STX Kernel Write Exploit]]<br />
* [[CVE-2013-0964]]<br />
* [[HFS Heap Overflow]]<br />
* [[HFS Legacy Volume Name Stack Buffer Overflow]] (feedface)<br />
* [[Incomplete Codesign Exploit]]<br />
* [[IOSurface Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Limera1n Exploit]]<br />
* [[Malformed CFF Vulnerability]]<br />
* [[MobileBackup Copy Exploit]]<br />
* [[ndrv_setspec() Integer Overflow]]<br />
* [[Packet Filter Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Racoon String Format Overflow Exploit]]<br />
* [[SHA-1 Image Segment Overflow]] (SHAtter)<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0x21, 2) Exploit]]<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit]] (steaks4uce)<br />
* [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]]<br />
<br />
====Various Software====<br />
* [[Cydia.app|Cydia]]<br />
* [[EDA]]<br />
* [[iDroid]]<br />
* [[iFaith]]<br />
* [[iPhone Tracker]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore7]]<br />
* [[TinyUmbrella]]<br />
<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Hardware ==<br />
==== Devices ====<br />
{{see also|Models|Prototypes}}<br />
* [[iPhone]]<br />
** iPhone ([[m68ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3G ([[n82ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3GS ([[n88ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]])<br />
** iPhone 4S ([[n94ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5]] ([[n41ap]], [[n42ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5c]] ([[n48ap]], [[n49ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5s]] ([[n51ap]], [[n53ap]])<br />
* [[iPod touch]]<br />
** iPod touch ([[n45ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 2G ([[n72ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 3G ([[n18ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 4G ([[n81ap]])<br />
** [[iPod touch 5G]] ([[n78ap]], [[n78aap]])<br />
* [[iPad]]<br />
** iPad ([[k48ap]])<br />
** [[iPad 2]] ([[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 3]] ([[j1ap]], [[j2ap]], [[j2aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 4]] ([[p101ap]], [[p102ap]], [[p103ap]])<br />
** [[iPad Air]] ([[j71ap]], [[j72ap]], [[j73ap]])<br />
* [[iPad mini]]<br />
** [[iPad mini 1G]] ([[p105ap]], [[p106ap]], [[p107ap]])<br />
** [[iPad mini 2G]] ([[j85ap]], [[j86ap]], [[j87ap]])<br />
* [[Apple TV]]<br />
** Apple TV 2G ([[k66ap]])<br />
** [[Apple TV 3G]] ([[j33ap]], [[j33iap]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Application Processor]]s ====<br />
* [[S5L8900]] ([[m68ap|iPhone 2G]], [[n45ap|iPod touch 1G]], [[n82ap|iPhone 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8720]] ([[n72ap|iPod touch 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8920]] ([[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]])<br />
* [[S5L8922]] ([[n18ap|iPod touch 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8930]] A4 ([[k48ap|iPad]], [[iPhone 4]], [[n81ap|iPod touch 4G]], [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8940]] A5 ([[iPad 2]], [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[S5L8942]] A5 Rev A ([[j33ap|Apple TV 3G]], [[k93aap|iPad 2 (iPad2,4)]], [[iPod touch 5G]], [[iPad mini 1G]])<br />
* [[S5L8945]] A5X ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8947]] A5 Rev B ([[j33iap|Apple TV 3G (AppleTV3,2)]])<br />
* [[S5L8950]] A6 ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPhone 5c]])<br />
* [[S5L8955]] A6X ([[iPad 4]])<br />
* [[S5L8960]] A7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8965]] A7 Variant ([[iPad Air]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Baseband Device]]s ====<br />
* [[S-Gold 2|PMB8876 or S-Gold 2]] ([[m68ap|iPhone]])<br />
* [[X-Gold 608|PMB8878 or X-Gold 608]] ([[n82ap|iPhone 3G]], [[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]], [[k48ap|iPad]])<br />
* [[XMM 6180|XMM6180 or X-Gold 618]] ([[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap|iPhone3,1]] and [[n90bap|iPhone3,2]]), [[k94ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,2)]])<br />
* [[MDM6600]] ([[n92ap|iPhone 4 (iPhone3,3)]], [[k95ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,3)]])<br />
* [[MDM6610]] ([[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[MDM9x00]] ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[MDM9615]] ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPad 4]], [[iPad mini 1G]], [[iPhone 5c]], [[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Motion Processor|Motion Co-processors]] ====<br />
* [[LPC18A1]] M7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
<br />
==== WLAN/[[Bluetooth]] ====<br />
* [[Marvell 88x8686]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 4]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 6]]<br />
* [[BCM4325]]<br />
* [[BCM4329]]<br />
* [[BCM4330]]<br />
* [[BCM4334]]<br />
* [[BCM43342]]<br />
<br />
==== [[Compass.app|Compass]] ====<br />
* [[AKM8973]]<br />
* [[AKM8975]]<br />
* [[AK8963]]<br />
<br />
==== Other ====<br />
* [[Accelerometer]]<br />
* [[Gyroscope]]: [[AGD1 2022 FP6AQ]]<br />
* Connectors: [[30-pin Connector|30-pin]], [[Lightning Connector|Lightning]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Development ==<br />
==== [[:Category:Hackers|iPhone Hackers]] ====<br />
* [[User:comex|comex]]<br />
* [[User:geohot|geohot]]<br />
* [[User:MuscleNerd|MuscleNerd]]<br />
* [[User:planetbeing|planetbeing]]<br />
* [[User:posixninja|posixninja]]<br />
* [[User:pod2g|pod2g]]<br />
* [[Pimskeks]]<br />
* [[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
* [[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
* [[saurik]]<br />
* [[User:chpwn|chpwn]]<br />
<br />
==== iPhone Hacker Teams ====<br />
* [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev]]<br />
* [[iPhone Dev Team]]<br />
* [[Dream Team]]<br />
* [[Evad3rs|evad3rs]]<br />
<br />
==== Application Development ====<br />
* [[Apple Certification Process]]<br />
* [[Bypassing iPhone Code Signatures]]<br />
* [[Distribution Methods]]<br />
* [[/System/Library/Frameworks|Frameworks]]<br />
* [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Mobile Substrate]]<br />
* [[Toolchain]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [[Toolchain 2.0]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [http://iphonedevwiki.net iPhoneDevWiki]<br />
<br />
==== Application Copy Protection ====<br />
* [[Application Structure and Signatures]]<br />
* [[Bugging Debuggers]]<br />
* [[Copy Protection Overview]]<br />
* [[Defeating Cracks]]<br />
* [[Mach-O Loading Process]]<br />
<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Help ==<br />
==== Guides ====<br />
* [[Tutorials]]<br />
* [[Useful Links]]<br />
<br />
==== Definitions ====<br />
* [[Activation]] and [[Hacktivation]]<br />
* [[ASLR]]<br />
* [[Baseband Device|Baseband]]<br />
* [[Baseband Bootloader|Bootloader]]<br />
* [[Bootchain]]<br />
* [[Bootrom]] / [[VROM]]<br />
* [[Bricked]]<br />
* [[CHIPID]]<br />
* [[DFU Mode]]<br />
* [[Failbreak]]<br />
* [[iBEC]]<br />
* [[iBoot (Bootloader)|iBoot]]<br />
* [[iBSS]]<br />
* [[IMG3 File Format|IMG3]] tags<br />
** [[BORD]]<br />
** [[CERT]]<br />
** [[CHIP]]<br />
** [[CPID]]<br />
** [[DATA]]<br />
** [[ECID]]<br />
** [[KBAG]]<br />
** [[PROD]]<br />
** [[SDOM]]<br />
** [[SEPO]]<br />
** [[SHSH]]<br />
** [[TYPE]]<br />
** [[VERS]]<br />
* [[Jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Tethered jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Untethered jailbreak]]<br />
* [[Kernel]]<br />
* [[launchd]]<br />
* [[LLB]]<br />
* [[NAND]]<br />
* [[NOR]]<br />
* [[NORID]]<br />
* [[Unlock]]<br />
* [[Userland]]<br />
|}<br />
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<br />
== [[Jailbreak|Jailbreak Status]] ==<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:1em; width:100%;"<br />
|-<br />
! style="width:15%;" | [[Models|Device]]<br />
! [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]]<br />
! [[Apple TV 3G]]<br />
! [[iPad 2]] and newer<br />[[iPad mini 1G]] and newer<br />[[iPhone 4]] and newer<br /> [[iPod touch 5G]]<br />
|-<br />
! Latest [[firmware]]<br />
| colspan="2" | 6.2/7.1.2 <small>(11D257c)</small><br />
| 7.1.2 <small>(11D257)</small><br />
|-<br />
! style="height:3em;" | [[Jailbreak]] available?<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{yes}}<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Software ==<br />
* [[Apple Internal Apps]]<br />
* [[:Category:File Formats|File formats]]<br />
* [[/|Filesystem]]<br />
* [[Firmware]]<br />
** [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
** [[OTA Updates]]<br />
* [[iTunes]]<br />
** [[iTunes Errors]]<br />
** [[iTunes Modes]]<br />
** [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Keys]]<br />
** [[AES Keys]]<br />
** [[CERT|Apple Certificate]]<br />
** [[Baseband RSA Keys|RSA Keys]]<br />
** [[Baseband TEA Keys|TEA Keys]]<br />
** [[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*** [[Decrypting Firmwares]]<br />
** [[GID Key]]<br />
** [[NCK]]<br />
* [[Protocols]]<br />
** [[Baseband Bootrom Protocol]]<br />
** [[DFU (Protocol)|DFU]]<br />
** [[Interactive Mode|Baseband Bootloader Protocol]]<br />
** [[Normal Mode]]<br />
** [[Recovery Mode (Protocols)|Recovery Mode]]<br />
** [[Restore Mode]]<br />
* [[System Log|System Log (syslog)]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Jailbreaks|Jailbreak Software]] ====<br />
* [[Absinthe]]<br />
* [[blackra1n]]<br />
* [[Corona]]<br />
* [[evasi0n]]<br />
* [[evasi0n7]]<br />
* [[Geeksn0w]]<br />
* [[Greenpois0n (jailbreak)|greenpois0n]]<br />
* [[JailbreakMe]]<br />
* [[limera1n]]<br />
* [[Pangu]]<br />
* [[p0sixspwn]]<br />
* [[PwnageTool]]<br />
* [[redsn0w]]<br />
* [[Rocky Racoon]]<br />
* [[Seas0nPass]]<br />
* [[sn0wbreeze]]<br />
* [[Spirit]]<br />
* [[unthredera1n]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] ====<br />
* [[Kernel Patches|Kernel]]<br />
** [[AMFI Binary Trust Cache Patch]]<br />
** [[PE i can has debugger Patch]]<br />
** [[Sandbox Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map enter Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map protect Patch]]<br />
* [[:Category:Ramdisk Patches|Ramdisk]]: [[ASR]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Exploits|Vulnerabilities and Exploits]] ====<br />
* [[0x24000 Segment Overflow]] (24kpwn)<br />
* [[BPF STX Kernel Write Exploit]]<br />
* [[CVE-2013-0964]]<br />
* [[HFS Heap Overflow]]<br />
* [[HFS Legacy Volume Name Stack Buffer Overflow]] (feedface)<br />
* [[Incomplete Codesign Exploit]]<br />
* [[IOSurface Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Limera1n Exploit]]<br />
* [[Malformed CFF Vulnerability]]<br />
* [[MobileBackup Copy Exploit]]<br />
* [[ndrv_setspec() Integer Overflow]]<br />
* [[Packet Filter Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Racoon String Format Overflow Exploit]]<br />
* [[SHA-1 Image Segment Overflow]] (SHAtter)<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0x21, 2) Exploit]]<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit]] (steaks4uce)<br />
* [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]]<br />
<br />
====Various Software====<br />
* [[Cydia.app|Cydia]]<br />
* [[EDA]]<br />
* [[iDroid]]<br />
* [[iFaith]]<br />
* [[iPhone Tracker]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore7]]<br />
* [[TinyUmbrella]]<br />
<br />
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== Hardware ==<br />
==== Devices ====<br />
{{see also|Models|Prototypes}}<br />
* [[iPhone]]<br />
** iPhone ([[m68ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3G ([[n82ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3GS ([[n88ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]])<br />
** iPhone 4S ([[n94ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5]] ([[n41ap]], [[n42ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5c]] ([[n48ap]], [[n49ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5s]] ([[n51ap]], [[n53ap]])<br />
* [[iPod touch]]<br />
** iPod touch ([[n45ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 2G ([[n72ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 3G ([[n18ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 4G ([[n81ap]])<br />
** [[iPod touch 5G]] ([[n78ap]], [[n78aap]])<br />
* [[iPad]]<br />
** iPad ([[k48ap]])<br />
** [[iPad 2]] ([[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 3]] ([[j1ap]], [[j2ap]], [[j2aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 4]] ([[p101ap]], [[p102ap]], [[p103ap]])<br />
** [[iPad Air]] ([[j71ap]], [[j72ap]], [[j73ap]])<br />
* [[iPad mini]]<br />
** [[iPad mini 1G]] ([[p105ap]], [[p106ap]], [[p107ap]])<br />
** [[iPad mini 2G]] ([[j85ap]], [[j86ap]], [[j87ap]])<br />
* [[Apple TV]]<br />
** Apple TV 2G ([[k66ap]])<br />
** [[Apple TV 3G]] ([[j33ap]], [[j33iap]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Application Processor]]s ====<br />
* [[S5L8900]] ([[m68ap|iPhone 2G]], [[n45ap|iPod touch 1G]], [[n82ap|iPhone 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8720]] ([[n72ap|iPod touch 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8920]] ([[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]])<br />
* [[S5L8922]] ([[n18ap|iPod touch 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8930]] A4 ([[k48ap|iPad]], [[iPhone 4]], [[n81ap|iPod touch 4G]], [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8940]] A5 ([[iPad 2]], [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[S5L8942]] A5 Rev A ([[j33ap|Apple TV 3G]], [[k93aap|iPad 2 (iPad2,4)]], [[iPod touch 5G]], [[iPad mini 1G]])<br />
* [[S5L8945]] A5X ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8947]] A5 Rev B ([[j33iap|Apple TV 3G (AppleTV3,2)]])<br />
* [[S5L8950]] A6 ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPhone 5c]])<br />
* [[S5L8955]] A6X ([[iPad 4]])<br />
* [[S5L8960]] A7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8965]] A7 Variant ([[iPad Air]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Baseband Device]]s ====<br />
* [[S-Gold 2|PMB8876 or S-Gold 2]] ([[m68ap|iPhone]])<br />
* [[X-Gold 608|PMB8878 or X-Gold 608]] ([[n82ap|iPhone 3G]], [[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]], [[k48ap|iPad]])<br />
* [[XMM 6180|XMM6180 or X-Gold 618]] ([[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap|iPhone3,1]] and [[n90bap|iPhone3,2]]), [[k94ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,2)]])<br />
* [[MDM6600]] ([[n92ap|iPhone 4 (iPhone3,3)]], [[k95ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,3)]])<br />
* [[MDM6610]] ([[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[MDM9x00]] ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[MDM9615]] ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPad 4]], [[iPad mini 1G]], [[iPhone 5c]], [[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Motion Processor|Motion Co-processors]] ====<br />
* [[LPC18A1]] M7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
<br />
==== WLAN/[[Bluetooth]] ====<br />
* [[Marvell 88x8686]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 4]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 6]]<br />
* [[BCM4325]]<br />
* [[BCM4329]]<br />
* [[BCM4330]]<br />
* [[BCM4334]]<br />
* [[BCM43342]]<br />
<br />
==== [[Compass.app|Compass]] ====<br />
* [[AKM8973]]<br />
* [[AKM8975]]<br />
* [[AK8963]]<br />
<br />
==== Other ====<br />
* [[Accelerometer]]<br />
* [[Gyroscope]]: [[AGD1 2022 FP6AQ]]<br />
* Connectors: [[30-pin Connector|30-pin]], [[Lightning Connector|Lightning]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Development ==<br />
==== [[:Category:Hackers|iPhone Hackers]] ====<br />
* [[User:comex|comex]]<br />
* [[User:geohot|geohot]]<br />
* [[User:MuscleNerd|MuscleNerd]]<br />
* [[User:planetbeing|planetbeing]]<br />
* [[User:posixninja|posixninja]]<br />
* [[User:pod2g|pod2g]]<br />
* [[Pimskeks]]<br />
* [[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
* [[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
* [[saurik]]<br />
* [[User:chpwn|chpwn]]<br />
<br />
==== iPhone Hacker Teams ====<br />
* [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev]]<br />
* [[iPhone Dev Team]]<br />
* [[Dream Team]]<br />
* [[Evad3rs|evad3rs]]<br />
<br />
==== Application Development ====<br />
* [[Apple Certification Process]]<br />
* [[Bypassing iPhone Code Signatures]]<br />
* [[Distribution Methods]]<br />
* [[/System/Library/Frameworks|Frameworks]]<br />
* [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Mobile Substrate]]<br />
* [[Toolchain]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [[Toolchain 2.0]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [http://iphonedevwiki.net iPhoneDevWiki]<br />
<br />
==== Application Copy Protection ====<br />
* [[Application Structure and Signatures]]<br />
* [[Bugging Debuggers]]<br />
* [[Copy Protection Overview]]<br />
* [[Defeating Cracks]]<br />
* [[Mach-O Loading Process]]<br />
<br />
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== Help ==<br />
==== Guides ====<br />
* [[Tutorials]]<br />
* [[Useful Links]]<br />
<br />
==== Definitions ====<br />
* [[Activation]] and [[Hacktivation]]<br />
* [[ASLR]]<br />
* [[Baseband Device|Baseband]]<br />
* [[Baseband Bootloader|Bootloader]]<br />
* [[Bootchain]]<br />
* [[Bootrom]] / [[VROM]]<br />
* [[Bricked]]<br />
* [[CHIPID]]<br />
* [[DFU Mode]]<br />
* [[Failbreak]]<br />
* [[iBEC]]<br />
* [[iBoot (Bootloader)|iBoot]]<br />
* [[iBSS]]<br />
* [[IMG3 File Format|IMG3]] tags<br />
** [[BORD]]<br />
** [[CERT]]<br />
** [[CHIP]]<br />
** [[CPID]]<br />
** [[DATA]]<br />
** [[ECID]]<br />
** [[KBAG]]<br />
** [[PROD]]<br />
** [[SDOM]]<br />
** [[SEPO]]<br />
** [[SHSH]]<br />
** [[TYPE]]<br />
** [[VERS]]<br />
* [[Jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Tethered jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Untethered jailbreak]]<br />
* [[Kernel]]<br />
* [[launchd]]<br />
* [[LLB]]<br />
* [[NAND]]<br />
* [[NOR]]<br />
* [[NORID]]<br />
* [[Unlock]]<br />
* [[Userland]]<br />
|}<br />
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<div style="text-align: center; border: 1px dotted gray;">IF YOU CAN SEE THIS, YOU AREN'T IN CANADA YET</div><br />
{{:Main Page/Welcome}}<br />
<br />
== [[Jailbreak|Jailbreak Status]] ==<br />
{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:1em; width:100%;"<br />
|-<br />
! style="width:15%;" | [[Models|Device]]<br />
! [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]]<br />
! [[Apple TV 3G]]<br />
! [[iPad 2]] and newer<br />[[iPad mini 1G]] and newer<br />[[iPhone 4]] and newer<br /> [[iPod touch 5G]]<br />
|-<br />
! Latest [[firmware]]<br />
| colspan="2" | 6.2/7.1.2 <small>(11D257c)</small><br />
| 7.1.2 <small>(11D257)</small><br />
|-<br />
! style="height:3em;" | [[Jailbreak]] available?<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{yes}}<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Software ==<br />
* [[Apple Internal Apps]]<br />
* [[:Category:File Formats|File formats]]<br />
* [[/|Filesystem]]<br />
* [[Firmware]]<br />
** [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
** [[OTA Updates]]<br />
* [[iTunes]]<br />
** [[iTunes Errors]]<br />
** [[iTunes Modes]]<br />
** [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Keys]]<br />
** [[AES Keys]]<br />
** [[CERT|Apple Certificate]]<br />
** [[Baseband RSA Keys|RSA Keys]]<br />
** [[Baseband TEA Keys|TEA Keys]]<br />
** [[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*** [[Decrypting Firmwares]]<br />
** [[GID Key]]<br />
** [[NCK]]<br />
* [[Protocols]]<br />
** [[Baseband Bootrom Protocol]]<br />
** [[DFU (Protocol)|DFU]]<br />
** [[Interactive Mode|Baseband Bootloader Protocol]]<br />
** [[Normal Mode]]<br />
** [[Recovery Mode (Protocols)|Recovery Mode]]<br />
** [[Restore Mode]]<br />
* [[System Log|System Log (syslog)]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Jailbreaks|Jailbreak Software]] ====<br />
* [[Absinthe]]<br />
* [[blackra1n]]<br />
* [[Corona]]<br />
* [[evasi0n]]<br />
* [[evasi0n7]]<br />
* [[Geeksn0w]]<br />
* [[Greenpois0n (jailbreak)|greenpois0n]]<br />
* [[JailbreakMe]]<br />
* [[limera1n]]<br />
* [[Pangu]]<br />
* [[p0sixspwn]]<br />
* [[PwnageTool]]<br />
* [[redsn0w]]<br />
* [[Rocky Racoon]]<br />
* [[Seas0nPass]]<br />
* [[sn0wbreeze]]<br />
* [[Spirit]]<br />
* [[unthredera1n]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] ====<br />
* [[Kernel Patches|Kernel]]<br />
** [[AMFI Binary Trust Cache Patch]]<br />
** [[PE i can has debugger Patch]]<br />
** [[Sandbox Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map enter Patch]]<br />
** [[Vm map protect Patch]]<br />
* [[:Category:Ramdisk Patches|Ramdisk]]: [[ASR]]<br />
<br />
==== [[:Category:Exploits|Vulnerabilities and Exploits]] ====<br />
* [[0x24000 Segment Overflow]] (24kpwn)<br />
* [[BPF STX Kernel Write Exploit]]<br />
* [[CVE-2013-0964]]<br />
* [[HFS Heap Overflow]]<br />
* [[HFS Legacy Volume Name Stack Buffer Overflow]] (feedface)<br />
* [[Incomplete Codesign Exploit]]<br />
* [[IOSurface Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Limera1n Exploit]]<br />
* [[Malformed CFF Vulnerability]]<br />
* [[MobileBackup Copy Exploit]]<br />
* [[ndrv_setspec() Integer Overflow]]<br />
* [[Packet Filter Kernel Exploit]]<br />
* [[Racoon String Format Overflow Exploit]]<br />
* [[SHA-1 Image Segment Overflow]] (SHAtter)<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0x21, 2) Exploit]]<br />
* [[usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit]] (steaks4uce)<br />
* [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]]<br />
<br />
====Various Software====<br />
* [[Cydia.app|Cydia]]<br />
* [[EDA]]<br />
* [[iDroid]]<br />
* [[iFaith]]<br />
* [[iPhone Tracker]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore]]<br />
* [[SemiRestore7]]<br />
* [[TinyUmbrella]]<br />
<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Hardware ==<br />
==== Devices ====<br />
{{see also|Models|Prototypes}}<br />
* [[iPhone]]<br />
** iPhone ([[m68ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3G ([[n82ap]])<br />
** iPhone 3GS ([[n88ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]])<br />
** iPhone 4S ([[n94ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5]] ([[n41ap]], [[n42ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5c]] ([[n48ap]], [[n49ap]])<br />
** [[iPhone 5s]] ([[n51ap]], [[n53ap]])<br />
* [[iPod touch]]<br />
** iPod touch ([[n45ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 2G ([[n72ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 3G ([[n18ap]])<br />
** iPod touch 4G ([[n81ap]])<br />
** [[iPod touch 5G]] ([[n78ap]], [[n78aap]])<br />
* [[iPad]]<br />
** iPad ([[k48ap]])<br />
** [[iPad 2]] ([[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 3]] ([[j1ap]], [[j2ap]], [[j2aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 4]] ([[p101ap]], [[p102ap]], [[p103ap]])<br />
** [[iPad Air]] ([[j71ap]], [[j72ap]], [[j73ap]])<br />
* [[iPad mini]]<br />
** [[iPad mini 1G]] ([[p105ap]], [[p106ap]], [[p107ap]])<br />
** [[iPad mini 2G]] ([[j85ap]], [[j86ap]], [[j87ap]])<br />
* [[Apple TV]]<br />
** Apple TV 2G ([[k66ap]])<br />
** [[Apple TV 3G]] ([[j33ap]], [[j33iap]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Application Processor]]s ====<br />
* [[S5L8900]] ([[m68ap|iPhone 2G]], [[n45ap|iPod touch 1G]], [[n82ap|iPhone 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8720]] ([[n72ap|iPod touch 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8920]] ([[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]])<br />
* [[S5L8922]] ([[n18ap|iPod touch 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8930]] A4 ([[k48ap|iPad]], [[iPhone 4]], [[n81ap|iPod touch 4G]], [[k66ap|Apple TV 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8940]] A5 ([[iPad 2]], [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[S5L8942]] A5 Rev A ([[j33ap|Apple TV 3G]], [[k93aap|iPad 2 (iPad2,4)]], [[iPod touch 5G]], [[iPad mini 1G]])<br />
* [[S5L8945]] A5X ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8947]] A5 Rev B ([[j33iap|Apple TV 3G (AppleTV3,2)]])<br />
* [[S5L8950]] A6 ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPhone 5c]])<br />
* [[S5L8955]] A6X ([[iPad 4]])<br />
* [[S5L8960]] A7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8965]] A7 Variant ([[iPad Air]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Baseband Device]]s ====<br />
* [[S-Gold 2|PMB8876 or S-Gold 2]] ([[m68ap|iPhone]])<br />
* [[X-Gold 608|PMB8878 or X-Gold 608]] ([[n82ap|iPhone 3G]], [[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]], [[k48ap|iPad]])<br />
* [[XMM 6180|XMM6180 or X-Gold 618]] ([[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap|iPhone3,1]] and [[n90bap|iPhone3,2]]), [[k94ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,2)]])<br />
* [[MDM6600]] ([[n92ap|iPhone 4 (iPhone3,3)]], [[k95ap|iPad 2 (iPad2,3)]])<br />
* [[MDM6610]] ([[n94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[MDM9x00]] ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[MDM9615]] ([[iPhone 5]], [[iPad 4]], [[iPad mini 1G]], [[iPhone 5c]], [[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
<br />
==== [[Motion Processor|Motion Co-processors]] ====<br />
* [[LPC18A1]] M7 ([[iPhone 5s]], [[iPad Air]], [[iPad mini 2G]])<br />
<br />
==== WLAN/[[Bluetooth]] ====<br />
* [[Marvell 88x8686]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 4]]<br />
* [[BlueCore 6]]<br />
* [[BCM4325]]<br />
* [[BCM4329]]<br />
* [[BCM4330]]<br />
* [[BCM4334]]<br />
* [[BCM43342]]<br />
<br />
==== [[Compass.app|Compass]] ====<br />
* [[AKM8973]]<br />
* [[AKM8975]]<br />
* [[AK8963]]<br />
<br />
==== Other ====<br />
* [[Accelerometer]]<br />
* [[Gyroscope]]: [[AGD1 2022 FP6AQ]]<br />
* Connectors: [[30-pin Connector|30-pin]], [[Lightning Connector|Lightning]]<br />
|}<br />
<br />
{| style="width:100%"<br />
|-<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Development ==<br />
==== [[:Category:Hackers|iPhone Hackers]] ====<br />
* [[User:comex|comex]]<br />
* [[User:geohot|geohot]]<br />
* [[User:MuscleNerd|MuscleNerd]]<br />
* [[User:planetbeing|planetbeing]]<br />
* [[User:posixninja|posixninja]]<br />
* [[User:pod2g|pod2g]]<br />
* [[Pimskeks]]<br />
* [[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
* [[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
* [[saurik]]<br />
* [[User:chpwn|chpwn]]<br />
<br />
==== iPhone Hacker Teams ====<br />
* [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev]]<br />
* [[iPhone Dev Team]]<br />
* [[Dream Team]]<br />
* [[Evad3rs|evad3rs]]<br />
<br />
==== Application Development ====<br />
* [[Apple Certification Process]]<br />
* [[Bypassing iPhone Code Signatures]]<br />
* [[Distribution Methods]]<br />
* [[/System/Library/Frameworks|Frameworks]]<br />
* [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Mobile Substrate]]<br />
* [[Toolchain]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [[Toolchain 2.0]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [http://iphonedevwiki.net iPhoneDevWiki]<br />
<br />
==== Application Copy Protection ====<br />
* [[Application Structure and Signatures]]<br />
* [[Bugging Debuggers]]<br />
* [[Copy Protection Overview]]<br />
* [[Defeating Cracks]]<br />
* [[Mach-O Loading Process]]<br />
<br />
| style="width:50%; text-align:left; vertical-align:text-top;" | <br />
== Help ==<br />
==== Guides ====<br />
* [[Tutorials]]<br />
* [[Useful Links]]<br />
<br />
==== Definitions ====<br />
* [[Activation]] and [[Hacktivation]]<br />
* [[ASLR]]<br />
* [[Baseband Device|Baseband]]<br />
* [[Baseband Bootloader|Bootloader]]<br />
* [[Bootchain]]<br />
* [[Bootrom]] / [[VROM]]<br />
* [[Bricked]]<br />
* [[CHIPID]]<br />
* [[DFU Mode]]<br />
* [[Failbreak]]<br />
* [[iBEC]]<br />
* [[iBoot (Bootloader)|iBoot]]<br />
* [[iBSS]]<br />
* [[IMG3 File Format|IMG3]] tags<br />
** [[BORD]]<br />
** [[CERT]]<br />
** [[CHIP]]<br />
** [[CPID]]<br />
** [[DATA]]<br />
** [[ECID]]<br />
** [[KBAG]]<br />
** [[PROD]]<br />
** [[SDOM]]<br />
** [[SEPO]]<br />
** [[SHSH]]<br />
** [[TYPE]]<br />
** [[VERS]]<br />
* [[Jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Tethered jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Untethered jailbreak]]<br />
* [[Kernel]]<br />
* [[launchd]]<br />
* [[LLB]]<br />
* [[NAND]]<br />
* [[NOR]]<br />
* [[NORID]]<br />
* [[Unlock]]<br />
* [[Userland]]<br />
|}<br />
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{{see also|Unsolved problems}}<br />
==iPhone-Elite==<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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==Boot-args cleanup==<br />
We need to clean up the boot-args pages. First the technical part: What I understand is that iBoot loads the kernel. And when loading it, it can pass some parameters to select certain behavior. So this only works with an iBoot or bootrom exploit. I understand that in earlier firmware versions there was simply an iBoot variable, but that doesn't exist or work anymore, now passing theses args requires a different or patched iBoot. There are various parameters in different kernel versions. The description for these arguments is scattered over various places:<br />
*[[Kernel#Boot-Args]] A section with the latest boot arguments list. This should be a short introduction and having a link "main article".<br />
*[[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] separate page for boot arguments, but mainly for the iBoot variable that doesn't exist any longer<br />
*[{{FULLURL:Boot arguments|redirect=no}} Boot arguments] (redirect)<br />
*[[:Talk:Restore_Mode]] describing the iBoot variable problem<br />
*Various pages referencing boot-args, like [[Research: Re-allowing unsigned ramdisks and boot-args with the 2.* iBoot]] (here we should have a link on the second title)<br />
*My earlier comment [[:Talk:Kernel#boot-args]]<br />
*This comment here.<br />
So what do we want to do about this mess? I suggest to move the current [[Kernel]] content to the redirect page [[Boot arguments]] (or to another new page, maybe [[boot-args]]). The current content of [[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] and all other content should get merged into there. Then change all references to this new page and on the [[Kernel]] page write just something short with "main article there". What do you think? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 21:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I like [[Boot Arguments]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 02:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::One addition: Maybe we should use [[boot-args]] as the main page, because all links are written like that. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 07:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==The iPhone Wiki re-design==<br />
The design of the iPhone wiki is now quite old and I think it should be updated. I made a [http://oi42.tinypic.com/30ib9y8.jpg concept]. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I disagree. If anything add an iPhone 5 to the logo but everything else is ok. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I wouldn't change the logo to an iPhone 5, especially with iOS 7 and a new iPhone (that will probably look the same as the 5, admittedly) around the corner. I contemplated updating the CSS for iOS 7's UI but decided not to because of the UI's supposed volatility (during the beta period) and I don't have a live version to toy around with. (I personally don't like its current state, but that's not a factor in why I'm not changing it yet.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Can we not do flat? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 21:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::This is what I was thinking. When iOS 7 finally comes out, we could change the CSS to look like that instead. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::iOS 7 looks ugly. We do not want it like that. Maybe a bit more modern but nothing much. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::''You'' may not want it like that. That's your opinion. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::We could make a poll, and see if most users agree or disagree. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:The idea looks nice. But before we make any changes, let's wait until iOS7 comes out. And I'd prefer to just add another skin instead (if possible). I'm still using the classic MonoBook skin by the way. You shouldn't impose design changes to everyone. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::The problem with skins is that geohot needs to set them up... An idea I have is that we copy the Vector skin verbatim to a new skin (<code>iOS6</code>) and move the modifications (not general stuff) to [[Mediawiki:iOS6.css]]. Then we can do another verbatim copy to <code>iOS7</code> and modify [[Mediawiki:iOS7.css]]. We could then set the default skin to either <code>iOS6</code> or <code>iOS7</code> so you don't need to be logged in to see them like currently. Then if someone doesn't like them, like you, just change your settings to your preferred skin. The only way around needing geohot is if he opens up the credentials to FTP or whatever to someone. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:5urd|5urd]]'s suggestion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:29, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
What about just removing the text-shadow element for now? I think pages would be easier to read without it. Here's an example: [[:File:Noshadow.png]]. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah removing the shadow will make everything seem more flat but like [[User:http|http]] I'm still using the classic [http://theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=monobook MonoBook skin] --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 21:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Hacker page==<br />
I would like to be added to the list of hackers for my work with the Private Dev Team and the [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev Team]] in addition to my release of the Phoenix Semi-Untethered. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Did you find any exploits? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 18:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::No. [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]], a team member found the vulnerability. I am the one who exploited it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]])<br />
:::I can back up this "claim". I was a part of it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Whatever happened to this? --[[User:Phyrrus9|phyrrus9]]<br />
:::::So this went cold and i am going to again request that this change be made. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm gonna say no. I don't see any notable accomplishments to merit this. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 21:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::'''No'''. The first step would be to get to the category [[:Category:Hackers|hackers]]. You can get there by finding a vulnerability that is used with an exploit in a jailbreak - or by writing a new exploit. Remember that it's not allowed to add yourself to that category. Instead of finding a vulnerability you could also be member of either The [[iPhone Dev Team]] or [[Chronic Dev]] or [[evad3rs]]. After being in that category, the next step would be that you're famous enough from all those hackers there to get to the main page. The people chosen are discussed here. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Orphaned articles==<br />
This is an interesting search: [[Special:LonelyPages]] - "The following pages are not linked from or transcluded into other pages in The iPhone Wiki." I'm not sure where all of those articles should be linked, but figuring that out could be a useful project for somebody. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 05:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Easy tasks for new editors==<br />
* Finish converting the remaining error codes listed here [[MobileDevice_Library#Known_Error_Codes]] into the proper mach_return_t codes they should be displayed as. (convert the negative number listed into hex, strip any leading "FF" so it should be in the format "0xe80000" followed by two numbers) --[[User:Dirkg|Dirkg]] ([[User talk:Dirkg|talk]]) 22:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A1XXX model numbers vs. "GSM"/"CDMA"/"Global"/"Cellular"/etc. ==<br />
I know that this topic was [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal/2013#iPhone 5|already discussed earlier this year]], but it didn't seem to come to a consensus, and the introduction of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] brought a lot of model numbers. Some of them may "overlap" (think models A1429 and A1442 for the [[iPhone 5]]), but there's simply too many to give names to. There are at least two that can connect to CDMA networks, and all of them can connect to GSM. In addition, with the sheer amount of models, it doesn't seem likely for one model to be treated as a "global" model. Therefore, I changed the iPhone 5c to use model numbers. I would like to do the same to some of the devices that are already present on the wiki though— the same ones from when I first brought up this idea. The GSM/CDMA names work very well for the [[iPad 2]] and [[iPhone 4]]. Things are slightly murkier for the [[iPad 3|iPad (3rd gen.)]], [[iPad 4|iPad (4th gen.)]], [[iPad mini 1G]], and [[iPhone 5]] though; all of those devices' cellular models can connect to GSM networks, so it seems like nonsense to call some of them the "GSM model." The A1XXX model numbers are also how Apple tells the difference between the different models of these devices. Have any opinions changed? Or perhaps someone new might have something to say about this? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 06:06, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I actually like the idea as it does get complicated now with the new devices coming like said and we would have to do this for all devices. Although, if we did this, we would have to move all the key pages that have keys on to support this. That would not be a big problem as we could limit the moves to say 20 per day. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I suggest we wait a bit until we see what models of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] will exist. But in general, I like the idea of using only the A1nnn numbers. The only issue I see right now is that Apple differentiates between A1532 GSM and A1532 CDMA. If there are real hardware differences between these two, then we're screwed again. That's why I suggest to wait until we know these exact model types. On the disambiguation page I added the GSM/CDMA model differentiation already (as Apple does). If they turn out to be the same, we can remove it again, but I wonder why Apple lists two models (with different bands supported) there now. Someone also added the "CDMA" mark to one of the others, but that's not how Apple marks them, so I suggest to remove that mark there again. If everything can be differentiated by these A-model-numbers, then yes, we should change the old pages too. Including all key pages. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:44, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do know there are 2 CDMA and 3-4 GSM for the [[iPhone 5c]] alone. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ahem… ''All'' of the iPhone 5c models can do GSM communications. Hence one of the reasons why I want to ditch the "GSM"/"Global"/etc. labels in favor of A1XXX model numbers. ;P --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::One thing is, what about iPod touch 5 as that has two model numbers that are the same device, same with iPhone5,2. How would we get around that? I suppose we could like both separated with a forward slash. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah, we could just use something like "[[n42ap|iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)]]." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 22:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yeah I thought that but what about the iPhone 4 GSM and GSM Rev A? They both seem to be A1432. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:10, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::This is why I'm against using the A1XXX model numbers instead of the current GSM/Global thing. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I had no plans to change the way we refer to the iPhone 4 or iPad 2 (Apple does use GSM/CDMA, and for those devices it works fine). If a new iPhone 5S revision comes along, Apple will probably refer to it as a "Rev A" thing, and so will we. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Referencing Adam's reply above, if we had took that to the key pages, it'd be <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432)]]</code> which would mess ''everything'' up. What could we do? Use <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432 Rev A)]]</code>? No. That doesn't look good. The current way of referring to everything by their supported network type (GSM/CDMA/Global) helps in going to a different page.<br />
:Let's say I'm on [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 GSM)]] and I want to go the CDMA device. What do I do? Go to the URL and replace <code>GSM</code> with <code>CDMA</code>. With the model numbers, I'd have to navigate to [[Firmware]], then find the link, or find out what the model number of the CDMA variant is and replace the model number in the URL with that.<br /><br />
:Ok, who navigates by the URL and search bar? ''I do''. And I'm sure there's '''many''' people out there that prefer to navigate with the search bar if they know the page name. If we go by model number, the AJAX search results just list pages with a model number in parenthesis. '''How does that help'''? I'd either have to ''know'' the model number of the device I want, or visit ''each one'' until I find the page I need.<br />
:Sorry for the rant, but I am '''strongly''' against this. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do suppose we could just trash the buildtrain all together to shorten it down too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Dropping the Build Train would only ''increase'' the workload. Besides, what's the harm with it? We've been using the same page title structure since forever, and it's worked. "''If it ain't broke, don't fix it''". The current system works, so ''why'', other than the fact that Apple refers to them differently, should we change this? In addition, we don't refer to everything the way Apple does. The [[iPad mini 1G]] is referred to as the "iPad mini". The [[iPad 3]] is refered to as "The New iPad". The [[iPad 4]] is refered to as "iPad with Retina Display"<sup class="plainlinks">[http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/]</sup>. Are the key pages titled <code>BrightonMaps 10B329 (The New iPad, Wi-Fi+3G for AT&T and Verizon)</code>? No. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::But the reason we want to not use the variants is because the new devices that are coming out are breaking he structure and also CDMA versions can use GSM in the 5c plus we have like 4 for GSM alone. I only meant drop buildtrain to shorten the urls down. For the iPhone 4 GSM Rev A we would have to list it as <code>iPhone 4 A1432 Rev</code> unless another idea is thought of. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:55, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::No. Anything involving moving key pages to change their title I am ''completely'' against. As for the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c, we ultimately have to wait. There may be different types, but if they all work with the same firmware, then what do we do then? Use <code>A1456/A1504</code>? I don't want to do that. It can get confusing in the future if that list were to be huge. With ''5'' different models for the iPhone 5c ''alone'', it's just not practical. For the fact that all support GSM, but not all support CDMA, we just do what we've ''been'' doing: "GSM" and "Global". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::There's nothing wrong with changing the titles of pages that don't even exist though. If *all* of the models use the same firmware, just go with "iPhone 5s." If they happen to be partitioned into two different firmwares again, that will certainly complicate things, but it wouldn't be worse than nonsense like "GSM," "GSM [<nowiki />Global]," "CDMA," "CDMA [<nowiki />Global]," or "GSM [<nowiki />Global Plus TD-LTE]." If it's just one oddball, we could just have "iPhone 5s" and "iPhone 5s A1XXX" (whatever the odd one is), and include a link on the former page to say "keys for model A1XXX are on this page." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::I probably didn't phrase that well… I wasn't thinking of how Apple markets the product, but rather more along the lines of how they refer to it in, say, the tech specs page or support documents— the pages that shows the messier side to their simple sugar coating. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You keep misinterpreting/misrepresenting what I'm proposing. I never said anything about dropping, say, "iPhone 5" so firmware page titles would look like [[Sundance 10A405 (A1428)]]. I want to change the GSM/Global part to the A1XXX number, so it would probably show like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428)]]. (If a hardware revision were made, it would probably look like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428 Rev A)]].) From time to time, I edit URLs to browse the wiki too. But the GSM/Global identifiers don't work that well; again, '''all iPhone 5 models can connect to GSM'''. That's not really helpful. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I suggest we drop the A and use Rev. As for the idea of changing to A1XXX, I see no issues and am for the idea. I admit it can cause chaos when we move the pages but we could limit the moving per day of course. Overall, I think it will be worth it. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::No. Don't drop the <code>A</code> from <code>Rev A</code>. Why would you even think to? You want to call them what Apple calls them, and the [[n90bap|revised iPhone 4 GSM]] is referred to with <code>Rev A</code>. In addition, there have been <code>Rev ''B''</code> things before, such as the [[S5L8947]] (A5 Rev B) used in the [[j33iap|revised Apple TV 3G]]. In addition, think of all the redirects we would need to keep for sites that link to key pages directly. I have even seen sites that still link with the URLs as <code>/wiki/index.php?title={Title}</code> instead of the year old change to <code>/wiki/{Title}</code>. The wiki handles that internally for us, but the redirects made in the moves would have to be kept. Currently, only the [[iPhone 5]] and [[iPad 4]] are the only devices referred to by their model numbers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's why I don't want to change it. It's worked for us, and we have no idea how the new firmwares will be handled. I am betting that there will only be two firmware types - one for the GSM, and one for the Global (GSM+CDMA) model. The only reason they are split, IIRC, is because AT&T uses different LTE bands than rest of the GSM world.<br />
:::Ultimately, the GSM/CDMA/Global monikors haven't caused any ''naming conflicts''. Ok, you don't want to use the ''marketing'' title. What about the way they are referred to on [[Apple Developer Center|ADC]], because that seems to be what you want. I may be misreading what you're saying again, but if we're going to do that, let's use their ''full'' title. Something <code>(iPad [4th generation Model A1458])</code> (iPad 4 Wi-Fi) and <code>(iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for Verizon])</code> (iPad 3 Global). Does the first one tell you if the device is Wi-Fi or a Wi-Fi+3G model? Does the second one tell you ''at all'' that it is an [[iPad 3]], or that it supports GSM? No.<br />
:::Apple has a history of being inconsistent. For example, the iPad 3 Wi-Fi is referred to on ADC (and iTunes) as "iPad Wi-Fi (3rd generation)" while the iPad 3 GSM is referred to as "iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for AT&T]". What happened to the "3rd generation"? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::We could always list as <code>iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)</code> etc instead if that would be better. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Why is there a need to explicitly keep "Wi-Fi" in a key page's title? All you need is a way to distinguish what model it is from its other variants— the A1XXX model number does just that. It's not like we referred to the AppleTV3,2 as "Apple TV 3G (New Single-Core A5)" or something. And obviously, we can use common sense to address the 3rd generation iPad issue you brought up… Now you're just nitpicking. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Actually, I think we should wait until we see the firmware for iPhone 5c/5s and then decide. TBH, as [[User:5urd|5urd]] said, it is ok as it is but of course if once the new firmware is out it is more confusing, then we can think again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Come to think of it, we can use a mix of both; we can keep the "Global" moniker, but drop the "GSM" moniker in favor of the A1XXX model number. (The "GSM" moniker is the one that's been bothering me.) I think this works well for the iPad 3 (which is actually split into "CDMA" and "Global—" it probably doesn't need to be done for this), iPad 4, iPad mini 1G, and iPhone 5, but this leaves the question of what to do for the iPhone 5C/5S. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That would look worse! If we are going to do it, we have to do it for '''''all'''''. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::What is the status on this now? --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::This discussion has stagnated, but I'm firing it up again— I want to fix this before the end of the year, so this can probably be seen as an ultimatum. Now that Apple has pushed a 7.1 beta to developers, we now know how Apple's splitting the new iPhones up— and it's by A1XXX model numbers still. :\ That's probably the path the wiki will go down, but I do have another idea. The other idea I have in mind is using the A1XXX model number for the cellular devices launched last year. But for this year's iPhones, the FCC ID is actually different between the two, so we could actually use that. Before this gets nitpicked on, the last letter can get changed to an "X" to signify that it's a wildcard of sorts. It's not a pretty solution so I do expect it to get shot down (hence why I'm going with the A1XXX model numbers unless everyone says otherwise), but I'm still throwing it out there in case everyone actually likes that. Everyone is welcome to suggest alternatives, but I '''will''' eliminate that GSM label before the year ends. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That is worse, nobody knows the FCC ID off the top of their head. I would suggest "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" if anything. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Using "iPhone5,1" or "iPhone6,2" is even ''less'' friendly… The FCC ID can be looked up in Settings or the back of a device. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Well that is not the point. I say either use the firmware name or leave it alone. See what others thing though. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I currently plan on using the A1XXX model numbers— the FCC ID proposal was just thrown out there in the off chance that someone might like it. I'm not really a fan of it myself, but the FCC ID is probably the simplest way to figure out if it's an iPhone6,1 or iPhone6,2 since both have multiple A1XXX model numbers. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I agree to get rid of the "GSM" name, as almost all iPhones support GSM. The Axxxx numbers would be nice, but as some phones have several numbers, like A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530 (what is actually different between them?) we can't use it. For the FCC-ID, we can't use that either, because for example the iPhone 5 with FCC-ID BCG-E2599A stands for the GSM/A1428 and also for the GSM+CDMA/A1429 version. So I suggest to either use the identifier (like iPhone2,1) or better the internal name (like n88ap). That would have the advantage to separate them further, because the iPhone 4 A1332 has two internal versions: iPhone3,1/n90ap and the iPhone3,2/n90bap. The bigger question is where you want to use this. That determines mainly the name. On all the key pages? Then it must be a name that is different between models that use different firmwares. And regarding key pages, maybe we should delete all the key pages from this wiki and move them into some database instead and provide a nice user interface and API around it and integrate that into the wiki somehow. That way we can change all pages with one simple edit. For the name, I prefer the internal name. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:43, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::We would have to edit key pages too. They should not be removed however. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, I wasn't trying to say that we had to decide on one way to differentiate ''everything''; "GSM" does work fine for, say, the iPhone 4. The proposal I brought up today was using the FCC ID only for this year's (2013's) iPhones— last year's cellular devices would get the A1XXX model numbers (i.e. two different solutions for two different years). But as of right now, I like how using A1XXX model numbers sounds for all of the affected devices, mostly because that's the path Apple's going in their developer portal. Something like "iPhone 5s (Model A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530)" is admittedly a mouthful for this year's iPhones though. At the moment, I'm inquiring about how to label it on [[Firmware]] and such pages, but I'm sure the outcome can be adapted for key page titles as well. As for differences between the models, it seems to be the supported LTE bands. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I still think that unless it is "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" it will be complicated but on the other hand, I kind of like the idea that [[User:Http|http]] had, using the internal identifiers like this "iPhone 5 (n42ap)". The only problem is that it would cause quite a bit of a flood moving the key pages, although this can be done like 15 per day each or something. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'm pretty sure the only key page that exists for an A5 (or newer) device is [[Telluride 9A406 (iPhone 4S)]]. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That was an example. I know there are no more A5 pages, only the one you said and two beta for iPhone 4S. I just meant that it would show the design. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:36, November 21, 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals ==<br />
Since this discussion has become extremely lengthy, here are the proposals (to my understanding) for changing the labels, each of which can be subject to changes (i.e. dropping the word "Model" from Proposal A). In an effort to conserve space (ironically, this still adds a significant amount of length), I only included a few models, which should give an idea of the proposal. Basically anything with an A5 or newer is involved. Feel free to edit this list if I missed or totally misinterpreted something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
# Proposal A (A1XXX numbers)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1456/A1532)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)]]<br />
# Proposal B (A1XXX + FCC ID)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2644A)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2694X)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c BCG‑E2694X)]]<br />
# Proposal C (-AP Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p101ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p102ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p103ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n41ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n42ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n48ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n49ap)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 p101ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n42ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n49ap)]]<br />
# Proposal D (iPhoneX,Y Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,4)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,5)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,6)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,2)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,3)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,4)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad3,4)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,2)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,4)]]<br />
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:I like this [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (3,4)]] or [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (iPad3,4)]]. I see there are 4 ways to approach this;<br />
1. Change every single device.<br /><br />
2. Change just devices with different variants, iPad 2+, iPad mini+, iPhone 4, iPhone 5+.<br /><br />
3. Change A5+ only (which I hate the idea of).<br /><br />
4. Change nothing at all.<br /><br />
--[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::My intention for this was to be a ''neutral'' (i.e. opinion-free) spot where all of the proposals were being mentioned, so people could easily see the proposed changes without any bias… v.v --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 20:54, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::TBH, I think it is better as it is, but I just stated my opinion that only A5+ would make in inconsistent. Though you could argue it is already, that is down to Apple and furthermore, just A5+ would still not eliminate iPhone 4 (GSM, GSM Rev A or CDMA). --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:07, November 22, 2013 (UTC)}}<br />
:Do it like #4, and do them all. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 18:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::It will be a pain, but I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea as it would make it much much better in the end. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I would say A and B are impossible due to various numbers in the same model. I like C best. For variant C you could also leave away the "ap" at the end, because every model has that, so it would be even shorter. For D, that's simply longer names and these names are not used at many places, but I could live with that version as well. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
Taking into account everyone's thoughts on this, I think we'll probably go with option C. The wiki already uses the "-ap" identifiers for the model pages, and an identifier like "iPad3,4" may confuse someone into thinking it's a model of the [[iPad 3]]. (I would still like to use the A1XXX numbers since Apple does that, but nobody else seems to agree now…) I'll give this a few more days for any last words before acting on it. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It '''will''' get changed before the year ends. I don't know why your opinion keeps changing, but I have already explained the reason for changing it. You even agreed that it needs to be changed. I'm still open to suggestions on what to change it to though. Keep in mind that the change will affect not only key pages, but also how the devices will be referred to throughout the wiki. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I know it will. I said it is fine to change. I like bot #3 and #4. Only point I must make is that I feel we should change all devices with multiple variants, including iPad Air and iPhone 4. This way, it is consistent and also removes GSM etc altogether. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with Adam, if you're going to change some of them then change all of them. This includes iPods. Whatever the outcome, be consistent. As for the outcome itself, I really think we should just use device identifiers (iPhone2,1). That's what we're actually differentiating by, so it only makes sense to refer to devices by them. I don't think there would be any confusion, especially considering we'll keep the name of the device next to it regardless. Barring that, the next best option is ***ap. The other options don't make any sense considering modern devices. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 10:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea, though I do not mind if we do every device or just ones with multiple variants, as long as that included pre A5 (iPhone 4) too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals (cont.) ==<br />
So this entire discussion came up because we need to remove "GSM" from models, because there are many models nowadays where the non-GSM model or Global or whatever model, all support GSM. One suggestion was the FCC number, but I think we already agreed that this is out of discussion (only used within USA and nobody refers to this number). So we have to use either<br />
*The Axxxx number (like A1332 for the iPhone 4). This is how Apple identifies their devices.<br />
*The ap number (like n94ap or just short N94). This is the internal name and used in internal references, like in the [[iBEC]] or [[iBSS]] filenames within an [[IPSW]]. (This is also what iH8sn0w has on his stickers on the devices.)<br />
*The 1,2 number (like iPad1,1 for the iPad 1G). This identifier is used in the [[IPSW]] filenames.<br />
There are several issues with using one over the other:<br />
*Some devices (iPad 1G, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, iPhone 5s to be exact) have multiple Axxxx numbers for the same ap number/1,2 number. For example the iPad 1G: A1219 (WiFi model) and A1337 (GSM model) both have k48ap / iPad1,1. So only the Axxxx number could be used to replace the "GSM" identifier.<br />
*The iPhone 4 has for A1332 two ap numbers/1,2 numbers: A1332 stands for both n90ap/iPhone3,1 and also for n90bap/iPhone3,2.<br />
*The iPod touch 5G has the same 1,2 number for two ap numbers/Axxxx numbers: iPod5,1 stands for both A1421/n78ap and also for A1509/n78aap.<br />
I understand the point from [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] somehow that we should make it consistent and change it everywhere in the same manner. The question is where to change what. So where do we use these terms?<br />
*The biggest affected change would be the key pages, so any change there should be carefully considered. Currently we use something like: "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". So the discussion here is just about the change in the brackets. For the devices where no different hardware versions exist, I think the current naming is ok. So let's just continue using that. Only where different (sub-)devices exist for the same main model (like for the iPhone 5c) and they require a different firmware file, then we need to specify it. So we need to add something after the "iPhone 5c" to specify the difference. For older devices, we should leave it as it is, because it works very well there. For example the iPad 1G WiFi and GSM require different firmware, but can be differentiated that way. And we can't use the ap number, because both versions use k48ap, respectively iPad1,1. So I think we should leave the old devices as they are. For newer devices, like the iPhone 5c, there are only two variations for the firmware, but six different Axxxx numbers and we don't want to list all of them in the firmware name. We also cannot use "GSM" for the reason mentioned at the introduction. I would prefer to use the ap number there, but that yields to problems. In case of the iPod touch 5G, we have two models (A1421/n78ap and also A1509/n78aap). Fortunately both use the same firmware, so we don't have to specify anything. But if Apple would release an additional model that would require a different firmware, we would have to specify the name even here and we can't add a name like "n78ap+n78aap". The name iPod5,1 there seems to be the obvious choice, as it is contained in the ipsw name already, so it is unlikely that Apple will change that. The only question is the format then. My choice would be to keep it short, something like "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c [5,4])" instead of the current "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". We shouldn't repeat the word "iPhone" there. And we shouldn't remove the "5c" of the original name.<br />
*We also have some hardware lists, for example on the key pages titles where we list under iPad 2: Wi-Fi, GSM, CDMA, Wi-Fi (A). They link directly to our ap-pages, for example the "Wi-Fi (A)" name links to "k93aap". I think we don't need to change this. For the iPhone 5c, we have GSM and Global and they also link to the ap-pages. The link remains there, so we would only change the name. I suggest to use the same short name as in the key page extension, so something like my suggested "[5,4]" for example (instead of "GSM").<br />
*On the [[Models]] page, we have the column "Variant", which also lists "GSM" and "Global" etc. That would also need to change. I suggest to leave it for older devices where "GSM" is a valid differentiation. For newer devices we might list the bands it supports or something else.<br />
*On hardware pages, like [[iPhone]], we also have names and links in the title bar. For devices that have different sub-devices (like the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5/5c/5s) I suggest to rename the title names to the ap-names, as they link to the respective page. I would not change the title "iPhone 3G" to "N82ap" although it links there. So this change would only apply to sub-titles.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 00:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Include iPhone 4 in the change and use same format everywhere on the wiki. I agree that we do not need to change devices with only one variant such as iPhone 3GS. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: I agree on that. 3GS, 3G and the 1st iPhone are anyway devices where I do not see too many wiki-related changes in the future.--[[User:M2m|M2m]] ([[User talk:M2m|talk]]) 09:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I don't like how the abbreviated form of "iPad3,4" looks— I understand wanting to keep "iPad 4" in the name, but I can't come up with alternatives besides going with only the identifier. (Another issue is that MediaWiki's markup parser doesn't seem to like square brackets in links— I tried using <code><nowiki><nowiki /></nowiki></code>.) Having thought it over for a few days, I'm more receptive to changing all multi-variant devices (i.e. including the iPhone 4), but my concern about the Recent changes getting flooded with page moves still exists. The page moves should be done on "quiet" days, when the wiki doesn't see much activity. That being said, this is my understanding of the proposed changes. Does everyone agree with the following?<br />
:* On pages like [[iPhone]], the variant labels will be replaced with the identifier, e.g. iPhone3,1/iPhone3,2/iPhone3,3. (An exception will probably need to be made for the iPad1,1. The "Internal Name" row should also be modified because there will be duplicated information.)<br />
:* On [[Models]], the variant labels will be replaced with something else for the iPhone 5 and newer. (I feel like there are too many LTE bands to list in such a spot, but I don't have any better ideas.)<br />
:* On pages such as [[Firmware]] and [[Jailbreak]], labels will be changed to things like "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" and "iPad 4 (iPad3,4)." Single-variant devices like the Apple TV 2G will remain as-is.<br />
:* The key pages will be moved to a different title, to resemble the following.<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (AppleTV3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (Apple TV AppleTV3,1)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad2,4)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 2 iPad2,4)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)]]<br />
:** [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPod touch 5G)]]<br />
:Do let me know if I missed something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with your idea [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]], but make every page use iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) etc. Of course if pages use iPhone 4 (GSM) now, change that to iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) or iPhone 4 (3,1). I would suggest moving 10 pages per day for the iPhone 4 to avoid flooding. I do not want some pages to include the AP identifier and some others iPhone3,1 for example. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Several comments:<br />
*The square brackets were just an idea, nothing agreed on that yet. And yes, let's forget this idea if it has problems with MediaWiki.<br />
*The beginning of the name should remain, otherwise we're getting inconsistent with other pages. I agree with [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] on this. To keep it short, my favorite would be something like "iPhone 4 (3,1)" then. But to make it more clear, "iPhone4 (iPhone3,1)" is also ok to me. If you wanted to leave the first part away and just use "iPhone3,1", then we would have to rename ALL pages (that's also an option).<br />
*Regarding flooding, I prefer that we do all changes at once, at an agreed date/time, done by [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. Maybe in two steps: first step to change the few hardware pages plus one page of each device of the key pages. In the second step the rest. This would ensure that any misunderstandings get catched in the first step, before all pages are renamed. I don't like to have 20 edits per day that I have to go through. Better all at once, but only after agreement of all.<br />
*Yes, we can do iPhone 4 too, if that't the only missing one. It was a misunderstanding on my part for iPad GSM/WiFi, as this doesn't have different firmwares (only on hardware pages needed).<br />
*Regarding the proposed listing of the bands on the [[Models]] page, Variant column, we could only list the bands that are different to make it short.<br />
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Can we list here what pages would be affected by the changes? Feel free to edit this list here within my comment. Here's what I have in mind:<br />
*[[Models]]<br />
*[[Apple TV]], [[iPad]], [[iPad mini]], [[iPhone]], [[iPod touch]]<br />
*[[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*[[Firmware]], [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
*[[Jailbreak]]<br />
*[[Application Processor]]<br />
*[[Main Page]] - for Application Processors and Baseband Devices.<br />
*[[:Category:Baseband]] - some pages state models and also the baseband devices, such as [[MDM6600]].<br />
*[[Template:Keys]]<br />
*[[P0sixspwn]]<br />
*[[:Timeline]]<br />
*[[SHSH]]<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (like [[Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 GSM)]]), total 69 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (A) (like [[InnsbruckVailPrime 11A4372q (iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)]]), total 21 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 CDMA (like [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 CDMA)]]), total 50 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5c and 5s (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 Wi-Fi)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 GSM (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 GSM)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 CDMA (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 CDMA)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi Rev A (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 CDMA (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
The key pages would get moved without redirect and all references updated. The references should also be in this list above. Add it to the list if I forgot anything.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 15:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that is fine. I said the 10 a day to avoid a big flood, but I do not mind either way. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:13, January 1, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Looks good. I amended the list to include the iPads as well. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So most of you seem to agree on the the generic change now. But what is missing is the exact naming. We have three variations still in discussion:<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 3,1"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 iPhone3,1"<br />
:::::I just noticed that we cannot use the round brackets, because this entire part is already enclosed in round brackets - otherwise we would have nested brackets and in grammar I think you have to use square brackets which are not allowed in MediaWiki. So this leaves us with #3 and #4. #3 looks silly without the brackets, so we probably have to use #4 as [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] suggested. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree with #4, looks better as I feel that #3 needs some sort of brackets if we used that. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]])<br />
::::::Wow, time really flies when you sleep all day. I've missed a ''lot''. Ok. I'm happy we decided to use the firmware moniker instead of something else. Personally, I don't like #1 because it just looks weird IMO. In addition, #1 and #2 would require the use of brackets (<code>(iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>) which would require the use of <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code> all over the place, and that will get not only ugly, but annoying. I agree #3 looks weird. However, #4 just looks redundent. I personally would like just <code>iPhone3,1</code>, but if I would have to put my vote on one of those last two, it would be #4. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 08:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::One last comment: We could also just use "iPhone3,1" (leaving the leading "iPhone 4" completely away). That would have two advantages and two disadvantages:<br />
:::::::*+ shorter<br />
:::::::*+ future-proof; if we ever decide to rename the rest as well, this is the way to name it<br />
:::::::*- somehow inconsistent with non-ambiguous other key pages (although ambiguous and non-ambiguous pages are different now anyway)<br />
:::::::*- less easy to understand from the name what device it is (but the iOS version is also not directly visible)<br />
:::::::--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 11:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::To me, that makes it worse. Why can we not use the rounded "()" brackets? I mean, it will only be duplicated in the key page urls, in which if it must be, just do "iPhone 4 iPhone3,1". Does not seem too bad to me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::We ''don't want to'' use parenthesis because then we get double parenthesis (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 (3,1))</code>). We would have to use braces (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>), but MediaWiki chokes when there's braces in a link unless you use <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code>; and that would mean ''everywhere'' there's a firmware link. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That ''is'' what I suggested in my reply... As for your first disadvantage, it only applies to the iPads where Apple has gotten confusing. Actually, now that I think of that, option #4 above does look nice. However, I still don't like the redundency of having <code>iPhone</code> in there twice. And as I said before, options #1 and #3 just look weird. So we're stuck at either redundency or looking weird. But then again, it wouldn't be redundent for the non-existent iPad key page links where Apple decided to be annoying with their firmware monikers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Could we not just use the parenthesis but just not in the key page URL's? I mean, "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" but in the urls for key pages, <code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone_4_iPhone3,1)</code>? That seems fine here. The underscores are currently there anyway. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::This seems fine to me… Well, aside from the underscores. Other than that, we're actually already doing the same thing until the changes are implemented. (Key pages say "(iPhone 4 GSM)" while other parts of the wiki say "iPhone 4 (GSM model).") --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I think that "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" does look the nicest, and I don't really feel like it's redundant. I also like the idea of just saying 'iPhone3,1'. If either of those options doesn't work, it might be good to do something like "iPhone 4; iPhone3,1" or "iPhone 4 | iPhone3,1".--[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::The underscores were stated due to the key page URL's use that. I did not mean use that throughout. Was just to give an example, [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:16, January 2, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::So we have to decide between<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)" (name on link could be "Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [iPhone3,1])" or whatever fits best in the context)<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
::::::::::I would prefer #2 (for advantages/disadvantages see list above), but could also live with the other one. Votes? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:06, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I would prefer #1 because it would be more consistent. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Count my vote for #2. I could go either way, but option #2 looks nicer. But just to double-check (yet again), we ''are'' using "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" in places like [[Firmware]]'s headings, right? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Headings/titles/links: we didn't decide on that, but I think we can put whatever fits best in the context of a page. So that's a 'yes'. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::This has been completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Key page template ==<br />
I actually like the idea of a database to an extent. I bet I could put together an extension that creates a [[Special:SpecialPages|special page]] that allows read access to everyone (and r/w access to users). Any edits to the key "pages" wouldn't cause a [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] log. If we ever needed to update the layout, we would just need to update the extension. We could even have an API.<br />
The only limitation is that updates to the extension would require either [[User:geohot|George]] or [[User:Dialexio|Alex]] needing to upload the fix. If we were to set up an external site, then all links to it would need to be wrapped with <code>&lt;span class="plainlinks"&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;</code>.<br />
Maybe a simple extension that takes links and redirects you to the external site? That could work. Like, we would have a link to, say, <code>[[<nowiki/>Special:Keys/iPad1,1/9A405]]</code> which would give an HTTP <code>301 Moved Permanently</code> header to, say, <code><nowiki>http://ioskeys.com/iPad1,1/9A405</nowiki></code>. Granted, someone would have to pay for the domain, but it would solve this problem. I may be able to pay for the domain if I make enough money by the time I finish writing everything. Any opposition? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 16:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like the idea. I like the idea of the database to a degree, but I think that the pages should remain on this wiki. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:03, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see this solving any problem— the backlash against changing the key page template was because of (unnecessary?) changes to the arguments, and the frequency of how often such changes were being proposed/applied. How would a database prevent it? For instance, let's say the database columns are all decided on. Suddenly, it's decided that SHA-1 hashes should be added as well, or perhaps "VFDecryptKey" will be renamed to "FSKey." People submitting keys would still be bothered with having to adjust for those changes. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That with the database is something I'll implement anyway (if not someone else is faster, as I'm quite busy). I just threw that in here as it might solve the problem of the frequent template updates (which is/was wrong anyway). From there it would be easy to create the VFDecrypt page with an overview link or lists of missing keys and that stuff, so the wiki would not need any direct links. But it would mean that we either completely remove all keys here from the wiki and embrace that solution or have them still duplicate (which then doesn't solve the problem). Dialexio: renaming columns can be handled without interface changes, but that's another topic. So let's forget about this database thing for now and we can discuss again when I have something. We certainly don't want to add extensions for that. So back to the discussion about the renaming: If I understood this correctly, you only want to rename A5+ devices and therefore no key pages would be affected. Is my understanding correct? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::As long as the pages stay on this wiki, I do not mind. Although, a database could be pointless as with only 50 more pages to edit for the new format, there is no planned new format/changes again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::About the renaming, that is correct; I'm only interested in changing the cellular labels on A5/+ devices. (Well, the iPad 2 can remain as-is.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh, well that would just make things more complicated/inconsistent. We should do all or none. About the template idea, there is also no need as it is not likely we will change the format again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::::Do we really need to CHANGE THE FORMAT 50 TIMES IN A ROW? The old one before everything was messed with worked fine enough. [[User:Winocm|Winocm]] ([[User talk:Winocm|talk]]) 18:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It was actually one change, which was completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Login prompt revision suggestion==<br />
I wrote a suggestion here: [[MediaWiki talk:Loginprompt]] (since I don't have permission to edit [[MediaWiki:Loginprompt]] directly) - I'd be interested in whether it sounds like a good idea to other people. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 01:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Homepage suggestions==<br />
Under "Application Development", what about linking to [http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page iPhoneDevWiki]? It's also a community-edited technical resource, and it links to this wiki. It could be helpful to add a little more detail to "Get [[up to speed]] in the community.", like this: "Get [[up to speed]] in the community - learn about how jailbreaks work." Under "Definitions", it could be helpful to list all the firmware tags in one line or sub-list, similar to how Jailbreak is organized next to Tethered jailbreak and Untethered jailbreak, both to save space and help readers understand the list. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 23:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:A link to the iPhoneDevWiki sounds good. I wonder if we should have an "External Links" or "Other Resources" section to include links to other sites (such as the [http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ iPhone Dev Team blog]) though. As for the "Up to Speed" page, I feel like the entire page could be reworked a bit— and perhaps even receive a new, clearer name ([[Introduction]]? [[Preface]]? Or something else?)— the current name makes it sound like it's for people that last paid attention to jailbreaking when the App Store didn't exist. And yeah, moving the IMG3 tags to a sub-list sounds like a really good idea. (Admittedly, I actually don't care for its inclusion in the first place, but that's just a personal preference.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
::There's already [[Useful Links]] with some links to other core community resources (which could be updated and rearranged) - I was just thinking that it'd be especially useful to link to iPhoneDevWiki prominently since it's likely for TheiPhoneWiki visitors to also be interested in relatively-organized technical information about development. Changing the name of "Up to Speed" sounds fine to me too - that page didn't get much attention since 2008 until I sort of commandeered it to serve as an "intro to jailbreaking" page. :) It could be renamed "getting started", as in "how to get started on learning about research into iOS devices, especially security research (such as jailbreaks)". [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
Also I'd love to see a dedicated section for "Good tasks for new editors", where we could maintain a list of relatively easy/straightforward suggested edits that wouldn't require vast technical knowledge, like updating that links page. Where would that go? Add it as a sub-section of [[The iPhone Wiki:Current events]] and link that section from the homepage or something? Or make a new page? [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==What is 0x5265c384 in the boot process?==<br />
Does anybody know where <code>0x5265c384</code> points to in the boot process? I haven't been able to find anything on it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 20:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==License for contributions==<br />
This wiki has never had an official license for contributions. Now, IANAL, but IIRC, this means that you can't use ''anything'' posted here unless it qualifies as fair-use. What I propose is that we set a license and add a notice that states that any contributions after a set date are to be licensed under that license (that's kindof a mouthful). I think we should use the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-by-SA 3.0] as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|Wikipedia uses it]], but that's just me. Any ideas? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 19:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the edit info already says all this:<br />
Please note that all contributions to The iPhone Wiki may be edited, altered, or<br />
removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly,<br />
then do not submit it here.<br />
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public<br />
domain or similar free resource (see The [[:The iPhone Wiki:Copyrights|iPhone Wiki:Copyrights]] for details). '''Do not'''<br />
'''submit copyrighted work without permission!'''<br />
For me, that's enough. I don't need a 50 page license. But if you want to formalize this more, go ahead. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds good. It's good practice to have an official license, just in case any disputes happen someday, and to ensure that it's OK to copy text over to Wikipedia (for example). [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Banner Replacement?==<br />
I kinda feel like the banner on the front page is getting a little stale, so I'm interested in seeing it replaced. I tossed a proposal [https://twitter.com/Draxelf/status/408295008794845184 on Twitter] a couple of days ago (which is admittedly plain, but Myriad Set…), but I haven't heard any opinions on replacing the banner. Are there any thoughts on this matter? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Or, [http://imgur.com/wJFqPl1 this]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Looks nice in Myriad! More professional. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 04:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Date Format==<br />
I see that [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] started to unify the date formats in this wiki. While I like this to be consistent, actually we should've talked about what format to use before changing it. I like the d_mon_yyyy format though. I also saw that he removed the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> between the date parts on the [[iFaith]] page that I added once purposefully. The reason was that when making the browser window small (or on the iPhone) that the date wraps to two lines, which is almost always undesired. The question is if we should do that everywhere too? Additionally, as we now seem to have a "standard" here, we should document it, so that new users know what format to use. -- [[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 17:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I just made it consistent. If you want the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> back, feel free to add it. I removed it as it did nothing (previewing on OS X). We should use the format I used throughout the wiki and not Dec 23, 2013 etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::<code>&amp;nbsp;</code> stands for "'''n'''on-'''b'''reaking '''sp'''ace". It is essentially a space, but with a property that prevents word wrap from occurring between the two words it's between. Look at [[Firmware Keys]] on a small enough screen (1024 across should do it). Your browser should preserve the space between the date "words". Now, go into the edit page and remove the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> from everything in one table. Your browser will now word wrap the date "words". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:What I actually want to do is use <code>{{[[Template:Start date|start date]]}}</code> instead of plain dates in areas where dates are used as a statistic; for example, [[Firmware]], [[Firmware Keys]], [[SHSH]], [[Timeline]], etc. Places where dates are used to record when something happened, for example on [[evasi0n7]], "On 28 December 2013...", should use the date flat out in the source. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Template documentation ==<br />
Whenever using templates that are copied here from Wikipedia, I almost always forget the parameters of the template. I then have to open Wikipedia and search for the template. What I want to do it copy the template documentation from Wikipedia here. To work around the licensing issue, we can create our own template that you would include at the bottom of the copied documentation that says the documentation comes from Wikipedia (because Wikipedia uses [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|CC-BY-SA 3.0]] which says our copied text must be under CC-BY-SA 3.0 ''and'' attribute Wikipedia and her editors. I can write the text for license template. Any ideas? Any opposition? If not, I'll begin in a few days. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I don't see why not. That's what I've seen done on other wikis. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Mainpage "iPhone Hackers" List ==<br />
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I think the "iPhone Hackers" List of the mainpage needs to be updated. Here are some people that need adding:<br />
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*[[Pimskeks]]<br />
*[[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
*[[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
*SquiffyPwn<br />
*[[i0n1c]]<br />
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Are there any others you can think of? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the list except I do not think that SquiffyPwn has done anything huge, except help with [[p0sixspwn]] and i0n1c shouldn't be added. Just my opinions. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: [[User:ph0enix|Me]], [[User:5urd|5urd]] and [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]] have definitely earned our keep refer to http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 02:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree, you are not that well know, like pimskeks etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I agree with iAdam1n. You are not known enough. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::Are you kidding me?? we have worked with many "well known" hackers and are in constant communication with people like p0sixninja! this is a joke we dont have to be "well known" to be influential hackers who not to mention have been running support and hacking in the community for 4 almost 5 years! --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::Support does not count. I am sticking with my original decision. AFAIK, you released no jailbreaks or found any new exploits, not as well know as the main hackers. Feel free to share what you have found/made if you want and also you can see what others say. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::are you kidding me!! http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html that is the reason i have high quality followers like posixninja and nitotv just because you guys are too young in the community to know about our major help to the community doesnt mean we are it is a closed sourced exploit but very functional and based off of redsn0w that implements our exploit now if you wanna get your thumb out of your buts and pay attention it would be great --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Why is this being brought up again? The answer was no before, and it's going to remain no for the reasons http stated before. I should add that who follows who on Twitter doesn't really mean anything— I have nitoTV, chronic, iH8sn0w, and winocm as followers, but that doesn't mean [https://twitter.com/Dialexio/status/376801384752222208 this] was a legitimate jailbreak by any means. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: Jeez idk maybe because we RELEASED A WORKING TOOL AND KEEP BEING BLOWN OFF BY INFERIOR ASS HOLES WHO REFUSE TO ADMIT IT! when you create a tool then challenge it till then we should be put on the list for discovering and implementing a previously unknown userland exploit and building a tool to ease the process... --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Your insults aren't helping your credibility. Just saying. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: well if i wouldn't have to have been asking for so long then i wouldn't be so upset my credibility is there whether you choose to ignore it or not is up to you. our tool is a working tool and we discovered and implemented a exploit that should be grounds for our names to be on the list,and the followers point is that we may not be well known but the people who follow us are legit people. quality over quantity. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::And now, your arguing with the administration. The answer is no. End of. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 09:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Coming back to this old discussion, the decision at that time was to not even include iH8sn0w there, so I don't see a reason to include much lesser known people. For the overview list, we already have the [[:Category:Hackers]]. The main page is just for the 5-10 currently most important people. Regarding names, there should be a wide consensus of the people listed. If you ask me today, I'd comment like this:<br />
:*i0n1c is not working on public jailbreaks, so don't include<br />
:*geohot has retired from the scene, he could get removed, but as founder of this wiki and best contributor to the scene of all time, better leave him there<br />
:*winocm new shooting star, could get added<br />
:*iH8sn0w could get added with all the tools created<br />
:*all others I would not add or only added to category mentioned above<br />
:Remember that the list should be really short, so adding anyone would most probably mean to remove someone less important. Also, number of followers on Twitter doesn't mean anything; all these people follow me too and I wouldn't claim to be that important. This shouldn't discourage anybody not on this main page to continue his/her work. If this is causing these feelings, I think we should remove the list there entirely. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks [[User:Http|http]] I feel like in that case their should be a new category made for the people who have worked very hard but by those standards do not fit in that category, something like security researchers for the people who are doing a lot of behind the scenes work and certainly deserve some recognition somewhere on here. Just a thought though. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
== Category Security Researchers==<br />
Hi all! i've created the category Security Researchers in order to cut down on the pages categorized as hackers as it apparently needs to be more exclusive. i've been adding the less known or inactive hackers from the hacker page but have not removed them from the hackers page. I feel that it should be a vote on who gets removed from the hackers page so my first suggestion is [[User:Fallensn0w]] as he has been inactive for a very long time and didn't do a lot in the first place. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 15:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing old/broken download links ==<br />
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I have noticed on pages like [[evasi0n]] and [[p0sixspwn]] that some of the dwonlaod links no longer work because the developers have taken the revision of the software down. Rather than leave them there, I suggest we replace the links with ones that can be accessed (such as with ones in my MEGA). For example, version 1.0 of [[evasi0n]] was taken down from MEGA and no longer exists. However, I have version 1.0 saved in my MEGA Drive so I could replace the broken links with ones to downloads in my MEGA Drive. What do you guys think of this? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 10:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like this idea as it breaks copyright. We normally just put a line through with <code>style="text-decoration: line-through;"</code>. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I know but I think that people should still be able to download the old versions. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 11:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree. Except for [[evasi0n7]], latest versions work best and with evasi0n7, all links work. We do not want unofficial links because of copyright. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::This contradicts your actions a bit— I've never seen official MEGA links for newer releases of evasi0n7, yet you filled it in for some of them. But I digress… In all honesty, I wouldn't mind, as long as no copyrights are violated. There should be some sort of distinction that it's not an official link though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::The MEGA links that I have added myself have been from evasi0n.com with "view source" in a browser. The earlier releases, [[User:5urd|5urd]] added them so I don't know about those. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 07:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::To be honest, it is only violating copyright if the jailbreak tools cost money. Since they are free, it is not violating copyright. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Copyright laws are '''always''' in place, regardless of how much something costs, unless the creator waives their copyrights. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So, should I go ahead a do it? I could put a warning triangle symbol before it so that it is shown to be an unofficial link. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I say no. On JailbreakQA, one moderator was told by MuscleNerd to remove a hosted version that included the edit for 7.0.6 before evasi0n7 1.0.7 was released. There is no need for older versions since the latest works, with the exception of evasi0n7 1.0.8 but 1.0.7 links are still valid. I strongly disagree to add this. Also it should have at least a week on discussion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::That sounds more like MuscleNerd not wanting tampered copies of evasi0n7 to float around. That being said, I don't know whether he or the rest of the evad3rs would be fine with rehosting untouched copies of their files though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== geeksn0w ==<br />
<br />
I think we should make a page for geeksn0w. It is a jailbreak tool used by a significant amount of users who have iPhone 4's. I don't see why there isn't a page already. What do you guys think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I personally like the idea. I would at least like to see it added to [[iPhone 4]] on [[Jailbreak|the jailbreak page]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Exactly, we should add it to the [[Jailbreak]] page and create a page on it. What do you think of creating a page for the developer/hacker, BlackGeekTutorial? He is just about to start working on [[iFaith]] for iOS 7.<br />
:::Personally, we don't need a page on him I don't think until he has made a lot. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::On the page, I am thinking of having download links to previous versions (in my MEGA drive) since BlackGeek doesn't give out other links. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think we should only use official links but thats just me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:56, 25 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I know we should use official links, but BlackGeek doesn't keep the links active. Also, he doesn't use MEGA. He just hosts it in the portfolio for his website. But he uses Adfly links to host them too. Do we really want Adfly links here? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 12:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If that is the official link, I would say yes. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:11, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cyberelevat0r ==<br />
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I think we should make a page for Cyberelevat0r (i0n1c's 7.1.x Untethered Jailbreak). There is multiple proof that he might release it and we can fill it with information about all other hackers that have 7.1.x untethered jailbreaks as well. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
:No. If (and it's a massive if) it gets released, then ok. Not until. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 08:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Email notifications? ==<br />
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is it currently possible to get emailed by the wiki when a watchlist page changes? i'd sure love that feature. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Email_notification_.28Enotif.29_settings looks relevant? [[User:Beej|beej]] ([[User talk:Beej|talk]]) 08:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Ambiguous names ==<br />
I feel like the names for [[Symlinks]] and [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] is a bit too ambiguous. Now, I don't anticipate there being much confusion, particularly since nobody really cares about 1.x anymore, but I would like to make the distinction clearer. I think both articles should be renamed, but I have no idea on what to rename them to (or even if you guys approve). I thought of using the CVE ID, but Apple doesn't provide one for [[Symlinks]] (or even any indication that they fixed it). ([[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] was assigned CVE-2013-5133.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:They are referred to as the Symbolic Link by people like MuscleNerd and iH8sn0w so, in my opinion, they should be kept as their current names. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 18:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I don't mind if one of them keeps their current name, but there should be something to make the distinction clearer. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 01:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== IRC Channel on Freenode ==<br />
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Howdy iphonewiki folks, I have #theiphonewiki registered on freenode, and am ready to have people come in (it's been ages since this idea has been brought up). Shall we open it? I'd like to get some ops in there to help out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 05:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:NO NO AND NO. I CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA LAST WEEK AND EMAILED DIALEXIO ABOUT IT. WHY ARE YOU TAKING CREDIT FOR IT??????!!!!!!!!! I was just about to post this here. What I was going to say:<br />
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===IRC Channel===<br />
I think we should make an IRC channel for this wiki. It can be either #theiphonewiki or #iphonewiki on freenode. The channel would be used for discussions, such as the TLC of the Jailbreak page for example. It would make getting things sorted a lot easier, since we could just ping each other different ideas. I know this idea was made before, but the channel never really got anywhere. What do you guys think of this idea? We would need to decide who has founder, op and voice etc. on the channel here. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 06:58, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: This is idiotic. You just want to do it yourself cause you want power. We won't help you feed your ego. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: You have never edited on this wiki in your life before so STFU. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: Being that I own #theiphonewiki, the original channel in which the wiki's channel was going to be on, I have control over who's moderating the channel. One op will be me, I have 3+ years of IRC moderation experience (To be honest, Is this even CV worthy? :P) we can choose the other operators when the channel becomes somewhat popular. ps. Why make two topics for this? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: That most definitely is CV worthy. I've seen Spydar007 moderate a channel, it crashed in a week or so. Not to mention the channel wasn't even his, and he kinda took it over anyway. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::No, no, no. The community decides. Juts because Farahtwiggy asked you to register it before, doesn't mean you get to be an op there now. This was my idea (Dialexio can vouch). You have no control over who are ops there. {{unsigned|Spydar007|04:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)}}<br />
::: One "no" is enough. Farah, really, doesn't have much (if anything) to do with this, the channel was registered a year ago. Your childish response above does not show me that you can handle owning the channel, nor do the rumors of you abusing channel control in your personal channel. It's really not your idea, it may have just now come to your mind, but adaminsull and I have gone through this whole deal before (one year ago). Join me on #theiphonewiki if you'd like to chat this out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I don't know what's happening off of the wiki so I might only have part of the picture. I definitely don't see Haifisch as trying to steal credit for this idea, which actually was brought up about ages ago. I'm not much of an IRC guy, so my opinion might not have that much weight for a lot of this discussion, but I feel that the channel would be better in Haifisch's hands given his experience. Ownership/management/whatever for the IRC channel should certainly be open for discussion though. I really don't care too much about whoever gets to run it, as long as the person is someone that the community knows, respects, and trusts. (Same goes for the channel ops.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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It does not sound like a good idea to have an IRC channel for this wiki. It is useful for discussion of this wiki's articles to continue to be be done publicly on the wiki (on the appropriate talk pages), so that everyone interested in the wiki can easily contribute to the discussion, and so that there is a well-organized public record of discussions that we can all easily refer to. IRC channels are also very fertile breeding grounds for social conflicts and unhappiness (as we've seen already), which is helpful to skip. In any case, this should be discussed at [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal]] instead of here - this page is for discussing modifications to the Main Page, and that one is for general discussions about TheiPhoneWiki. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Moving to Canada==<br />
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I'm moving this server in the next few days to a quality server in Canada. Server will be running inside a VM, so I'll also look into giving admins more access. Hopefully the periodic outages will stop. And maybe even SSL certs. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]])</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=41858The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2014-08-14T05:31:11Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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==iPhone-Elite==<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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==Boot-args cleanup==<br />
We need to clean up the boot-args pages. First the technical part: What I understand is that iBoot loads the kernel. And when loading it, it can pass some parameters to select certain behavior. So this only works with an iBoot or bootrom exploit. I understand that in earlier firmware versions there was simply an iBoot variable, but that doesn't exist or work anymore, now passing theses args requires a different or patched iBoot. There are various parameters in different kernel versions. The description for these arguments is scattered over various places:<br />
*[[Kernel#Boot-Args]] A section with the latest boot arguments list. This should be a short introduction and having a link "main article".<br />
*[[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] separate page for boot arguments, but mainly for the iBoot variable that doesn't exist any longer<br />
*[{{FULLURL:Boot arguments|redirect=no}} Boot arguments] (redirect)<br />
*[[:Talk:Restore_Mode]] describing the iBoot variable problem<br />
*Various pages referencing boot-args, like [[Research: Re-allowing unsigned ramdisks and boot-args with the 2.* iBoot]] (here we should have a link on the second title)<br />
*My earlier comment [[:Talk:Kernel#boot-args]]<br />
*This comment here.<br />
So what do we want to do about this mess? I suggest to move the current [[Kernel]] content to the redirect page [[Boot arguments]] (or to another new page, maybe [[boot-args]]). The current content of [[Boot-args (iBoot variable)]] and all other content should get merged into there. Then change all references to this new page and on the [[Kernel]] page write just something short with "main article there". What do you think? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 21:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I like [[Boot Arguments]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 02:01, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
::One addition: Maybe we should use [[boot-args]] as the main page, because all links are written like that. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 07:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==The iPhone Wiki re-design==<br />
The design of the iPhone wiki is now quite old and I think it should be updated. I made a [http://oi42.tinypic.com/30ib9y8.jpg concept]. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I disagree. If anything add an iPhone 5 to the logo but everything else is ok. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I wouldn't change the logo to an iPhone 5, especially with iOS 7 and a new iPhone (that will probably look the same as the 5, admittedly) around the corner. I contemplated updating the CSS for iOS 7's UI but decided not to because of the UI's supposed volatility (during the beta period) and I don't have a live version to toy around with. (I personally don't like its current state, but that's not a factor in why I'm not changing it yet.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:25, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::Can we not do flat? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 21:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::This is what I was thinking. When iOS 7 finally comes out, we could change the CSS to look like that instead. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:11, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::iOS 7 looks ugly. We do not want it like that. Maybe a bit more modern but nothing much. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::''You'' may not want it like that. That's your opinion. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::We could make a poll, and see if most users agree or disagree. --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 10:05, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:The idea looks nice. But before we make any changes, let's wait until iOS7 comes out. And I'd prefer to just add another skin instead (if possible). I'm still using the classic MonoBook skin by the way. You shouldn't impose design changes to everyone. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:38, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
::The problem with skins is that geohot needs to set them up... An idea I have is that we copy the Vector skin verbatim to a new skin (<code>iOS6</code>) and move the modifications (not general stuff) to [[Mediawiki:iOS6.css]]. Then we can do another verbatim copy to <code>iOS7</code> and modify [[Mediawiki:iOS7.css]]. We could then set the default skin to either <code>iOS6</code> or <code>iOS7</code> so you don't need to be logged in to see them like currently. Then if someone doesn't like them, like you, just change your settings to your preferred skin. The only way around needing geohot is if he opens up the credentials to FTP or whatever to someone. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:17, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:5urd|5urd]]'s suggestion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:29, 15 June 2013 (UTC)<br />
What about just removing the text-shadow element for now? I think pages would be easier to read without it. Here's an example: [[:File:Noshadow.png]]. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Yeah removing the shadow will make everything seem more flat but like [[User:http|http]] I'm still using the classic [http://theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&useskin=monobook MonoBook skin] --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] ([[User talk:Jaggions|talk]]) 21:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Hacker page==<br />
I would like to be added to the list of hackers for my work with the Private Dev Team and the [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev Team]] in addition to my release of the Phoenix Semi-Untethered. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Did you find any exploits? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 18:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::No. [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]], a team member found the vulnerability. I am the one who exploited it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]])<br />
:::I can back up this "claim". I was a part of it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::Whatever happened to this? --[[User:Phyrrus9|phyrrus9]]<br />
:::::So this went cold and i am going to again request that this change be made. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:28, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I'm gonna say no. I don't see any notable accomplishments to merit this. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 21:53, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::'''No'''. The first step would be to get to the category [[:Category:Hackers|hackers]]. You can get there by finding a vulnerability that is used with an exploit in a jailbreak - or by writing a new exploit. Remember that it's not allowed to add yourself to that category. Instead of finding a vulnerability you could also be member of either The [[iPhone Dev Team]] or [[Chronic Dev]] or [[evad3rs]]. After being in that category, the next step would be that you're famous enough from all those hackers there to get to the main page. The people chosen are discussed here. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Orphaned articles==<br />
This is an interesting search: [[Special:LonelyPages]] - "The following pages are not linked from or transcluded into other pages in The iPhone Wiki." I'm not sure where all of those articles should be linked, but figuring that out could be a useful project for somebody. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 05:57, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Easy tasks for new editors==<br />
* Finish converting the remaining error codes listed here [[MobileDevice_Library#Known_Error_Codes]] into the proper mach_return_t codes they should be displayed as. (convert the negative number listed into hex, strip any leading "FF" so it should be in the format "0xe80000" followed by two numbers) --[[User:Dirkg|Dirkg]] ([[User talk:Dirkg|talk]]) 22:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== A1XXX model numbers vs. "GSM"/"CDMA"/"Global"/"Cellular"/etc. ==<br />
I know that this topic was [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal/2013#iPhone 5|already discussed earlier this year]], but it didn't seem to come to a consensus, and the introduction of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] brought a lot of model numbers. Some of them may "overlap" (think models A1429 and A1442 for the [[iPhone 5]]), but there's simply too many to give names to. There are at least two that can connect to CDMA networks, and all of them can connect to GSM. In addition, with the sheer amount of models, it doesn't seem likely for one model to be treated as a "global" model. Therefore, I changed the iPhone 5c to use model numbers. I would like to do the same to some of the devices that are already present on the wiki though— the same ones from when I first brought up this idea. The GSM/CDMA names work very well for the [[iPad 2]] and [[iPhone 4]]. Things are slightly murkier for the [[iPad 3|iPad (3rd gen.)]], [[iPad 4|iPad (4th gen.)]], [[iPad mini 1G]], and [[iPhone 5]] though; all of those devices' cellular models can connect to GSM networks, so it seems like nonsense to call some of them the "GSM model." The A1XXX model numbers are also how Apple tells the difference between the different models of these devices. Have any opinions changed? Or perhaps someone new might have something to say about this? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 06:06, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I actually like the idea as it does get complicated now with the new devices coming like said and we would have to do this for all devices. Although, if we did this, we would have to move all the key pages that have keys on to support this. That would not be a big problem as we could limit the moves to say 20 per day. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:47, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:I suggest we wait a bit until we see what models of the [[iPhone 5c]] and [[iPhone 5s]] will exist. But in general, I like the idea of using only the A1nnn numbers. The only issue I see right now is that Apple differentiates between A1532 GSM and A1532 CDMA. If there are real hardware differences between these two, then we're screwed again. That's why I suggest to wait until we know these exact model types. On the disambiguation page I added the GSM/CDMA model differentiation already (as Apple does). If they turn out to be the same, we can remove it again, but I wonder why Apple lists two models (with different bands supported) there now. Someone also added the "CDMA" mark to one of the others, but that's not how Apple marks them, so I suggest to remove that mark there again. If everything can be differentiated by these A-model-numbers, then yes, we should change the old pages too. Including all key pages. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:44, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do know there are 2 CDMA and 3-4 GSM for the [[iPhone 5c]] alone. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:04, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ahem… ''All'' of the iPhone 5c models can do GSM communications. Hence one of the reasons why I want to ditch the "GSM"/"Global"/etc. labels in favor of A1XXX model numbers. ;P --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 16:07, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::One thing is, what about iPod touch 5 as that has two model numbers that are the same device, same with iPhone5,2. How would we get around that? I suppose we could like both separated with a forward slash. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah, we could just use something like "[[n42ap|iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)]]." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 22:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Yeah I thought that but what about the iPhone 4 GSM and GSM Rev A? They both seem to be A1432. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:10, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::This is why I'm against using the A1XXX model numbers instead of the current GSM/Global thing. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I had no plans to change the way we refer to the iPhone 4 or iPad 2 (Apple does use GSM/CDMA, and for those devices it works fine). If a new iPhone 5S revision comes along, Apple will probably refer to it as a "Rev A" thing, and so will we. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Referencing Adam's reply above, if we had took that to the key pages, it'd be <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432)]]</code> which would mess ''everything'' up. What could we do? Use <code>[<nowiki/>[{BuildTrain} {Build} (A1432 Rev A)]]</code>? No. That doesn't look good. The current way of referring to everything by their supported network type (GSM/CDMA/Global) helps in going to a different page.<br />
:Let's say I'm on [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 GSM)]] and I want to go the CDMA device. What do I do? Go to the URL and replace <code>GSM</code> with <code>CDMA</code>. With the model numbers, I'd have to navigate to [[Firmware]], then find the link, or find out what the model number of the CDMA variant is and replace the model number in the URL with that.<br /><br />
:Ok, who navigates by the URL and search bar? ''I do''. And I'm sure there's '''many''' people out there that prefer to navigate with the search bar if they know the page name. If we go by model number, the AJAX search results just list pages with a model number in parenthesis. '''How does that help'''? I'd either have to ''know'' the model number of the device I want, or visit ''each one'' until I find the page I need.<br />
:Sorry for the rant, but I am '''strongly''' against this. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 23:25, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::I do suppose we could just trash the buildtrain all together to shorten it down too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::Dropping the Build Train would only ''increase'' the workload. Besides, what's the harm with it? We've been using the same page title structure since forever, and it's worked. "''If it ain't broke, don't fix it''". The current system works, so ''why'', other than the fact that Apple refers to them differently, should we change this? In addition, we don't refer to everything the way Apple does. The [[iPad mini 1G]] is referred to as the "iPad mini". The [[iPad 3]] is refered to as "The New iPad". The [[iPad 4]] is refered to as "iPad with Retina Display"<sup class="plainlinks">[http://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/]</sup>. Are the key pages titled <code>BrightonMaps 10B329 (The New iPad, Wi-Fi+3G for AT&T and Verizon)</code>? No. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::But the reason we want to not use the variants is because the new devices that are coming out are breaking he structure and also CDMA versions can use GSM in the 5c plus we have like 4 for GSM alone. I only meant drop buildtrain to shorten the urls down. For the iPhone 4 GSM Rev A we would have to list it as <code>iPhone 4 A1432 Rev</code> unless another idea is thought of. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:55, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::No. Anything involving moving key pages to change their title I am ''completely'' against. As for the iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c, we ultimately have to wait. There may be different types, but if they all work with the same firmware, then what do we do then? Use <code>A1456/A1504</code>? I don't want to do that. It can get confusing in the future if that list were to be huge. With ''5'' different models for the iPhone 5c ''alone'', it's just not practical. For the fact that all support GSM, but not all support CDMA, we just do what we've ''been'' doing: "GSM" and "Global". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 01:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::There's nothing wrong with changing the titles of pages that don't even exist though. If *all* of the models use the same firmware, just go with "iPhone 5s." If they happen to be partitioned into two different firmwares again, that will certainly complicate things, but it wouldn't be worse than nonsense like "GSM," "GSM [<nowiki />Global]," "CDMA," "CDMA [<nowiki />Global]," or "GSM [<nowiki />Global Plus TD-LTE]." If it's just one oddball, we could just have "iPhone 5s" and "iPhone 5s A1XXX" (whatever the odd one is), and include a link on the former page to say "keys for model A1XXX are on this page." --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::I probably didn't phrase that well… I wasn't thinking of how Apple markets the product, but rather more along the lines of how they refer to it in, say, the tech specs page or support documents— the pages that shows the messier side to their simple sugar coating. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::You keep misinterpreting/misrepresenting what I'm proposing. I never said anything about dropping, say, "iPhone 5" so firmware page titles would look like [[Sundance 10A405 (A1428)]]. I want to change the GSM/Global part to the A1XXX number, so it would probably show like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428)]]. (If a hardware revision were made, it would probably look like [[Sundance 10A405 (iPhone 5 A1428 Rev A)]].) From time to time, I edit URLs to browse the wiki too. But the GSM/Global identifiers don't work that well; again, '''all iPhone 5 models can connect to GSM'''. That's not really helpful. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 02:50, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::I suggest we drop the A and use Rev. As for the idea of changing to A1XXX, I see no issues and am for the idea. I admit it can cause chaos when we move the pages but we could limit the moving per day of course. Overall, I think it will be worth it. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::No. Don't drop the <code>A</code> from <code>Rev A</code>. Why would you even think to? You want to call them what Apple calls them, and the [[n90bap|revised iPhone 4 GSM]] is referred to with <code>Rev A</code>. In addition, there have been <code>Rev ''B''</code> things before, such as the [[S5L8947]] (A5 Rev B) used in the [[j33iap|revised Apple TV 3G]]. In addition, think of all the redirects we would need to keep for sites that link to key pages directly. I have even seen sites that still link with the URLs as <code>/wiki/index.php?title={Title}</code> instead of the year old change to <code>/wiki/{Title}</code>. The wiki handles that internally for us, but the redirects made in the moves would have to be kept. Currently, only the [[iPhone 5]] and [[iPad 4]] are the only devices referred to by their model numbers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's why I don't want to change it. It's worked for us, and we have no idea how the new firmwares will be handled. I am betting that there will only be two firmware types - one for the GSM, and one for the Global (GSM+CDMA) model. The only reason they are split, IIRC, is because AT&T uses different LTE bands than rest of the GSM world.<br />
:::Ultimately, the GSM/CDMA/Global monikors haven't caused any ''naming conflicts''. Ok, you don't want to use the ''marketing'' title. What about the way they are referred to on [[Apple Developer Center|ADC]], because that seems to be what you want. I may be misreading what you're saying again, but if we're going to do that, let's use their ''full'' title. Something <code>(iPad [4th generation Model A1458])</code> (iPad 4 Wi-Fi) and <code>(iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for Verizon])</code> (iPad 3 Global). Does the first one tell you if the device is Wi-Fi or a Wi-Fi+3G model? Does the second one tell you ''at all'' that it is an [[iPad 3]], or that it supports GSM? No.<br />
:::Apple has a history of being inconsistent. For example, the iPad 3 Wi-Fi is referred to on ADC (and iTunes) as "iPad Wi-Fi (3rd generation)" while the iPad 3 GSM is referred to as "iPad Wi-Fi + Cellular [model for AT&T]". What happened to the "3rd generation"? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:53, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::We could always list as <code>iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)</code> etc instead if that would be better. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::Why is there a need to explicitly keep "Wi-Fi" in a key page's title? All you need is a way to distinguish what model it is from its other variants— the A1XXX model number does just that. It's not like we referred to the AppleTV3,2 as "Apple TV 3G (New Single-Core A5)" or something. And obviously, we can use common sense to address the 3rd generation iPad issue you brought up… Now you're just nitpicking. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:28, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Actually, I think we should wait until we see the firmware for iPhone 5c/5s and then decide. TBH, as [[User:5urd|5urd]] said, it is ok as it is but of course if once the new firmware is out it is more confusing, then we can think again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:12, 15 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Come to think of it, we can use a mix of both; we can keep the "Global" moniker, but drop the "GSM" moniker in favor of the A1XXX model number. (The "GSM" moniker is the one that's been bothering me.) I think this works well for the iPad 3 (which is actually split into "CDMA" and "Global—" it probably doesn't need to be done for this), iPad 4, iPad mini 1G, and iPhone 5, but this leaves the question of what to do for the iPhone 5C/5S. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That would look worse! If we are going to do it, we have to do it for '''''all'''''. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:40, 19 September 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::What is the status on this now? --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 21:18, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::This discussion has stagnated, but I'm firing it up again— I want to fix this before the end of the year, so this can probably be seen as an ultimatum. Now that Apple has pushed a 7.1 beta to developers, we now know how Apple's splitting the new iPhones up— and it's by A1XXX model numbers still. :\ That's probably the path the wiki will go down, but I do have another idea. The other idea I have in mind is using the A1XXX model number for the cellular devices launched last year. But for this year's iPhones, the FCC ID is actually different between the two, so we could actually use that. Before this gets nitpicked on, the last letter can get changed to an "X" to signify that it's a wildcard of sorts. It's not a pretty solution so I do expect it to get shot down (hence why I'm going with the A1XXX model numbers unless everyone says otherwise), but I'm still throwing it out there in case everyone actually likes that. Everyone is welcome to suggest alternatives, but I '''will''' eliminate that GSM label before the year ends. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That is worse, nobody knows the FCC ID off the top of their head. I would suggest "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" if anything. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Using "iPhone5,1" or "iPhone6,2" is even ''less'' friendly… The FCC ID can be looked up in Settings or the back of a device. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Well that is not the point. I say either use the firmware name or leave it alone. See what others thing though. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I currently plan on using the A1XXX model numbers— the FCC ID proposal was just thrown out there in the off chance that someone might like it. I'm not really a fan of it myself, but the FCC ID is probably the simplest way to figure out if it's an iPhone6,1 or iPhone6,2 since both have multiple A1XXX model numbers. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:19, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I agree to get rid of the "GSM" name, as almost all iPhones support GSM. The Axxxx numbers would be nice, but as some phones have several numbers, like A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530 (what is actually different between them?) we can't use it. For the FCC-ID, we can't use that either, because for example the iPhone 5 with FCC-ID BCG-E2599A stands for the GSM/A1428 and also for the GSM+CDMA/A1429 version. So I suggest to either use the identifier (like iPhone2,1) or better the internal name (like n88ap). That would have the advantage to separate them further, because the iPhone 4 A1332 has two internal versions: iPhone3,1/n90ap and the iPhone3,2/n90bap. The bigger question is where you want to use this. That determines mainly the name. On all the key pages? Then it must be a name that is different between models that use different firmwares. And regarding key pages, maybe we should delete all the key pages from this wiki and move them into some database instead and provide a nice user interface and API around it and integrate that into the wiki somehow. That way we can change all pages with one simple edit. For the name, I prefer the internal name. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:43, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::We would have to edit key pages too. They should not be removed however. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 23:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, I wasn't trying to say that we had to decide on one way to differentiate ''everything''; "GSM" does work fine for, say, the iPhone 4. The proposal I brought up today was using the FCC ID only for this year's (2013's) iPhones— last year's cellular devices would get the A1XXX model numbers (i.e. two different solutions for two different years). But as of right now, I like how using A1XXX model numbers sounds for all of the affected devices, mostly because that's the path Apple's going in their developer portal. Something like "iPhone 5s (Model A1457/A1518/A1528/A1530)" is admittedly a mouthful for this year's iPhones though. At the moment, I'm inquiring about how to label it on [[Firmware]] and such pages, but I'm sure the outcome can be adapted for key page titles as well. As for differences between the models, it seems to be the supported LTE bands. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I still think that unless it is "iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)" it will be complicated but on the other hand, I kind of like the idea that [[User:Http|http]] had, using the internal identifiers like this "iPhone 5 (n42ap)". The only problem is that it would cause quite a bit of a flood moving the key pages, although this can be done like 15 per day each or something. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I'm pretty sure the only key page that exists for an A5 (or newer) device is [[Telluride 9A406 (iPhone 4S)]]. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That was an example. I know there are no more A5 pages, only the one you said and two beta for iPhone 4S. I just meant that it would show the design. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:36, November 21, 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals ==<br />
Since this discussion has become extremely lengthy, here are the proposals (to my understanding) for changing the labels, each of which can be subject to changes (i.e. dropping the word "Model" from Proposal A). In an effort to conserve space (ironically, this still adds a significant amount of length), I only included a few models, which should give an idea of the proposal. Basically anything with an A5 or newer is involved. Feel free to edit this list if I missed or totally misinterpreted something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 03:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
# Proposal A (A1XXX numbers)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1456/A1532)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Model A1507/A1516/A1526/A1529)]]<br />
# Proposal B (A1XXX + FCC ID)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1458)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1459)<br />
#* iPad 4 (Model A1460)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1428)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (Model A1429/A1442)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2644A)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (BCG‑E2694X)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 A1458)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5 A1429/A1442)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c BCG‑E2694X)]]<br />
# Proposal C (-AP Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p101ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p102ap)<br />
#* iPad 4 (p103ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n41ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (n42ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n48ap)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (n49ap)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 4 p101ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n42ap)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c n49ap)]]<br />
# Proposal D (iPhoneX,Y Identifier)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,4)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,5)<br />
#* iPad 4 (iPad3,6)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,1)<br />
#* iPhone 5 (iPhone5,2)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,3)<br />
#* iPhone 5c (iPhone5,4)<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad3,4)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,2)]]<br />
#* [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone5,4)]]<br />
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:I like this [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (3,4)]] or [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a iPad 4 (iPad3,4)]]. I see there are 4 ways to approach this;<br />
1. Change every single device.<br /><br />
2. Change just devices with different variants, iPad 2+, iPad mini+, iPhone 4, iPhone 5+.<br /><br />
3. Change A5+ only (which I hate the idea of).<br /><br />
4. Change nothing at all.<br /><br />
--[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::My intention for this was to be a ''neutral'' (i.e. opinion-free) spot where all of the proposals were being mentioned, so people could easily see the proposed changes without any bias… v.v --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 20:54, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::TBH, I think it is better as it is, but I just stated my opinion that only A5+ would make in inconsistent. Though you could argue it is already, that is down to Apple and furthermore, just A5+ would still not eliminate iPhone 4 (GSM, GSM Rev A or CDMA). --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:07, November 22, 2013 (UTC)}}<br />
:Do it like #4, and do them all. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 18:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::It will be a pain, but I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea as it would make it much much better in the end. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 16:25, 25 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I would say A and B are impossible due to various numbers in the same model. I like C best. For variant C you could also leave away the "ap" at the end, because every model has that, so it would be even shorter. For D, that's simply longer names and these names are not used at many places, but I could live with that version as well. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
Taking into account everyone's thoughts on this, I think we'll probably go with option C. The wiki already uses the "-ap" identifiers for the model pages, and an identifier like "iPad3,4" may confuse someone into thinking it's a model of the [[iPad 3]]. (I would still like to use the A1XXX numbers since Apple does that, but nobody else seems to agree now…) I'll give this a few more days for any last words before acting on it. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 04:03, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::It '''will''' get changed before the year ends. I don't know why your opinion keeps changing, but I have already explained the reason for changing it. You even agreed that it needs to be changed. I'm still open to suggestions on what to change it to though. Keep in mind that the change will affect not only key pages, but also how the devices will be referred to throughout the wiki. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 19:34, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I know it will. I said it is fine to change. I like bot #3 and #4. Only point I must make is that I feel we should change all devices with multiple variants, including iPad Air and iPhone 4. This way, it is consistent and also removes GSM etc altogether. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:48, 26 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with Adam, if you're going to change some of them then change all of them. This includes iPods. Whatever the outcome, be consistent. As for the outcome itself, I really think we should just use device identifiers (iPhone2,1). That's what we're actually differentiating by, so it only makes sense to refer to devices by them. I don't think there would be any confusion, especially considering we'll keep the name of the device next to it regardless. Barring that, the next best option is ***ap. The other options don't make any sense considering modern devices. --[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 10:54, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::I like [[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]]'s idea, though I do not mind if we do every device or just ones with multiple variants, as long as that included pre A5 (iPhone 4) too. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:34, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== "GSM" Replacement Proposals (cont.) ==<br />
So this entire discussion came up because we need to remove "GSM" from models, because there are many models nowadays where the non-GSM model or Global or whatever model, all support GSM. One suggestion was the FCC number, but I think we already agreed that this is out of discussion (only used within USA and nobody refers to this number). So we have to use either<br />
*The Axxxx number (like A1332 for the iPhone 4). This is how Apple identifies their devices.<br />
*The ap number (like n94ap or just short N94). This is the internal name and used in internal references, like in the [[iBEC]] or [[iBSS]] filenames within an [[IPSW]]. (This is also what iH8sn0w has on his stickers on the devices.)<br />
*The 1,2 number (like iPad1,1 for the iPad 1G). This identifier is used in the [[IPSW]] filenames.<br />
There are several issues with using one over the other:<br />
*Some devices (iPad 1G, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4S, iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, iPhone 5s to be exact) have multiple Axxxx numbers for the same ap number/1,2 number. For example the iPad 1G: A1219 (WiFi model) and A1337 (GSM model) both have k48ap / iPad1,1. So only the Axxxx number could be used to replace the "GSM" identifier.<br />
*The iPhone 4 has for A1332 two ap numbers/1,2 numbers: A1332 stands for both n90ap/iPhone3,1 and also for n90bap/iPhone3,2.<br />
*The iPod touch 5G has the same 1,2 number for two ap numbers/Axxxx numbers: iPod5,1 stands for both A1421/n78ap and also for A1509/n78aap.<br />
I understand the point from [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] somehow that we should make it consistent and change it everywhere in the same manner. The question is where to change what. So where do we use these terms?<br />
*The biggest affected change would be the key pages, so any change there should be carefully considered. Currently we use something like: "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". So the discussion here is just about the change in the brackets. For the devices where no different hardware versions exist, I think the current naming is ok. So let's just continue using that. Only where different (sub-)devices exist for the same main model (like for the iPhone 5c) and they require a different firmware file, then we need to specify it. So we need to add something after the "iPhone 5c" to specify the difference. For older devices, we should leave it as it is, because it works very well there. For example the iPad 1G WiFi and GSM require different firmware, but can be differentiated that way. And we can't use the ap number, because both versions use k48ap, respectively iPad1,1. So I think we should leave the old devices as they are. For newer devices, like the iPhone 5c, there are only two variations for the firmware, but six different Axxxx numbers and we don't want to list all of them in the firmware name. We also cannot use "GSM" for the reason mentioned at the introduction. I would prefer to use the ap number there, but that yields to problems. In case of the iPod touch 5G, we have two models (A1421/n78ap and also A1509/n78aap). Fortunately both use the same firmware, so we don't have to specify anything. But if Apple would release an additional model that would require a different firmware, we would have to specify the name even here and we can't add a name like "n78ap+n78aap". The name iPod5,1 there seems to be the obvious choice, as it is contained in the ipsw name already, so it is unlikely that Apple will change that. The only question is the format then. My choice would be to keep it short, something like "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c [5,4])" instead of the current "InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 5c Global)". We shouldn't repeat the word "iPhone" there. And we shouldn't remove the "5c" of the original name.<br />
*We also have some hardware lists, for example on the key pages titles where we list under iPad 2: Wi-Fi, GSM, CDMA, Wi-Fi (A). They link directly to our ap-pages, for example the "Wi-Fi (A)" name links to "k93aap". I think we don't need to change this. For the iPhone 5c, we have GSM and Global and they also link to the ap-pages. The link remains there, so we would only change the name. I suggest to use the same short name as in the key page extension, so something like my suggested "[5,4]" for example (instead of "GSM").<br />
*On the [[Models]] page, we have the column "Variant", which also lists "GSM" and "Global" etc. That would also need to change. I suggest to leave it for older devices where "GSM" is a valid differentiation. For newer devices we might list the bands it supports or something else.<br />
*On hardware pages, like [[iPhone]], we also have names and links in the title bar. For devices that have different sub-devices (like the iPhone 4 and iPhone 5/5c/5s) I suggest to rename the title names to the ap-names, as they link to the respective page. I would not change the title "iPhone 3G" to "N82ap" although it links there. So this change would only apply to sub-titles.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 00:26, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Include iPhone 4 in the change and use same format everywhere on the wiki. I agree that we do not need to change devices with only one variant such as iPhone 3GS. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:59, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: I agree on that. 3GS, 3G and the 1st iPhone are anyway devices where I do not see too many wiki-related changes in the future.--[[User:M2m|M2m]] ([[User talk:M2m|talk]]) 09:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I don't like how the abbreviated form of "iPad3,4" looks— I understand wanting to keep "iPad 4" in the name, but I can't come up with alternatives besides going with only the identifier. (Another issue is that MediaWiki's markup parser doesn't seem to like square brackets in links— I tried using <code><nowiki><nowiki /></nowiki></code>.) Having thought it over for a few days, I'm more receptive to changing all multi-variant devices (i.e. including the iPhone 4), but my concern about the Recent changes getting flooded with page moves still exists. The page moves should be done on "quiet" days, when the wiki doesn't see much activity. That being said, this is my understanding of the proposed changes. Does everyone agree with the following?<br />
:* On pages like [[iPhone]], the variant labels will be replaced with the identifier, e.g. iPhone3,1/iPhone3,2/iPhone3,3. (An exception will probably need to be made for the iPad1,1. The "Internal Name" row should also be modified because there will be duplicated information.)<br />
:* On [[Models]], the variant labels will be replaced with something else for the iPhone 5 and newer. (I feel like there are too many LTE bands to list in such a spot, but I don't have any better ideas.)<br />
:* On pages such as [[Firmware]] and [[Jailbreak]], labels will be changed to things like "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" and "iPad 4 (iPad3,4)." Single-variant devices like the Apple TV 2G will remain as-is.<br />
:* The key pages will be moved to a different title, to resemble the following.<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (AppleTV3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (Apple TV AppleTV3,1)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad2,4)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPad 2 iPad2,4)]]<br />
:** <del>[[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone3,1)]]</del> [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)]]<br />
:** [[InnsbruckTaos 11B554a (iPod touch 5G)]]<br />
:Do let me know if I missed something. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with your idea [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]], but make every page use iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) etc. Of course if pages use iPhone 4 (GSM) now, change that to iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1) or iPhone 4 (3,1). I would suggest moving 10 pages per day for the iPhone 4 to avoid flooding. I do not want some pages to include the AP identifier and some others iPhone3,1 for example. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:08, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::Several comments:<br />
*The square brackets were just an idea, nothing agreed on that yet. And yes, let's forget this idea if it has problems with MediaWiki.<br />
*The beginning of the name should remain, otherwise we're getting inconsistent with other pages. I agree with [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] on this. To keep it short, my favorite would be something like "iPhone 4 (3,1)" then. But to make it more clear, "iPhone4 (iPhone3,1)" is also ok to me. If you wanted to leave the first part away and just use "iPhone3,1", then we would have to rename ALL pages (that's also an option).<br />
*Regarding flooding, I prefer that we do all changes at once, at an agreed date/time, done by [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. Maybe in two steps: first step to change the few hardware pages plus one page of each device of the key pages. In the second step the rest. This would ensure that any misunderstandings get catched in the first step, before all pages are renamed. I don't like to have 20 edits per day that I have to go through. Better all at once, but only after agreement of all.<br />
*Yes, we can do iPhone 4 too, if that't the only missing one. It was a misunderstanding on my part for iPad GSM/WiFi, as this doesn't have different firmwares (only on hardware pages needed).<br />
*Regarding the proposed listing of the bands on the [[Models]] page, Variant column, we could only list the bands that are different to make it short.<br />
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Can we list here what pages would be affected by the changes? Feel free to edit this list here within my comment. Here's what I have in mind:<br />
*[[Models]]<br />
*[[Apple TV]], [[iPad]], [[iPad mini]], [[iPhone]], [[iPod touch]]<br />
*[[Firmware Keys]]<br />
*[[Firmware]], [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
*[[Jailbreak]]<br />
*[[Application Processor]]<br />
*[[Main Page]] - for Application Processors and Baseband Devices.<br />
*[[:Category:Baseband]] - some pages state models and also the baseband devices, such as [[MDM6600]].<br />
*[[Template:Keys]]<br />
*[[P0sixspwn]]<br />
*[[:Timeline]]<br />
*[[SHSH]]<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (like [[Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 GSM)]]), total 69 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 GSM (A) (like [[InnsbruckVailPrime 11A4372q (iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)]]), total 21 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 4 CDMA (like [[BrightonMaps 10B329 (iPhone 4 CDMA)]]), total 50 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPhone 5c and 5s (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 Wi-Fi)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 GSM (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 GSM)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 CDMA (like [[Durango 8G4 (iPad 2 CDMA)]]), total 5 existing pages<br />
*key pages: iPad 2 Wi-Fi Rev A (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 CDMA (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 3 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad 4 Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad Air Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini GSM (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini Global (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Wi-Fi (nonexistent)<br />
*key pages: iPad mini 2G Cellular (nonexistent)<br />
The key pages would get moved without redirect and all references updated. The references should also be in this list above. Add it to the list if I forgot anything.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 15:07, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes that is fine. I said the 10 a day to avoid a big flood, but I do not mind either way. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:13, January 1, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::Looks good. I amended the list to include the iPads as well. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So most of you seem to agree on the the generic change now. But what is missing is the exact naming. We have three variations still in discussion:<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 3,1"<br />
:::::#"iPhone 4 iPhone3,1"<br />
:::::I just noticed that we cannot use the round brackets, because this entire part is already enclosed in round brackets - otherwise we would have nested brackets and in grammar I think you have to use square brackets which are not allowed in MediaWiki. So this leaves us with #3 and #4. #3 looks silly without the brackets, so we probably have to use #4 as [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] suggested. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I agree with #4, looks better as I feel that #3 needs some sort of brackets if we used that. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]])<br />
::::::Wow, time really flies when you sleep all day. I've missed a ''lot''. Ok. I'm happy we decided to use the firmware moniker instead of something else. Personally, I don't like #1 because it just looks weird IMO. In addition, #1 and #2 would require the use of brackets (<code>(iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>) which would require the use of <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code> all over the place, and that will get not only ugly, but annoying. I agree #3 looks weird. However, #4 just looks redundent. I personally would like just <code>iPhone3,1</code>, but if I would have to put my vote on one of those last two, it would be #4. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 08:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::One last comment: We could also just use "iPhone3,1" (leaving the leading "iPhone 4" completely away). That would have two advantages and two disadvantages:<br />
:::::::*+ shorter<br />
:::::::*+ future-proof; if we ever decide to rename the rest as well, this is the way to name it<br />
:::::::*- somehow inconsistent with non-ambiguous other key pages (although ambiguous and non-ambiguous pages are different now anyway)<br />
:::::::*- less easy to understand from the name what device it is (but the iOS version is also not directly visible)<br />
:::::::--[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 11:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::To me, that makes it worse. Why can we not use the rounded "()" brackets? I mean, it will only be duplicated in the key page urls, in which if it must be, just do "iPhone 4 iPhone3,1". Does not seem too bad to me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 11:18, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::We ''don't want to'' use parenthesis because then we get double parenthesis (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 (3,1))</code>). We would have to use braces (<code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [3,1])</code>), but MediaWiki chokes when there's braces in a link unless you use <code>&lt;nowiki/&gt;</code>; and that would mean ''everywhere'' there's a firmware link. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::That ''is'' what I suggested in my reply... As for your first disadvantage, it only applies to the iPads where Apple has gotten confusing. Actually, now that I think of that, option #4 above does look nice. However, I still don't like the redundency of having <code>iPhone</code> in there twice. And as I said before, options #1 and #3 just look weird. So we're stuck at either redundency or looking weird. But then again, it wouldn't be redundent for the non-existent iPad key page links where Apple decided to be annoying with their firmware monikers. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 13:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::Could we not just use the parenthesis but just not in the key page URL's? I mean, "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" but in the urls for key pages, <code>Telluride 9A334 (iPhone_4_iPhone3,1)</code>? That seems fine here. The underscores are currently there anyway. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::This seems fine to me… Well, aside from the underscores. Other than that, we're actually already doing the same thing until the changes are implemented. (Key pages say "(iPhone 4 GSM)" while other parts of the wiki say "iPhone 4 (GSM model).") --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::I think that "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" does look the nicest, and I don't really feel like it's redundant. I also like the idea of just saying 'iPhone3,1'. If either of those options doesn't work, it might be good to do something like "iPhone 4; iPhone3,1" or "iPhone 4 | iPhone3,1".--[[User:CompilingEntropy|CompilingEntropy]] ([[User talk:CompilingEntropy|talk]]) 16:46, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::The underscores were stated due to the key page URL's use that. I did not mean use that throughout. Was just to give an example, [[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 13:16, January 2, 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::So we have to decide between<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 iPhone3,1)" (name on link could be "Telluride 9A334 (iPhone 4 [iPhone3,1])" or whatever fits best in the context)<br />
::::::::::#"Telluride 9A334 (iPhone3,1)"<br />
::::::::::I would prefer #2 (for advantages/disadvantages see list above), but could also live with the other one. Votes? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:06, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::I would prefer #1 because it would be more consistent. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::Count my vote for #2. I could go either way, but option #2 looks nicer. But just to double-check (yet again), we ''are'' using "iPhone 4 (iPhone3,1)" in places like [[Firmware]]'s headings, right? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 18:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::Headings/titles/links: we didn't decide on that, but I think we can put whatever fits best in the context of a page. So that's a 'yes'. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 23:53, 9 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::::::::This has been completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:12, 15 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Key page template ==<br />
I actually like the idea of a database to an extent. I bet I could put together an extension that creates a [[Special:SpecialPages|special page]] that allows read access to everyone (and r/w access to users). Any edits to the key "pages" wouldn't cause a [[Special:RecentChanges|recent changes]] log. If we ever needed to update the layout, we would just need to update the extension. We could even have an API.<br />
The only limitation is that updates to the extension would require either [[User:geohot|George]] or [[User:Dialexio|Alex]] needing to upload the fix. If we were to set up an external site, then all links to it would need to be wrapped with <code>&lt;span class="plainlinks"&gt;...&lt;/span&gt;</code>.<br />
Maybe a simple extension that takes links and redirects you to the external site? That could work. Like, we would have a link to, say, <code>[[<nowiki/>Special:Keys/iPad1,1/9A405]]</code> which would give an HTTP <code>301 Moved Permanently</code> header to, say, <code><nowiki>http://ioskeys.com/iPad1,1/9A405</nowiki></code>. Granted, someone would have to pay for the domain, but it would solve this problem. I may be able to pay for the domain if I make enough money by the time I finish writing everything. Any opposition? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 16:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like the idea. I like the idea of the database to a degree, but I think that the pages should remain on this wiki. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:03, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::I don't see this solving any problem— the backlash against changing the key page template was because of (unnecessary?) changes to the arguments, and the frequency of how often such changes were being proposed/applied. How would a database prevent it? For instance, let's say the database columns are all decided on. Suddenly, it's decided that SHA-1 hashes should be added as well, or perhaps "VFDecryptKey" will be renamed to "FSKey." People submitting keys would still be bothered with having to adjust for those changes. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::That with the database is something I'll implement anyway (if not someone else is faster, as I'm quite busy). I just threw that in here as it might solve the problem of the frequent template updates (which is/was wrong anyway). From there it would be easy to create the VFDecrypt page with an overview link or lists of missing keys and that stuff, so the wiki would not need any direct links. But it would mean that we either completely remove all keys here from the wiki and embrace that solution or have them still duplicate (which then doesn't solve the problem). Dialexio: renaming columns can be handled without interface changes, but that's another topic. So let's forget about this database thing for now and we can discuss again when I have something. We certainly don't want to add extensions for that. So back to the discussion about the renaming: If I understood this correctly, you only want to rename A5+ devices and therefore no key pages would be affected. Is my understanding correct? --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 22:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::As long as the pages stay on this wiki, I do not mind. Although, a database could be pointless as with only 50 more pages to edit for the new format, there is no planned new format/changes again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::About the renaming, that is correct; I'm only interested in changing the cellular labels on A5/+ devices. (Well, the iPad 2 can remain as-is.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:02, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::Oh, well that would just make things more complicated/inconsistent. We should do all or none. About the template idea, there is also no need as it is not likely we will change the format again. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 00:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::::Do we really need to CHANGE THE FORMAT 50 TIMES IN A ROW? The old one before everything was messed with worked fine enough. [[User:Winocm|Winocm]] ([[User talk:Winocm|talk]]) 18:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::::It was actually one change, which was completed. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 27 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Login prompt revision suggestion==<br />
I wrote a suggestion here: [[MediaWiki talk:Loginprompt]] (since I don't have permission to edit [[MediaWiki:Loginprompt]] directly) - I'd be interested in whether it sounds like a good idea to other people. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 01:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Homepage suggestions==<br />
Under "Application Development", what about linking to [http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Main_Page iPhoneDevWiki]? It's also a community-edited technical resource, and it links to this wiki. It could be helpful to add a little more detail to "Get [[up to speed]] in the community.", like this: "Get [[up to speed]] in the community - learn about how jailbreaks work." Under "Definitions", it could be helpful to list all the firmware tags in one line or sub-list, similar to how Jailbreak is organized next to Tethered jailbreak and Untethered jailbreak, both to save space and help readers understand the list. --[[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 23:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
:A link to the iPhoneDevWiki sounds good. I wonder if we should have an "External Links" or "Other Resources" section to include links to other sites (such as the [http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ iPhone Dev Team blog]) though. As for the "Up to Speed" page, I feel like the entire page could be reworked a bit— and perhaps even receive a new, clearer name ([[Introduction]]? [[Preface]]? Or something else?)— the current name makes it sound like it's for people that last paid attention to jailbreaking when the App Store didn't exist. And yeah, moving the IMG3 tags to a sub-list sounds like a really good idea. (Admittedly, I actually don't care for its inclusion in the first place, but that's just a personal preference.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 00:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
::There's already [[Useful Links]] with some links to other core community resources (which could be updated and rearranged) - I was just thinking that it'd be especially useful to link to iPhoneDevWiki prominently since it's likely for TheiPhoneWiki visitors to also be interested in relatively-organized technical information about development. Changing the name of "Up to Speed" sounds fine to me too - that page didn't get much attention since 2008 until I sort of commandeered it to serve as an "intro to jailbreaking" page. :) It could be renamed "getting started", as in "how to get started on learning about research into iOS devices, especially security research (such as jailbreaks)". [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
Also I'd love to see a dedicated section for "Good tasks for new editors", where we could maintain a list of relatively easy/straightforward suggested edits that wouldn't require vast technical knowledge, like updating that links page. Where would that go? Add it as a sub-section of [[The iPhone Wiki:Current events]] and link that section from the homepage or something? Or make a new page? [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 00:40, 21 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==What is 0x5265c384 in the boot process?==<br />
Does anybody know where <code>0x5265c384</code> points to in the boot process? I haven't been able to find anything on it. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 20:14, 23 October 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==License for contributions==<br />
This wiki has never had an official license for contributions. Now, IANAL, but IIRC, this means that you can't use ''anything'' posted here unless it qualifies as fair-use. What I propose is that we set a license and add a notice that states that any contributions after a set date are to be licensed under that license (that's kindof a mouthful). I think we should use the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ CC-by-SA 3.0] as [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|Wikipedia uses it]], but that's just me. Any ideas? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 19:53, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Well, the edit info already says all this:<br />
Please note that all contributions to The iPhone Wiki may be edited, altered, or<br />
removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly,<br />
then do not submit it here.<br />
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public<br />
domain or similar free resource (see The [[:The iPhone Wiki:Copyrights|iPhone Wiki:Copyrights]] for details). '''Do not'''<br />
'''submit copyrighted work without permission!'''<br />
For me, that's enough. I don't need a 50 page license. But if you want to formalize this more, go ahead. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 20:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Sounds good. It's good practice to have an official license, just in case any disputes happen someday, and to ensure that it's OK to copy text over to Wikipedia (for example). [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 21:32, 9 November 2013 (UTC)<br />
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==Banner Replacement?==<br />
I kinda feel like the banner on the front page is getting a little stale, so I'm interested in seeing it replaced. I tossed a proposal [https://twitter.com/Draxelf/status/408295008794845184 on Twitter] a couple of days ago (which is admittedly plain, but Myriad Set…), but I haven't heard any opinions on replacing the banner. Are there any thoughts on this matter? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Or, [http://imgur.com/wJFqPl1 this]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:Looks nice in Myriad! More professional. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 04:01, 7 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Date Format==<br />
I see that [[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] started to unify the date formats in this wiki. While I like this to be consistent, actually we should've talked about what format to use before changing it. I like the d_mon_yyyy format though. I also saw that he removed the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> between the date parts on the [[iFaith]] page that I added once purposefully. The reason was that when making the browser window small (or on the iPhone) that the date wraps to two lines, which is almost always undesired. The question is if we should do that everywhere too? Additionally, as we now seem to have a "standard" here, we should document it, so that new users know what format to use. -- [[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 17:42, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I just made it consistent. If you want the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> back, feel free to add it. I removed it as it did nothing (previewing on OS X). We should use the format I used throughout the wiki and not Dec 23, 2013 etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 18:32, 30 December 2013 (UTC)<br />
::<code>&amp;nbsp;</code> stands for "'''n'''on-'''b'''reaking '''sp'''ace". It is essentially a space, but with a property that prevents word wrap from occurring between the two words it's between. Look at [[Firmware Keys]] on a small enough screen (1024 across should do it). Your browser should preserve the space between the date "words". Now, go into the edit page and remove the <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> from everything in one table. Your browser will now word wrap the date "words". --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:What I actually want to do is use <code>{{[[Template:Start date|start date]]}}</code> instead of plain dates in areas where dates are used as a statistic; for example, [[Firmware]], [[Firmware Keys]], [[SHSH]], [[Timeline]], etc. Places where dates are used to record when something happened, for example on [[evasi0n7]], "On 28 December 2013...", should use the date flat out in the source. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Template documentation ==<br />
Whenever using templates that are copied here from Wikipedia, I almost always forget the parameters of the template. I then have to open Wikipedia and search for the template. What I want to do it copy the template documentation from Wikipedia here. To work around the licensing issue, we can create our own template that you would include at the bottom of the copied documentation that says the documentation comes from Wikipedia (because Wikipedia uses [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License|CC-BY-SA 3.0]] which says our copied text must be under CC-BY-SA 3.0 ''and'' attribute Wikipedia and her editors. I can write the text for license template. Any ideas? Any opposition? If not, I'll begin in a few days. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:04, 5 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I don't see why not. That's what I've seen done on other wikis. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Mainpage "iPhone Hackers" List ==<br />
<br />
I think the "iPhone Hackers" List of the mainpage needs to be updated. Here are some people that need adding:<br />
<br />
*[[Pimskeks]]<br />
*[[User:iH8sn0w|iH8sn0w]]<br />
*[[User:winocm|winocm]]<br />
*SquiffyPwn<br />
*[[i0n1c]]<br />
<br />
Are there any others you can think of? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:55, 18 January 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I agree with the list except I do not think that SquiffyPwn has done anything huge, except help with [[p0sixspwn]] and i0n1c shouldn't be added. Just my opinions. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 20:53, 5 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: [[User:ph0enix|Me]], [[User:5urd|5urd]] and [[User:phyrrus9|phyrrus9]] have definitely earned our keep refer to http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 02:17, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree, you are not that well know, like pimskeks etc. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 09:25, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I agree with iAdam1n. You are not known enough. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::Are you kidding me?? we have worked with many "well known" hackers and are in constant communication with people like p0sixninja! this is a joke we dont have to be "well known" to be influential hackers who not to mention have been running support and hacking in the community for 4 almost 5 years! --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 18:08, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::Support does not count. I am sticking with my original decision. AFAIK, you released no jailbreaks or found any new exploits, not as well know as the main hackers. Feel free to share what you have found/made if you want and also you can see what others say. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 19:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::are you kidding me!! http://theprivatedevteam.blogspot.com/2012/04/ios-51-semi-untethered-jailbreak.html that is the reason i have high quality followers like posixninja and nitotv just because you guys are too young in the community to know about our major help to the community doesnt mean we are it is a closed sourced exploit but very functional and based off of redsn0w that implements our exploit now if you wanna get your thumb out of your buts and pay attention it would be great --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::Why is this being brought up again? The answer was no before, and it's going to remain no for the reasons http stated before. I should add that who follows who on Twitter doesn't really mean anything— I have nitoTV, chronic, iH8sn0w, and winocm as followers, but that doesn't mean [https://twitter.com/Dialexio/status/376801384752222208 this] was a legitimate jailbreak by any means. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::: Jeez idk maybe because we RELEASED A WORKING TOOL AND KEEP BEING BLOWN OFF BY INFERIOR ASS HOLES WHO REFUSE TO ADMIT IT! when you create a tool then challenge it till then we should be put on the list for discovering and implementing a previously unknown userland exploit and building a tool to ease the process... --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:22, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::Your insults aren't helping your credibility. Just saying. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:35, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::: well if i wouldn't have to have been asking for so long then i wouldn't be so upset my credibility is there whether you choose to ignore it or not is up to you. our tool is a working tool and we discovered and implemented a exploit that should be grounds for our names to be on the list,and the followers point is that we may not be well known but the people who follow us are legit people. quality over quantity. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 23:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::::::::And now, your arguing with the administration. The answer is no. End of. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 09:13, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:Coming back to this old discussion, the decision at that time was to not even include iH8sn0w there, so I don't see a reason to include much lesser known people. For the overview list, we already have the [[:Category:Hackers]]. The main page is just for the 5-10 currently most important people. Regarding names, there should be a wide consensus of the people listed. If you ask me today, I'd comment like this:<br />
:*i0n1c is not working on public jailbreaks, so don't include<br />
:*geohot has retired from the scene, he could get removed, but as founder of this wiki and best contributor to the scene of all time, better leave him there<br />
:*winocm new shooting star, could get added<br />
:*iH8sn0w could get added with all the tools created<br />
:*all others I would not add or only added to category mentioned above<br />
:Remember that the list should be really short, so adding anyone would most probably mean to remove someone less important. Also, number of followers on Twitter doesn't mean anything; all these people follow me too and I wouldn't claim to be that important. This shouldn't discourage anybody not on this main page to continue his/her work. If this is causing these feelings, I think we should remove the list there entirely. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 14:28, 16 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks [[User:Http|http]] I feel like in that case their should be a new category made for the people who have worked very hard but by those standards do not fit in that category, something like security researchers for the people who are doing a lot of behind the scenes work and certainly deserve some recognition somewhere on here. Just a thought though. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 22:29, 18 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
== Category Security Researchers==<br />
Hi all! i've created the category Security Researchers in order to cut down on the pages categorized as hackers as it apparently needs to be more exclusive. i've been adding the less known or inactive hackers from the hacker page but have not removed them from the hackers page. I feel that it should be a vote on who gets removed from the hackers page so my first suggestion is [[User:Fallensn0w]] as he has been inactive for a very long time and didn't do a lot in the first place. --[[User:Ph0enix|Ph0enix]] ([[User talk:Ph0enix|talk]]) 15:57, 22 February 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Replacing old/broken download links ==<br />
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I have noticed on pages like [[evasi0n]] and [[p0sixspwn]] that some of the dwonlaod links no longer work because the developers have taken the revision of the software down. Rather than leave them there, I suggest we replace the links with ones that can be accessed (such as with ones in my MEGA). For example, version 1.0 of [[evasi0n]] was taken down from MEGA and no longer exists. However, I have version 1.0 saved in my MEGA Drive so I could replace the broken links with ones to downloads in my MEGA Drive. What do you guys think of this? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 10:07, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I do not like this idea as it breaks copyright. We normally just put a line through with <code>style="text-decoration: line-through;"</code>. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 10:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I know but I think that people should still be able to download the old versions. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 11:23, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::I disagree. Except for [[evasi0n7]], latest versions work best and with evasi0n7, all links work. We do not want unofficial links because of copyright. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 17:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::This contradicts your actions a bit— I've never seen official MEGA links for newer releases of evasi0n7, yet you filled it in for some of them. But I digress… In all honesty, I wouldn't mind, as long as no copyrights are violated. There should be some sort of distinction that it's not an official link though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 23:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::The MEGA links that I have added myself have been from evasi0n.com with "view source" in a browser. The earlier releases, [[User:5urd|5urd]] added them so I don't know about those. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 07:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::To be honest, it is only violating copyright if the jailbreak tools cost money. Since they are free, it is not violating copyright. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:11, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::Copyright laws are '''always''' in place, regardless of how much something costs, unless the creator waives their copyrights. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::So, should I go ahead a do it? I could put a warning triangle symbol before it so that it is shown to be an unofficial link. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 14:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I say no. On JailbreakQA, one moderator was told by MuscleNerd to remove a hosted version that included the edit for 7.0.6 before evasi0n7 1.0.7 was released. There is no need for older versions since the latest works, with the exception of evasi0n7 1.0.8 but 1.0.7 links are still valid. I strongly disagree to add this. Also it should have at least a week on discussion. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::That sounds more like MuscleNerd not wanting tampered copies of evasi0n7 to float around. That being said, I don't know whether he or the rest of the evad3rs would be fine with rehosting untouched copies of their files though. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 05:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== geeksn0w ==<br />
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I think we should make a page for geeksn0w. It is a jailbreak tool used by a significant amount of users who have iPhone 4's. I don't see why there isn't a page already. What do you guys think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 15:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:I personally like the idea. I would at least like to see it added to [[iPhone 4]] on [[Jailbreak|the jailbreak page]]. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::Exactly, we should add it to the [[Jailbreak]] page and create a page on it. What do you think of creating a page for the developer/hacker, BlackGeekTutorial? He is just about to start working on [[iFaith]] for iOS 7.<br />
:::Personally, we don't need a page on him I don't think until he has made a lot. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 15:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::On the page, I am thinking of having download links to previous versions (in my MEGA drive) since BlackGeek doesn't give out other links. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 16:10, 10 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::I think we should only use official links but thats just me. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 22:56, 25 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::::I know we should use official links, but BlackGeek doesn't keep the links active. Also, he doesn't use MEGA. He just hosts it in the portfolio for his website. But he uses Adfly links to host them too. Do we really want Adfly links here? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:#ff5a00;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:orange;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 12:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
:::::::If that is the official link, I would say yes. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 14:11, 26 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Cyberelevat0r ==<br />
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I think we should make a page for Cyberelevat0r (i0n1c's 7.1.x Untethered Jailbreak). There is multiple proof that he might release it and we can fill it with information about all other hackers that have 7.1.x untethered jailbreaks as well. What do you think? — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:40, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
:No. If (and it's a massive if) it gets released, then ok. Not until. --[[User:IAdam1n|iAdam1n]] ([[User talk:IAdam1n|talk]]) 08:01, 22 May 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Email notifications? ==<br />
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is it currently possible to get emailed by the wiki when a watchlist page changes? i'd sure love that feature. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Configuration_settings#Email_notification_.28Enotif.29_settings looks relevant? [[User:Beej|beej]] ([[User talk:Beej|talk]]) 08:02, 27 June 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== Ambiguous names ==<br />
I feel like the names for [[Symlinks]] and [[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] is a bit too ambiguous. Now, I don't anticipate there being much confusion, particularly since nobody really cares about 1.x anymore, but I would like to make the distinction clearer. I think both articles should be renamed, but I have no idea on what to rename them to (or even if you guys approve). I thought of using the CVE ID, but Apple doesn't provide one for [[Symlinks]] (or even any indication that they fixed it). ([[Symbolic Link Vulnerability]] was assigned CVE-2013-5133.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:They are referred to as the Symbolic Link by people like MuscleNerd and iH8sn0w so, in my opinion, they should be kept as their current names. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 18:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::I don't mind if one of them keeps their current name, but there should be something to make the distinction clearer. --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 01:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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== IRC Channel on Freenode ==<br />
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Howdy iphonewiki folks, I have #theiphonewiki registered on freenode, and am ready to have people come in (it's been ages since this idea has been brought up). Shall we open it? I'd like to get some ops in there to help out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 05:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:NO NO AND NO. I CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA LAST WEEK AND EMAILED DIALEXIO ABOUT IT. WHY ARE YOU TAKING CREDIT FOR IT??????!!!!!!!!! I was just about to post this here. What I was going to say:<br />
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===IRC Channel===<br />
I think we should make an IRC channel for this wiki. It can be either #theiphonewiki or #iphonewiki on freenode. The channel would be used for discussions, such as the TLC of the Jailbreak page for example. It would make getting things sorted a lot easier, since we could just ping each other different ideas. I know this idea was made before, but the channel never really got anywhere. What do you guys think of this idea? We would need to decide who has founder, op and voice etc. on the channel here. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 06:58, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: This is idiotic. You just want to do it yourself cause you want power. We won't help you feed your ego. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: You have never edited on this wiki in your life before so STFU. — '''[[User:Spydar007|<span style="color:black;">Spydar007</span>]] [[User talk:Spydar007|<span style="color:gray;">(Talk)</span>]]''' 05:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
: Being that I own #theiphonewiki, the original channel in which the wiki's channel was going to be on, I have control over who's moderating the channel. One op will be me, I have 3+ years of IRC moderation experience (To be honest, Is this even CV worthy? :P) we can choose the other operators when the channel becomes somewhat popular. ps. Why make two topics for this? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
:: That most definitely is CV worthy. I've seen Spydar007 moderate a channel, it crashed in a week or so. Not to mention the channel wasn't even his, and he kinda took it over anyway. --[[User:Goeo|goeo_]] ([[User talk:Goeo|talk]]) 19:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::No, no, no. The community decides. Juts because Farahtwiggy asked you to register it before, doesn't mean you get to be an op there now. This was my idea (Dialexio can vouch). You have no control over who are ops there. {{unsigned|Spydar007|04:11, July 6, 2014 (UTC)}}<br />
::: One "no" is enough. Farah, really, doesn't have much (if anything) to do with this, the channel was registered a year ago. Your childish response above does not show me that you can handle owning the channel, nor do the rumors of you abusing channel control in your personal channel. It's really not your idea, it may have just now come to your mind, but adaminsull and I have gone through this whole deal before (one year ago). Join me on #theiphonewiki if you'd like to chat this out. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 08:22, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
::::I don't know what's happening off of the wiki so I might only have part of the picture. I definitely don't see Haifisch as trying to steal credit for this idea, which actually was brought up about ages ago. I'm not much of an IRC guy, so my opinion might not have that much weight for a lot of this discussion, but I feel that the channel would be better in Haifisch's hands given his experience. Ownership/management/whatever for the IRC channel should certainly be open for discussion though. I really don't care too much about whoever gets to run it, as long as the person is someone that the community knows, respects, and trusts. (Same goes for the channel ops.) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] ([[User talk:Dialexio|talk]]) 17:42, 6 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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It does not sound like a good idea to have an IRC channel for this wiki. It is useful for discussion of this wiki's articles to continue to be be done publicly on the wiki (on the appropriate talk pages), so that everyone interested in the wiki can easily contribute to the discussion, and so that there is a well-organized public record of discussions that we can all easily refer to. IRC channels are also very fertile breeding grounds for social conflicts and unhappiness (as we've seen already), which is helpful to skip. In any case, this should be discussed at [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal]] instead of here - this page is for discussing modifications to the Main Page, and that one is for general discussions about TheiPhoneWiki. [[User:Britta|Britta]] ([[User talk:Britta|talk]]) 09:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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==Moving to Canada==<br />
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I'm moving this server in the next few days to a quality server in Canada. Server will be running inside a VM, so I'll also look into giving admins more access. Hopefully the periodic outages will stop.</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Geohot&diff=29701User talk:Geohot2013-01-20T20:56:39Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== Future of this Wiki ==<br />
[[User:geohot|geohot]] is the founder of this wiki. Now that he has retired (or whatever) I would be interested to know how this Wiki continues. I'm a little scared that he could just turn it off. Maybe we should make some backups now? Or can geohot or a close insider provide some infos about the future of this Wiki? If geohot needs someone to take over this project, I would be happy to do so (and probably many others also). It would be awful to see all our contributions fade away. A clear statement by any insider would help. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 18:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I currently have no plans to shut down this wiki. Rest assured that if I do, I will make a backup available online. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 19:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for clarification. This helps a lot. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The Sony case made me think of this again, especially when this wiki was down for a few hours. Perhaps you could give a backup to some trusted friend or so on a monthly or weekly basis? I would be happy to take the backups if you have no idea whom to give them - you have my email. -- [[User:Http|http]] 11:35, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I do make offsite backups about once a week. There's a privacy issue with letting someone else have the data. Also, how is the spam still happening? Using accounts they already have? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 06:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Privacy: Because of the user emails and passwords or something else? It can only be someone you really trust of course. Otherwise encrypted with a key you don't give out would be an alternative way. Weekly offsite backups are sufficient for now I think. Maybe I'll create a regular backup of the visible pages if that's not a problem for you. Spam: No, all new accounts. For the discussion see here: [[Spam#Captcha]]. -- [[User:Http|http]] 08:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Access to [http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/ blog] archives ==<br />
Will you post the information on your initial iPhone 2G unlock anywhere? This used to be on your blog (in the archives) and was quite fascinating... :( [[User:D235j|D235j]] 01:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other ==<br />
You made a rational decision leaving the jailbreak community. After all the crap you had to take from people I dont blame you. Im sorry for ever adding to the BS you deal with on a day-to-day basis. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 22:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)!<br />
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== Blog ==<br />
Hey mate, do you have any plans to make your blog public again? There was a lot of good information on there and it would be an official source of information and updates from you! Best! =) [[User:LiNK|LiNK]] 19:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yeah, Please Open your Blog... Even if it doesnt have to do with jailbreaking or anything like that! I just want to know the real george hotz... [[User:xX-BLACK_OPS-Xx|LOLZ]] 9:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== About GUIs == <br />
Hi. What do you think about GUIs in this wiki.There are some programs which calls another program like [[iDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[iDecrypter]](Calls VFDecypt) [[WinDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[Seas0npass]](Calls XPwn). Should these programs have a wiki page? Isnt it considered as advertising their program using this wiki? --[[User:Whiteshinyapple|Whiteshinyapple]] 02:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Mine ([[iDecryptIt]]) calls VFDecrypt '''''and''''' [[wikipedia:7-Zip|7-Zip]] --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 02:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Why are we discussing this on geohot's page? --[[User:Gamer765|Gamer765]] 04:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::The intial message was directed at geohot, inquiring about his thoughts on GUI apps on this wiki. He doesn't make his presence here known that often, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 04:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The Sysops here do such a good job I rarely have to step in. With regards to the GUI issue, it's not the most useful content on the wiki, but the idea of "advertising" a free program kind of seems like something not worth deleting over. Hard drive space is quite cheap. But then again, I'm not a dictator and perhaps this should be discussed somewhere besides my user page :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 04:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Rap Video ==<br />
Love the rap video! It could be the start of a whole new career! Plans to do another? [[User:Acheron|acheron]] 17:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
Geohot... I just wanted to say, thanks for all the work that you've done, and that you continue to do. You're a man among men. <br />
Veni, vidi, vici. {{unsigned|Rdqronos|01:36, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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== LocalSettings.php change needed ==<br />
I would like to have cydia:// urls working on this wiki, which requires an internal file changed. Please see [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal#Cydia links]]. Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Admin ==<br />
Again, can you rename me to 5urd and make me an admin? Or just make me an admin and I can do it myself. It seems unethical to have two accounts because if I get blocked, then I can use the other one... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:50, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Because people who ask will receive Admin. Go away. --Squiffypwn 14:11, 9 January 2012 (CST)<br />
::What? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::: How do I earn admin? --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 20:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: Be around for a while and have a track record of being helpful. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::: Ok. If someone who you asked says no can I be as you can see I have fixed a lot of things and will continue to do so. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 20:12, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
Maybe we could drop this whole thing altogether (the CSS primarily). I bet I could through together a theme that looks just like this, but it much easier to mod instead of using CSS styles (with save, refresh, test). I could install mediawiki on my computer and throw it together (professionally of course) and email it to you... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:53, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Wiki speed ==<br />
I just wanted to mention that in the last 2-3 days the wiki is so slow again, that it was unusable for me. I couldn't even notify you due to permanent timeouts. If you want, you can give me maybe other contact details for next time (you have my email to not tell this publicly). Right now it seems to be working, so I can write this. You might want to take a look at the logs/performance again. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 02:15, 14 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:I've ran some tests and the slow down is the page itself loading. I frequently get 324s (ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE) and a few 504s (Gateway timeout). As far as I can tell, it look like the database is the problem. I would recommend installing a cache plugin such as memcache. Please? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Upgrade ==<br />
Can we upgrade mediawiki? 1.20 is out and parser functions have had a couple of fixes. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Statuses ==<br />
I was wondering if we could have some sort of system which allows upgraded features without being admin after so long? Maybe after 6 months we can move a page without redirect or delete a page? If that wouldn't work maybe some sorta of points that can be earned and at a certain number of points you can then do this? --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 18:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I see you don't understand the concept of Mediawiki. User privileges are determined by your rank (administrator, user, etc.). To do this would require writing an extension. The ability to move without making a redirect is only available to administrators as its use is not needed. If there is a typo, you can notify us to perform the move ourselves or just make the move. If it is obviously in need of deletion (as those typos were), just add a delete mark to it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:You can have 7 schrute bucks. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: So is it not possible to have karma etc? --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 18:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Minus 3 schrute bucks --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 18:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Lol. I found out its not . --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 18:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Twitter (Annoying) ==<br />
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Hi Geohot, If you're around can you please confirm that https://twitter.com/GGeoHot is not you, So people can stop and report it for spam. --[[User:Haifisch|C17H21NO4]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 19:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:That's pretty obvious. No need to step in. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 19:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: You cannot really get it removed as its not breaking rules. Just block it. This is not him. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 20:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
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== Wiki email issue ==<br />
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Just letting you know that there's an error with <code>mail()</code> that's causing emails to not be sent: ''Error sending mail: Unknown error in PHP's mail() function.'' &mdash;[[User:thekirbylover|the]][[User talk:thekirbylover|kirby]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|lover]] 16:52, 20 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
: Should be fixed, though mail may end up in spam. Mail servers are hard. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Geohot&diff=29688User talk:Geohot2013-01-19T18:29:16Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== Future of this Wiki ==<br />
[[User:geohot|geohot]] is the founder of this wiki. Now that he has retired (or whatever) I would be interested to know how this Wiki continues. I'm a little scared that he could just turn it off. Maybe we should make some backups now? Or can geohot or a close insider provide some infos about the future of this Wiki? If geohot needs someone to take over this project, I would be happy to do so (and probably many others also). It would be awful to see all our contributions fade away. A clear statement by any insider would help. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 18:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I currently have no plans to shut down this wiki. Rest assured that if I do, I will make a backup available online. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 19:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for clarification. This helps a lot. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The Sony case made me think of this again, especially when this wiki was down for a few hours. Perhaps you could give a backup to some trusted friend or so on a monthly or weekly basis? I would be happy to take the backups if you have no idea whom to give them - you have my email. -- [[User:Http|http]] 11:35, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I do make offsite backups about once a week. There's a privacy issue with letting someone else have the data. Also, how is the spam still happening? Using accounts they already have? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 06:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Privacy: Because of the user emails and passwords or something else? It can only be someone you really trust of course. Otherwise encrypted with a key you don't give out would be an alternative way. Weekly offsite backups are sufficient for now I think. Maybe I'll create a regular backup of the visible pages if that's not a problem for you. Spam: No, all new accounts. For the discussion see here: [[Spam#Captcha]]. -- [[User:Http|http]] 08:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Access to [http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/ blog] archives ==<br />
Will you post the information on your initial iPhone 2G unlock anywhere? This used to be on your blog (in the archives) and was quite fascinating... :( [[User:D235j|D235j]] 01:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other ==<br />
You made a rational decision leaving the jailbreak community. After all the crap you had to take from people I dont blame you. Im sorry for ever adding to the BS you deal with on a day-to-day basis. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 22:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)!<br />
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== Blog ==<br />
Hey mate, do you have any plans to make your blog public again? There was a lot of good information on there and it would be an official source of information and updates from you! Best! =) [[User:LiNK|LiNK]] 19:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yeah, Please Open your Blog... Even if it doesnt have to do with jailbreaking or anything like that! I just want to know the real george hotz... [[User:xX-BLACK_OPS-Xx|LOLZ]] 9:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== About GUIs == <br />
Hi. What do you think about GUIs in this wiki.There are some programs which calls another program like [[iDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[iDecrypter]](Calls VFDecypt) [[WinDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[Seas0npass]](Calls XPwn). Should these programs have a wiki page? Isnt it considered as advertising their program using this wiki? --[[User:Whiteshinyapple|Whiteshinyapple]] 02:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Mine ([[iDecryptIt]]) calls VFDecrypt '''''and''''' [[wikipedia:7-Zip|7-Zip]] --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 02:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Why are we discussing this on geohot's page? --[[User:Gamer765|Gamer765]] 04:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::The intial message was directed at geohot, inquiring about his thoughts on GUI apps on this wiki. He doesn't make his presence here known that often, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 04:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The Sysops here do such a good job I rarely have to step in. With regards to the GUI issue, it's not the most useful content on the wiki, but the idea of "advertising" a free program kind of seems like something not worth deleting over. Hard drive space is quite cheap. But then again, I'm not a dictator and perhaps this should be discussed somewhere besides my user page :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 04:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Rap Video ==<br />
Love the rap video! It could be the start of a whole new career! Plans to do another? [[User:Acheron|acheron]] 17:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
Geohot... I just wanted to say, thanks for all the work that you've done, and that you continue to do. You're a man among men. <br />
Veni, vidi, vici. {{unsigned|Rdqronos|01:36, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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== LocalSettings.php change needed ==<br />
I would like to have cydia:// urls working on this wiki, which requires an internal file changed. Please see [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal#Cydia links]]. Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Admin ==<br />
Again, can you rename me to 5urd and make me an admin? Or just make me an admin and I can do it myself. It seems unethical to have two accounts because if I get blocked, then I can use the other one... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:50, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Because people who ask will receive Admin. Go away. --Squiffypwn 14:11, 9 January 2012 (CST)<br />
::What? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::: How do I earn admin? --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 20:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: Be around for a while and have a track record of being helpful. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::: Ok. If someone who you asked says no can I be as you can see I have fixed a lot of things and will continue to do so. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 20:12, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
Maybe we could drop this whole thing altogether (the CSS primarily). I bet I could through together a theme that looks just like this, but it much easier to mod instead of using CSS styles (with save, refresh, test). I could install mediawiki on my computer and throw it together (professionally of course) and email it to you... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:53, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Wiki speed ==<br />
I just wanted to mention that in the last 2-3 days the wiki is so slow again, that it was unusable for me. I couldn't even notify you due to permanent timeouts. If you want, you can give me maybe other contact details for next time (you have my email to not tell this publicly). Right now it seems to be working, so I can write this. You might want to take a look at the logs/performance again. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 02:15, 14 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:I've ran some tests and the slow down is the page itself loading. I frequently get 324s (ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE) and a few 504s (Gateway timeout). As far as I can tell, it look like the database is the problem. I would recommend installing a cache plugin such as memcache. Please? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Upgrade ==<br />
Can we upgrade mediawiki? 1.20 is out and parser functions have had a couple of fixes. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Statuses ==<br />
I was wondering if we could have some sort of system which allows upgraded features without being admin after so long? Maybe after 6 months we can move a page without redirect or delete a page? If that wouldn't work maybe some sorta of points that can be earned and at a certain number of points you can then do this? --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 18:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I see you don't understand the concept of Mediawiki. User privileges are determined by your rank (administrator, user, etc.). To do this would require writing an extension. The ability to move without making a redirect is only available to administrators as its use is not needed. If there is a typo, you can notify us to perform the move ourselves or just make the move. If it is obviously in need of deletion (as those typos were), just add a delete mark to it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:You can have 7 schrute bucks. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: So is it not possible to have karma etc? --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 18:19, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Minus 3 schrute bucks --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 18:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Geohot&diff=29685User talk:Geohot2013-01-19T18:10:32Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== Future of this Wiki ==<br />
[[User:geohot|geohot]] is the founder of this wiki. Now that he has retired (or whatever) I would be interested to know how this Wiki continues. I'm a little scared that he could just turn it off. Maybe we should make some backups now? Or can geohot or a close insider provide some infos about the future of this Wiki? If geohot needs someone to take over this project, I would be happy to do so (and probably many others also). It would be awful to see all our contributions fade away. A clear statement by any insider would help. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 18:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I currently have no plans to shut down this wiki. Rest assured that if I do, I will make a backup available online. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 19:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for clarification. This helps a lot. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The Sony case made me think of this again, especially when this wiki was down for a few hours. Perhaps you could give a backup to some trusted friend or so on a monthly or weekly basis? I would be happy to take the backups if you have no idea whom to give them - you have my email. -- [[User:Http|http]] 11:35, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I do make offsite backups about once a week. There's a privacy issue with letting someone else have the data. Also, how is the spam still happening? Using accounts they already have? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 06:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Privacy: Because of the user emails and passwords or something else? It can only be someone you really trust of course. Otherwise encrypted with a key you don't give out would be an alternative way. Weekly offsite backups are sufficient for now I think. Maybe I'll create a regular backup of the visible pages if that's not a problem for you. Spam: No, all new accounts. For the discussion see here: [[Spam#Captcha]]. -- [[User:Http|http]] 08:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Access to [http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/ blog] archives ==<br />
Will you post the information on your initial iPhone 2G unlock anywhere? This used to be on your blog (in the archives) and was quite fascinating... :( [[User:D235j|D235j]] 01:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other ==<br />
You made a rational decision leaving the jailbreak community. After all the crap you had to take from people I dont blame you. Im sorry for ever adding to the BS you deal with on a day-to-day basis. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 22:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)!<br />
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== Blog ==<br />
Hey mate, do you have any plans to make your blog public again? There was a lot of good information on there and it would be an official source of information and updates from you! Best! =) [[User:LiNK|LiNK]] 19:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yeah, Please Open your Blog... Even if it doesnt have to do with jailbreaking or anything like that! I just want to know the real george hotz... [[User:xX-BLACK_OPS-Xx|LOLZ]] 9:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== About GUIs == <br />
Hi. What do you think about GUIs in this wiki.There are some programs which calls another program like [[iDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[iDecrypter]](Calls VFDecypt) [[WinDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[Seas0npass]](Calls XPwn). Should these programs have a wiki page? Isnt it considered as advertising their program using this wiki? --[[User:Whiteshinyapple|Whiteshinyapple]] 02:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Mine ([[iDecryptIt]]) calls VFDecrypt '''''and''''' [[wikipedia:7-Zip|7-Zip]] --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 02:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Why are we discussing this on geohot's page? --[[User:Gamer765|Gamer765]] 04:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::The intial message was directed at geohot, inquiring about his thoughts on GUI apps on this wiki. He doesn't make his presence here known that often, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 04:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The Sysops here do such a good job I rarely have to step in. With regards to the GUI issue, it's not the most useful content on the wiki, but the idea of "advertising" a free program kind of seems like something not worth deleting over. Hard drive space is quite cheap. But then again, I'm not a dictator and perhaps this should be discussed somewhere besides my user page :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 04:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Rap Video ==<br />
Love the rap video! It could be the start of a whole new career! Plans to do another? [[User:Acheron|acheron]] 17:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
Geohot... I just wanted to say, thanks for all the work that you've done, and that you continue to do. You're a man among men. <br />
Veni, vidi, vici. {{unsigned|Rdqronos|01:36, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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== LocalSettings.php change needed ==<br />
I would like to have cydia:// urls working on this wiki, which requires an internal file changed. Please see [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal#Cydia links]]. Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Admin ==<br />
Again, can you rename me to 5urd and make me an admin? Or just make me an admin and I can do it myself. It seems unethical to have two accounts because if I get blocked, then I can use the other one... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:50, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Because people who ask will receive Admin. Go away. --Squiffypwn 14:11, 9 January 2012 (CST)<br />
::What? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::: How do I earn admin? --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 20:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: Be around for a while and have a track record of being helpful. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::: Ok. If someone who you asked says no can I be as you can see I have fixed a lot of things and will continue to do so. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 20:12, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
Maybe we could drop this whole thing altogether (the CSS primarily). I bet I could through together a theme that looks just like this, but it much easier to mod instead of using CSS styles (with save, refresh, test). I could install mediawiki on my computer and throw it together (professionally of course) and email it to you... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:53, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Wiki speed ==<br />
I just wanted to mention that in the last 2-3 days the wiki is so slow again, that it was unusable for me. I couldn't even notify you due to permanent timeouts. If you want, you can give me maybe other contact details for next time (you have my email to not tell this publicly). Right now it seems to be working, so I can write this. You might want to take a look at the logs/performance again. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 02:15, 14 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:I've ran some tests and the slow down is the page itself loading. I frequently get 324s (ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE) and a few 504s (Gateway timeout). As far as I can tell, it look like the database is the problem. I would recommend installing a cache plugin such as memcache. Please? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Upgrade ==<br />
Can we upgrade mediawiki? 1.20 is out and parser functions have had a couple of fixes. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Statuses ==<br />
I was wondering if we could have some sort of system which allows upgraded features without being admin after so long? Maybe after 6 months we can move a page without redirect or delete a page? If that wouldn't work maybe some sorta of points that can be earned and at a certain number of points you can then do this? --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 18:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:I see you don't understand the concept of Mediawiki. User privileges are determined by your rank (administrator, user, etc.). To do this would require writing an extension. The ability to move without making a redirect is only available to administrators as its use is not needed. If there is a typo, you can notify us to perform the move ourselves or just make the move. If it is obviously in need of deletion (as those typos were), just add a delete mark to it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 00:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:You can have 7 schrute bucks. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 18:10, 19 January 2013 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Baseband_Bootrom&diff=29684Talk:Baseband Bootrom2013-01-19T18:09:26Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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* '''bootrom''': 0x400000<br />
* '''NOR''': 0x20000000<br />
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== Deletion. ==<br />
I disagree with the deletion. We should remove the deletion marker and add more information to this page. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 18:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:That's fair, but do NOT remove deletion markers unless a discussion reached a consensus. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 21:05, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Ok sorry. I won't in future. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 21:24, 17 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: Is it ok to remove now as there is no one saying otherwise? --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 14:11, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:: I disagree with the deletion. This is an important page, although it doesn't contain a lot of information yet. It was created by [[User:Geohot|geohot]] himself. And I agree with [[User:5urd|5urd]] that before making changes you should wait until there's an agreement. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::: Ok. Is it ok to do so now as we seem to have agreed? --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 16:43, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::: Wait a few days more. Not everybody checks for wiki changes every hour. If no more comments come in until Monday night, yes, remove the marker. --[[User:Http|http]] ([[User talk:Http|talk]]) 17:04, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
::::: Ok sure. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 18:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)<br />
:::::: Why would we ever delete pages because they are old? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 18:09, 19 January 2013 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:5urd&diff=28775User talk:5urd2012-12-23T20:40:31Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== iBook ==<br />
Hey I'm taking on another project, I'm writing a iBook on the internals of jailbreaking. I was wondering if you might be interested on editing/giving ideas/or correcting information. You seem very educated in jailbreaking. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 00:23, 29 January 2012 (MST)<br />
: I don't want to be arrogant, but I think I could help you more ;) --[[User:Rud0lf77|rud0lf77]] 06:43, 29 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Ya I can help --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:39, 29 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I have a proof of the book [http://www.ra1n.net/hah/1.ibooks here] --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 16:50, 29 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Minor keypage edits ==<br />
You just made a ton of minor edits of the key pages (firmware pages) editing just empty lines or spaces (even invisible in diff). I understand that you do this for your own purpose so that one of your tools can lookup keys. But I would rather suggest to fix your parser instead of useless editing of these pages. Thank you. -- [[User:Http|http]] 00:51, 1 February 2012 (MST)<br />
:Sorry about this. I should have spaced it out a it wider than a few days. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:15, 1 February 2012 (MST)<br />
::Or just leave it? --[[User:Http|http]] 17:30, 1 February 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Or, yeah... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:53, 1 February 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Beta firmware kernelcache keys ==<br />
I noticed you added keys for the iPhone3,1 and 3,3 for SundanceVail 10A5316k. However, the list is incomplete, you are missing the kernelcache keys. In the future, could you please make sure all the keys are there before you submit the page? Thank you, [[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 19:22, 13 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
:That was not me, but I see how you thought that. [[User:INeal11|iNeal11]] added them, I just went through and lowercased them to follow the standard format (<span class="plainlinks">[{{FULLURL:SundanceVail 10A5316k (iPhone 4)|action=history}} iPhone3,1], [{{FULLURL:SundanceVail 10A5316k (iPhone 4 CDMA)|action=history}} iPhone3,3]</span>) --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 19:38, 13 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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== PurpleRestore Discussion Page ==<br />
But.. why did you delete [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Martepato&diff=0&oldid=28641 my last edit]?? --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] 11:19, 18 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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==Administrator==<br />
Want to be one? You pretty much fill the role of one already. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 19:57, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
: [[User:Geohot|geohot]] If possible I would like to be / earn it.<br />
:Ooh! Yes! Please! --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 20:34, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
::Done, keep up the good work. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:40, 23 December 2012 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Geohot&diff=28772User talk:Geohot2012-12-23T20:11:12Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== Future of this Wiki ==<br />
[[User:geohot|geohot]] is the founder of this wiki. Now that he has retired (or whatever) I would be interested to know how this Wiki continues. I'm a little scared that he could just turn it off. Maybe we should make some backups now? Or can geohot or a close insider provide some infos about the future of this Wiki? If geohot needs someone to take over this project, I would be happy to do so (and probably many others also). It would be awful to see all our contributions fade away. A clear statement by any insider would help. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 18:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I currently have no plans to shut down this wiki. Rest assured that if I do, I will make a backup available online. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 19:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::Thanks for clarification. This helps a lot. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:39, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
::The Sony case made me think of this again, especially when this wiki was down for a few hours. Perhaps you could give a backup to some trusted friend or so on a monthly or weekly basis? I would be happy to take the backups if you have no idea whom to give them - you have my email. -- [[User:Http|http]] 11:35, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::I do make offsite backups about once a week. There's a privacy issue with letting someone else have the data. Also, how is the spam still happening? Using accounts they already have? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 06:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Privacy: Because of the user emails and passwords or something else? It can only be someone you really trust of course. Otherwise encrypted with a key you don't give out would be an alternative way. Weekly offsite backups are sufficient for now I think. Maybe I'll create a regular backup of the visible pages if that's not a problem for you. Spam: No, all new accounts. For the discussion see here: [[Spam#Captcha]]. -- [[User:Http|http]] 08:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Access to [http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/ blog] archives ==<br />
Will you post the information on your initial iPhone 2G unlock anywhere? This used to be on your blog (in the archives) and was quite fascinating... :( [[User:D235j|D235j]] 01:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Other ==<br />
You made a rational decision leaving the jailbreak community. After all the crap you had to take from people I dont blame you. Im sorry for ever adding to the BS you deal with on a day-to-day basis. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 22:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)!<br />
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== Blog ==<br />
Hey mate, do you have any plans to make your blog public again? There was a lot of good information on there and it would be an official source of information and updates from you! Best! =) [[User:LiNK|LiNK]] 19:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Yeah, Please Open your Blog... Even if it doesnt have to do with jailbreaking or anything like that! I just want to know the real george hotz... [[User:xX-BLACK_OPS-Xx|LOLZ]] 9:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== About GUIs == <br />
Hi. What do you think about GUIs in this wiki.There are some programs which calls another program like [[iDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[iDecrypter]](Calls VFDecypt) [[WinDecrypt]](Calls VFDecrypt) [[Seas0npass]](Calls XPwn). Should these programs have a wiki page? Isnt it considered as advertising their program using this wiki? --[[User:Whiteshinyapple|Whiteshinyapple]] 02:07, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Mine ([[iDecryptIt]]) calls VFDecrypt '''''and''''' [[wikipedia:7-Zip|7-Zip]] --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 02:16, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Why are we discussing this on geohot's page? --[[User:Gamer765|Gamer765]] 04:24, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::The intial message was directed at geohot, inquiring about his thoughts on GUI apps on this wiki. He doesn't make his presence here known that often, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 04:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::The Sysops here do such a good job I rarely have to step in. With regards to the GUI issue, it's not the most useful content on the wiki, but the idea of "advertising" a free program kind of seems like something not worth deleting over. Hard drive space is quite cheap. But then again, I'm not a dictator and perhaps this should be discussed somewhere besides my user page :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 04:56, 30 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Rap Video ==<br />
Love the rap video! It could be the start of a whole new career! Plans to do another? [[User:Acheron|acheron]] 17:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Thanks ==<br />
Geohot... I just wanted to say, thanks for all the work that you've done, and that you continue to do. You're a man among men. <br />
Veni, vidi, vici. {{unsigned|Rdqronos|01:36, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
<br />
== LocalSettings.php change needed ==<br />
I would like to have cydia:// urls working on this wiki, which requires an internal file changed. Please see [[The iPhone Wiki:Community portal#Cydia links]]. Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Admin ==<br />
Again, can you rename me to 5urd and make me an admin? Or just make me an admin and I can do it myself. It seems unethical to have two accounts because if I get blocked, then I can use the other one... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:50, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Because people who ask will receive Admin. Go away. --Squiffypwn 14:11, 9 January 2012 (CST)<br />
::What? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::: How do I earn admin? --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 20:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::: Be around for a while and have a track record of being helpful. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:11, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Skin ==<br />
Maybe we could drop this whole thing altogether (the CSS primarily). I bet I could through together a theme that looks just like this, but it much easier to mod instead of using CSS styles (with save, refresh, test). I could install mediawiki on my computer and throw it together (professionally of course) and email it to you... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:53, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Wiki speed ==<br />
I just wanted to mention that in the last 2-3 days the wiki is so slow again, that it was unusable for me. I couldn't even notify you due to permanent timeouts. If you want, you can give me maybe other contact details for next time (you have my email to not tell this publicly). Right now it seems to be working, so I can write this. You might want to take a look at the logs/performance again. Thanks. --[[User:Http|http]] 02:15, 14 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:I've ran some tests and the slow down is the page itself loading. I frequently get 324s (ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE) and a few 504s (Gateway timeout). As far as I can tell, it look like the database is the problem. I would recommend installing a cache plugin such as memcache. Please? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Upgrade ==<br />
Can we upgrade mediawiki? 1.20 is out and parser functions have had a couple of fixes. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:11, 6 December 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28770The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-12-23T20:09:23Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== THIS IS THE NEW MIRROR ==<br />
Isn't migration fun? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 22:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:So much --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 23:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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The migration is complete and the old site has been taken offline. Costs me about $50 per month to run, but for now am still avoiding donations or ads. The old one was unacceptably slow, this site gets about 100,000 page loads per day and it was time to move to server that could handle it. It's using a Squid proxy and barely loaded now, so it is capable of handling much more traffic. And it's much more of a pleasure to visit. I'm hoping the increase in speed will encourage more content creation, and if there's anything else I can do to encourage that, let me know, I'm happy to do it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 20:09, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== More Esser Info ===<br />
i0nic's slides from his CanSecWest [http://antid0te.com/CSW2012_StefanEsser_iOS5_An_Exploitation_Nightmare_FINAL.pdf presentation have been released]. Where should we link to them from? --[[User:Beej|beej]] 17:38, 17 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPhone-Elite ===<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Theme ===<br />
Several people are compaining about the theming/style change [http://twitter.com/#!/DarkMalloc/status/174555059777052672 1] [http://twitter.com/#!/Gojohnnyboi/status/178253989232648192 2]. I wasn't involved in this change (except the new image), but I think there was no discussion about changing the default style. Can't we switch the default style back to how it was and for those that like a fancy new theme can still have the new one? -- [[User:Http|http]] 16:37, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
:The way to add new themes would be to have access to the server. Thats why we did this. What we can do is get geohot to copy Vector.php, Vector.deps.php, and Vector/ to iPhone.php, iPhone.deps.php, and iPhone/ and modify some variables. I can do that. Then just move [[Mediawiki:Vector.css]] to [[Mediawiki:iPhone.css]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 17:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
::Second this. In fact, seeing as it'll have the same base html/css/js as vector, geohot can copy Vector.deps.php&rarr;iPhone.deps.php, [http://pastie.org/3583443 save this to iPhone.php], put <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt> in LocalSettings.php and then [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=special:movepage&wpOldTitle=mediawiki:vector.css&wpNewTitle=mediawiki:iPhone.css&wpReason=moving+iphone+style+to+separate+skin&wpMovetalk=1 move the css] [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As I've tweeted about since last night, I decided to give the current iOS-like theme a bit of a makeover. [http://img.ly/fa7T Here's] how it looks in Chromium. The theme also works in Firefox for Windows, except the left navigation tabs aren't shifted closer to the center. I haven't gotten around to testing it in other browsers just yet, unfortunately. Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 18:32, 12 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
::Looks great, though as I mentioned on twitter, the heading should be put somewhere in the title bar area so it looks more realistic. Maybe something similar to the "other network" window under Wi-Fi settings. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::That'd be nice, but I don't want the page heading to overlap the tabs. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:46, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
I added my modifications to the theme. It works as desired in all (desktop) browsers except IE… I'll make an attempt at improving the theme in IE 7/+. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:05, 8 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Looking great :) I tested in IE8 and 9, doesn't look too bad, barring the unselected tabs due to the solid background; you can use the longer <tt>filter</tt>/<tt>-ms-filter</tt> syntax [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms532997(v=vs.85).aspx like so] for IE gradients [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 09:06, 15 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
I created more modifications that I'd like feedback on before the possibly get implemented. Both of these are meant to further help emulate the iOS look. I was thinking of giving the sidebar and header bar fixed positioning, so they stick around regardless of where you scroll. ([http://img.ly/nded Screenshot]) I also created some CSS that makes some headers (particularly those on the [[Main Page]] and [[Special:SpecialPages|Special pages]] page) look like iOS… sections? (I don't recall the correct term for it.) [http://img.ly/ndee Here's] a screenshot since I suck at describing what I'm trying to say. :P Thoughts on these changes? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:39, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:They're section headers :) and they look great, but maybe some negative margins (like <code>margin: 0 -8px</code>) could be used to make them extend to the edge of the page area and look more iOS-y. The top bar could go well with some fixed positioning, but I don't think the sidebar should. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:51, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I didn't really want the sidebar to be fixed either. However, the title bar actually stretches across the complete width of the page, and scrolling down on long pages can reveal that.[http://img.ly/nk8O] Currently, that section of the title bar is hidden by applying the linen background to the logo, hence why I currently have the sidebar fixed. Any ideas on how deal with the title bar? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:04, 14 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::One small issue I noticed with making the title bar fixed is that, when you click on an anchor link, the title bar will cover up the header for the section you're looking at (and some content as well). You can always scroll a little up to see what was being blocked though. To combat this problem, I entertained the idea of making just the area where page content is displayed the part that scrolls.[http://img.ly/nqrY] I don't think that a lot of people (especially those with small screens) would like this change, so I'm expecting heavy criticism. I plan on using the previously-mentioned method for the fixed title bar instead of this newer method, unless everybody actually prefers the newer method. :P (Note that the scrolling area is not for the whole page, just the content area.) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:13, 16 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== [[Firmware]] page ===<br />
I know I just created the iPad mini and iPad (4th generation) entries on the [[Firmware]] page, but I was thinking… Instead of keeping the firmware tables unique to each model, could we keep the firmware tables divided by ''generation'' instead? (i.e. Instead of editing three pages for the iPad mini to add a new firmware, there would be just one page that holds the three firmware tables.) It'd certainly help keep the amount of changes made with each new firmware to a minimum. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:50, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:That would certainly reduce the amount of edits. They were separated as the source was getting ridiculously long. I'm for it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:00, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As long as no information gets lost, feel free to change it. But I wonder how you want to put all this into a horizontal design. I think it won't fit or you'd have to remove infos. Can you explain further? --[[User:Http|http]] 00:31, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I think you might be misunderstanding a bit; I'm planning on, as one example, copying all of the iPad 2 firmware tables into one embedded page, instead of having four different pages that require editing. Everything's still going to look the same. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:21, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::Yes, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to regroup the lists by iOS version. Yes, just grouping more devices together seems like a simple change and seems to be useful. --[[User:Http|http]] 04:06, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Maybe we could do it like [[Beta Firmware]] where all current devices are on the page while deprecated devices are separated off. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 18:45, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPad mini ===<br />
Me and Alex were chatting on Twitter and the topic of what to do with the iPad mini and two solutions came up:<br />
* New section on [[iPad]]<br />
* New page: [[iPad mini]]<br />
The problem I see with the new page is there are three different models and when we have multiple models for a device, we make the page with that name a disambiguation page. Maybe we could have [[iPad mini]] have a note at the top to a disambiguation page ([[iPad mini (disambiguation)]] or [[iPad mini (first generation)]])? I don't want [[iPad mini 1G]] as we don't list the key pages with the 1G in the title ([[Wildcat 7B500 (iPad)|Wildcat 7B500 ('''iPad''')]]). Any thoughts? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 09:51, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:So let's see what we have right now for all the other categories:<br />
:* [[iPhone]] -> [[m68ap]] for 1st gen, [[n82ap]] for 2nd gen, [[n88ap]] 3rd gen, [[iPhone 4]] with different models [[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]], etc.<br />
:* [[iPod touch]] -> [[n45ap]] for 1st gen, [[n72ap]] for 2nd gen, etc.<br />
:* [[iPad]] -> [[k48ap]] for 1st gen (both Wi-Fi and 3G), [[iPad 2]] for 2nd gen with [[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]], etc.<br />
:* [[Apple TV]] -> [[k66ap]] for 2nd gen<br />
:* [[iPad mini]] -> ? for 1st gen with kap123 etc. for the different models<br />
:So previously we didn't have the problem, because:<br />
:* 1st gen iPhone was only available in one model, [[m68ap]]<br />
:* same for iPod touch, only one model, [[n45ap]]<br />
:* for iPad, both models (Wi-Fi and 3G) had the same model number, later devices have different numbers.<br />
:* for Apple TV, the first iOS version was 2nd gen, so the name without a version number can be used for the device category<br />
:For me it's clear that [[iPad mini]] is for the category of device and must be a separate page. As long as we have only one model, we can add all infos to there and don't create another page between the category and the individual models.<br />
:So the question comes up what to use later when there are more generations, what to use as disambiguation page between the category page [[iPad mini]] and the individual models, something that describes the first generation. We can't use [[iPad mini]], because that's for the category. Why not use [[iPad mini 1]] or [[iPad mini 1G]]? I mean the only problem is that it doesn't match the key pages. So either we start the key pages to include the generation as well, or we simply ignore this difference. I mean why is this a problem if this single page to describe the specifics of the first generation iPad mini has a generation number in the page title? Everybody knows that leaving this 1G away gets you to the device category page [[iPad mini]]. So I don't see a problem here. And as long as there is no 2nd generation, we don't even need such a page. Ok, so I suggest:<br />
:* create [[iPad mini]] for the device category<br />
:* while no 2nd generation exists, put all links onto that same page [[iPad mini]]<br />
:* when 2nd gen iPad mini comes out, create a page [[iPad mini 1]] and [[iPad mini 2]] (or with the "G" if you wish)<br />
:* the key pages can be with our without the "1G", I don't care<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 14:46, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I went ahead and moved the stuff to [[iPad mini]] with a possible link to [[iPad mini 1G]]. I kept the G because everything else has it. I also put a note up on [[iPad]] for the link. The key pages should be determined on how they are with other devices:<br />
::* One model type (like iPad 1G)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini)</code><br />
::* Multiple (all else)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Wi-Fi)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini GSM)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Global)</code><br />
::I don't think we should put the <code>1G</code> on the key pages as we don't use <code>(iPhone 2G)</code>, <code>(iPod touch 1G)</code>, or <code>(iPad 1G)</code>. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Baseband Chip Pages ===<br />
This has been discused before, but why do we use the marketing name for the earliest three baseband chip pages? Because we list the processors under their internal name (not marketing) and the device pages are their internal, not marketing ([[n82ap]] instead of "iPhone 3G"; [[n72ap]] instead of "iPod touch 3G" or "iPod touch (third generation)"). We even have the key pages by code name and build number, not version! Those three pages are the only ones that are listed under their marketing name, not internal. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:24, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key Pages for [[n90ap|iPhone 4 GSM]] ===<br />
Currently, we list the GSM varient's key pages with <code>(iPhone 4)</code> with the Rev A ones at <code>(iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)</code>, but if Apple decides to release another version of the [[n92ap|CDMA varient]], then we would have:<br />
* iPhone 4<br />
* iPhone 4 GSM Rev A<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA Rev A<br />
I think we should move the original GSM ones to <code>iPhone 4 GSM</code> like we do for other pages such as [[Firmware]] ([[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM Rev A|GSM Rev A]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]) and [[Beta Firmware]] ([[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]). This was proposed back about a month after the CDMA version came out, but we left it.<br /><br />
Maybe just four or five pages a day? It will take a few weeks, but it could be done. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:02, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Being the person that initially proposed this change, it sounds good to me (as I said on Twitter). Since there are quite a lot of key pages, it would definitely be best to spread out the change over several days (or weeks). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:01, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:The extension <code>(iPhone 4)</code> was fine when there was only one iPhone 4. But now, with the CDMA, Rev. A, etc. we need the differentiation. So yes, I agree with the change. But I would rather change all pages at once (if everybody agrees to the change itself). Preferably during a quiet time, when there were no other edits for a week or so. And by the way, for the iPhone 5, Apple refers to the two models as A1428 and A1429, not Global and GSM: [http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/] --[[User:Http|http]] 01:33, 2 November 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Server error ===<br />
Is this server playing up? I ask this because it loads very slow and a lot of the time the pages do not show correctly. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 12:16, 7 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Found out that its the CSS not loading. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 15:59, 8 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== IRC Channel ===<br />
I have made an IRC Channel for this website. irc.freenode.net #theiphonewiki . Please add this to the main page too. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] 11:19, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:It was there before, but later removed as no one used it. Check the history of [[Main Page/Welcome]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 14:06, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: I see but if it is on the main page then it may be used. I do not mind running the channel at all. Please consider this. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 14:07, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think you are running it if it is on FreeNode.<br />
:::: I dont think anyone will use it; i was there today just to see who else was, just adam and kirb. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:35, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::::: I am running it as it wasnt registered. Also Haifisch maybe because I only made it today. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 17:37, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::: Thats all you did was register the channel, technically not running it. Saurik runs #iphone cause its on his server. Plus i dont think anyone ''will'' use it. What can they ask there that couldnt here? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:41, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
Well more support like how to use wiki features etc. Also we will see. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 18:20, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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==mediawiki upgraded==<br />
Now version 1.20.2 And switched to PHP 5.4, hopefully it'll be faster. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 00:49, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Thanks --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 00:52, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: We have realish caching now too, there's no reason this site perf should be bad. If it's still slow at all tomorrow, let me know and I'll move to rackspace --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:19, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:Definitely seems faster. The update caused a few CSS problems though - the background image URL needs to be updated to [http://theiphonewiki.com/w/images/1/1a/ScrollView_Texture.png this] and the borders on the top buttons need to be removed. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 04:24, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::I'll be working on the CSS fixes. It should be done by tonight. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:39, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::: Great. Seems much faster now. Thanks [[User:Geohot|geohot]]. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 11:40, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Great! But we now have a problem. The <code>www</code> mirror is not a duplicate, but a whole nother instance. If you compare the Recent Changes of them both, they are different. George, can you edit the <code>.htaccess</code> or whatever to **REDIRECT** all traffic over? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 04:50, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::So after clicking Save, I was put onto <code>166.78.23.129</code>. Its the same site, but I'm no longer logged in. The edit was saved as you can see, but it could be annoying and ip addresses can be scary to paranoid people. Is there something that tells the server to send you to that IP address when you save? If there is, can you change that also? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 04:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Err yea, it isn't exactly "mirroring". Everything is switched to 166.78.23.129, and I configured it so it no longer shows up as an ip address. A redirect is tricky, because where do I redirect it to, the ip? Where do links from that site go? The traffic to the old site has been going down every hour, and will fully switch once everyones DNS cache is flushed. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 16:48, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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=== Title icon ===<br />
The top left icon is showing an iPhone 4S. I have made one similar for the iPhone 5. Please consider using it. http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/File:I5.png --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 16:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:5urd&diff=28768User talk:5urd2012-12-23T19:57:05Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== iBook ==<br />
Hey I'm taking on another project, I'm writing a iBook on the internals of jailbreaking. I was wondering if you might be interested on editing/giving ideas/or correcting information. You seem very educated in jailbreaking. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 00:23, 29 January 2012 (MST)<br />
: I don't want to be arrogant, but I think I could help you more ;) --[[User:Rud0lf77|rud0lf77]] 06:43, 29 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Ya I can help --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:39, 29 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I have a proof of the book [http://www.ra1n.net/hah/1.ibooks here] --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 16:50, 29 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Minor keypage edits ==<br />
You just made a ton of minor edits of the key pages (firmware pages) editing just empty lines or spaces (even invisible in diff). I understand that you do this for your own purpose so that one of your tools can lookup keys. But I would rather suggest to fix your parser instead of useless editing of these pages. Thank you. -- [[User:Http|http]] 00:51, 1 February 2012 (MST)<br />
:Sorry about this. I should have spaced it out a it wider than a few days. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:15, 1 February 2012 (MST)<br />
::Or just leave it? --[[User:Http|http]] 17:30, 1 February 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Or, yeah... --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:53, 1 February 2012 (MST)<br />
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== Beta firmware kernelcache keys ==<br />
I noticed you added keys for the iPhone3,1 and 3,3 for SundanceVail 10A5316k. However, the list is incomplete, you are missing the kernelcache keys. In the future, could you please make sure all the keys are there before you submit the page? Thank you, [[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 19:22, 13 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
:That was not me, but I see how you thought that. [[User:INeal11|iNeal11]] added them, I just went through and lowercased them to follow the standard format (<span class="plainlinks">[{{FULLURL:SundanceVail 10A5316k (iPhone 4)|action=history}} iPhone3,1], [{{FULLURL:SundanceVail 10A5316k (iPhone 4 CDMA)|action=history}} iPhone3,3]</span>) --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 19:38, 13 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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== PurpleRestore Discussion Page ==<br />
But.. why did you delete [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Martepato&diff=0&oldid=28641 my last edit]?? --[[User:Jaggions|Jaggions]] 11:19, 18 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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==Administrator==<br />
Want to be one? You pretty much fill the role of one already. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 19:57, 23 December 2012 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kirb&diff=28767User talk:Kirb2012-12-23T19:56:26Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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If you have a question related to jailbreaking, you can [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&section=new}} post a message]. If it's urgent, please [https://twitter.com/thekirbylover tweet me] instead.<br />
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== Cydia Package ==<br />
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What is the repo needed for your package? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 17:55, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:The Siri graphics theme? It's on ModMyi. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 17:57, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Administrator==<br />
Want to be one? Will let you make CSS changes and the like. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 19:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28765The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-12-23T16:48:52Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== THIS IS THE NEW MIRROR ==<br />
Isn't migration fun? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 22:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:So much --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 23:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== More Esser Info ===<br />
i0nic's slides from his CanSecWest [http://antid0te.com/CSW2012_StefanEsser_iOS5_An_Exploitation_Nightmare_FINAL.pdf presentation have been released]. Where should we link to them from? --[[User:Beej|beej]] 17:38, 17 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPhone-Elite ===<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Theme ===<br />
Several people are compaining about the theming/style change [http://twitter.com/#!/DarkMalloc/status/174555059777052672 1] [http://twitter.com/#!/Gojohnnyboi/status/178253989232648192 2]. I wasn't involved in this change (except the new image), but I think there was no discussion about changing the default style. Can't we switch the default style back to how it was and for those that like a fancy new theme can still have the new one? -- [[User:Http|http]] 16:37, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
:The way to add new themes would be to have access to the server. Thats why we did this. What we can do is get geohot to copy Vector.php, Vector.deps.php, and Vector/ to iPhone.php, iPhone.deps.php, and iPhone/ and modify some variables. I can do that. Then just move [[Mediawiki:Vector.css]] to [[Mediawiki:iPhone.css]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 17:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
::Second this. In fact, seeing as it'll have the same base html/css/js as vector, geohot can copy Vector.deps.php&rarr;iPhone.deps.php, [http://pastie.org/3583443 save this to iPhone.php], put <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt> in LocalSettings.php and then [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=special:movepage&wpOldTitle=mediawiki:vector.css&wpNewTitle=mediawiki:iPhone.css&wpReason=moving+iphone+style+to+separate+skin&wpMovetalk=1 move the css] [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As I've tweeted about since last night, I decided to give the current iOS-like theme a bit of a makeover. [http://img.ly/fa7T Here's] how it looks in Chromium. The theme also works in Firefox for Windows, except the left navigation tabs aren't shifted closer to the center. I haven't gotten around to testing it in other browsers just yet, unfortunately. Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 18:32, 12 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
::Looks great, though as I mentioned on twitter, the heading should be put somewhere in the title bar area so it looks more realistic. Maybe something similar to the "other network" window under Wi-Fi settings. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::That'd be nice, but I don't want the page heading to overlap the tabs. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:46, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
I added my modifications to the theme. It works as desired in all (desktop) browsers except IE… I'll make an attempt at improving the theme in IE 7/+. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:05, 8 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Looking great :) I tested in IE8 and 9, doesn't look too bad, barring the unselected tabs due to the solid background; you can use the longer <tt>filter</tt>/<tt>-ms-filter</tt> syntax [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms532997(v=vs.85).aspx like so] for IE gradients [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 09:06, 15 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
I created more modifications that I'd like feedback on before the possibly get implemented. Both of these are meant to further help emulate the iOS look. I was thinking of giving the sidebar and header bar fixed positioning, so they stick around regardless of where you scroll. ([http://img.ly/nded Screenshot]) I also created some CSS that makes some headers (particularly those on the [[Main Page]] and [[Special:SpecialPages|Special pages]] page) look like iOS… sections? (I don't recall the correct term for it.) [http://img.ly/ndee Here's] a screenshot since I suck at describing what I'm trying to say. :P Thoughts on these changes? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:39, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:They're section headers :) and they look great, but maybe some negative margins (like <code>margin: 0 -8px</code>) could be used to make them extend to the edge of the page area and look more iOS-y. The top bar could go well with some fixed positioning, but I don't think the sidebar should. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:51, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I didn't really want the sidebar to be fixed either. However, the title bar actually stretches across the complete width of the page, and scrolling down on long pages can reveal that.[http://img.ly/nk8O] Currently, that section of the title bar is hidden by applying the linen background to the logo, hence why I currently have the sidebar fixed. Any ideas on how deal with the title bar? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:04, 14 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::One small issue I noticed with making the title bar fixed is that, when you click on an anchor link, the title bar will cover up the header for the section you're looking at (and some content as well). You can always scroll a little up to see what was being blocked though. To combat this problem, I entertained the idea of making just the area where page content is displayed the part that scrolls.[http://img.ly/nqrY] I don't think that a lot of people (especially those with small screens) would like this change, so I'm expecting heavy criticism. I plan on using the previously-mentioned method for the fixed title bar instead of this newer method, unless everybody actually prefers the newer method. :P (Note that the scrolling area is not for the whole page, just the content area.) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:13, 16 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== [[Firmware]] page ===<br />
I know I just created the iPad mini and iPad (4th generation) entries on the [[Firmware]] page, but I was thinking… Instead of keeping the firmware tables unique to each model, could we keep the firmware tables divided by ''generation'' instead? (i.e. Instead of editing three pages for the iPad mini to add a new firmware, there would be just one page that holds the three firmware tables.) It'd certainly help keep the amount of changes made with each new firmware to a minimum. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:50, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:That would certainly reduce the amount of edits. They were separated as the source was getting ridiculously long. I'm for it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:00, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As long as no information gets lost, feel free to change it. But I wonder how you want to put all this into a horizontal design. I think it won't fit or you'd have to remove infos. Can you explain further? --[[User:Http|http]] 00:31, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I think you might be misunderstanding a bit; I'm planning on, as one example, copying all of the iPad 2 firmware tables into one embedded page, instead of having four different pages that require editing. Everything's still going to look the same. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:21, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::Yes, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to regroup the lists by iOS version. Yes, just grouping more devices together seems like a simple change and seems to be useful. --[[User:Http|http]] 04:06, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Maybe we could do it like [[Beta Firmware]] where all current devices are on the page while deprecated devices are separated off. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 18:45, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPad mini ===<br />
Me and Alex were chatting on Twitter and the topic of what to do with the iPad mini and two solutions came up:<br />
* New section on [[iPad]]<br />
* New page: [[iPad mini]]<br />
The problem I see with the new page is there are three different models and when we have multiple models for a device, we make the page with that name a disambiguation page. Maybe we could have [[iPad mini]] have a note at the top to a disambiguation page ([[iPad mini (disambiguation)]] or [[iPad mini (first generation)]])? I don't want [[iPad mini 1G]] as we don't list the key pages with the 1G in the title ([[Wildcat 7B500 (iPad)|Wildcat 7B500 ('''iPad''')]]). Any thoughts? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 09:51, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:So let's see what we have right now for all the other categories:<br />
:* [[iPhone]] -> [[m68ap]] for 1st gen, [[n82ap]] for 2nd gen, [[n88ap]] 3rd gen, [[iPhone 4]] with different models [[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]], etc.<br />
:* [[iPod touch]] -> [[n45ap]] for 1st gen, [[n72ap]] for 2nd gen, etc.<br />
:* [[iPad]] -> [[k48ap]] for 1st gen (both Wi-Fi and 3G), [[iPad 2]] for 2nd gen with [[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]], etc.<br />
:* [[Apple TV]] -> [[k66ap]] for 2nd gen<br />
:* [[iPad mini]] -> ? for 1st gen with kap123 etc. for the different models<br />
:So previously we didn't have the problem, because:<br />
:* 1st gen iPhone was only available in one model, [[m68ap]]<br />
:* same for iPod touch, only one model, [[n45ap]]<br />
:* for iPad, both models (Wi-Fi and 3G) had the same model number, later devices have different numbers.<br />
:* for Apple TV, the first iOS version was 2nd gen, so the name without a version number can be used for the device category<br />
:For me it's clear that [[iPad mini]] is for the category of device and must be a separate page. As long as we have only one model, we can add all infos to there and don't create another page between the category and the individual models.<br />
:So the question comes up what to use later when there are more generations, what to use as disambiguation page between the category page [[iPad mini]] and the individual models, something that describes the first generation. We can't use [[iPad mini]], because that's for the category. Why not use [[iPad mini 1]] or [[iPad mini 1G]]? I mean the only problem is that it doesn't match the key pages. So either we start the key pages to include the generation as well, or we simply ignore this difference. I mean why is this a problem if this single page to describe the specifics of the first generation iPad mini has a generation number in the page title? Everybody knows that leaving this 1G away gets you to the device category page [[iPad mini]]. So I don't see a problem here. And as long as there is no 2nd generation, we don't even need such a page. Ok, so I suggest:<br />
:* create [[iPad mini]] for the device category<br />
:* while no 2nd generation exists, put all links onto that same page [[iPad mini]]<br />
:* when 2nd gen iPad mini comes out, create a page [[iPad mini 1]] and [[iPad mini 2]] (or with the "G" if you wish)<br />
:* the key pages can be with our without the "1G", I don't care<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 14:46, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I went ahead and moved the stuff to [[iPad mini]] with a possible link to [[iPad mini 1G]]. I kept the G because everything else has it. I also put a note up on [[iPad]] for the link. The key pages should be determined on how they are with other devices:<br />
::* One model type (like iPad 1G)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini)</code><br />
::* Multiple (all else)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Wi-Fi)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini GSM)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Global)</code><br />
::I don't think we should put the <code>1G</code> on the key pages as we don't use <code>(iPhone 2G)</code>, <code>(iPod touch 1G)</code>, or <code>(iPad 1G)</code>. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Baseband Chip Pages ===<br />
This has been discused before, but why do we use the marketing name for the earliest three baseband chip pages? Because we list the processors under their internal name (not marketing) and the device pages are their internal, not marketing ([[n82ap]] instead of "iPhone 3G"; [[n72ap]] instead of "iPod touch 3G" or "iPod touch (third generation)"). We even have the key pages by code name and build number, not version! Those three pages are the only ones that are listed under their marketing name, not internal. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:24, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key Pages for [[n90ap|iPhone 4 GSM]] ===<br />
Currently, we list the GSM varient's key pages with <code>(iPhone 4)</code> with the Rev A ones at <code>(iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)</code>, but if Apple decides to release another version of the [[n92ap|CDMA varient]], then we would have:<br />
* iPhone 4<br />
* iPhone 4 GSM Rev A<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA Rev A<br />
I think we should move the original GSM ones to <code>iPhone 4 GSM</code> like we do for other pages such as [[Firmware]] ([[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM Rev A|GSM Rev A]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]) and [[Beta Firmware]] ([[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]). This was proposed back about a month after the CDMA version came out, but we left it.<br /><br />
Maybe just four or five pages a day? It will take a few weeks, but it could be done. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:02, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Being the person that initially proposed this change, it sounds good to me (as I said on Twitter). Since there are quite a lot of key pages, it would definitely be best to spread out the change over several days (or weeks). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:01, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:The extension <code>(iPhone 4)</code> was fine when there was only one iPhone 4. But now, with the CDMA, Rev. A, etc. we need the differentiation. So yes, I agree with the change. But I would rather change all pages at once (if everybody agrees to the change itself). Preferably during a quiet time, when there were no other edits for a week or so. And by the way, for the iPhone 5, Apple refers to the two models as A1428 and A1429, not Global and GSM: [http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/] --[[User:Http|http]] 01:33, 2 November 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Server error ===<br />
Is this server playing up? I ask this because it loads very slow and a lot of the time the pages do not show correctly. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 12:16, 7 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Found out that its the CSS not loading. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 15:59, 8 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== IRC Channel ===<br />
I have made an IRC Channel for this website. irc.freenode.net #theiphonewiki . Please add this to the main page too. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] 11:19, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:It was there before, but later removed as no one used it. Check the history of [[Main Page/Welcome]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 14:06, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: I see but if it is on the main page then it may be used. I do not mind running the channel at all. Please consider this. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 14:07, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think you are running it if it is on FreeNode.<br />
:::: I dont think anyone will use it; i was there today just to see who else was, just adam and kirb. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:35, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::::: I am running it as it wasnt registered. Also Haifisch maybe because I only made it today. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 17:37, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::: Thats all you did was register the channel, technically not running it. Saurik runs #iphone cause its on his server. Plus i dont think anyone ''will'' use it. What can they ask there that couldnt here? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:41, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
Well more support like how to use wiki features etc. Also we will see. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 18:20, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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==mediawiki upgraded==<br />
Now version 1.20.2 And switched to PHP 5.4, hopefully it'll be faster. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 00:49, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Thanks --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 00:52, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: We have realish caching now too, there's no reason this site perf should be bad. If it's still slow at all tomorrow, let me know and I'll move to rackspace --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:19, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:Definitely seems faster. The update caused a few CSS problems though - the background image URL needs to be updated to [http://theiphonewiki.com/w/images/1/1a/ScrollView_Texture.png this] and the borders on the top buttons need to be removed. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 04:24, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::I'll be working on the CSS fixes. It should be done by tonight. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:39, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::: Great. Seems much faster now. Thanks [[User:Geohot|geohot]]. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 11:40, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Great! But we now have a problem. The <code>www</code> mirror is not a duplicate, but a whole nother instance. If you compare the Recent Changes of them both, they are different. George, can you edit the <code>.htaccess</code> or whatever to **REDIRECT** all traffic over? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 04:50, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
::::So after clicking Save, I was put onto <code>166.78.23.129</code>. Its the same site, but I'm no longer logged in. The edit was saved as you can see, but it could be annoying and ip addresses can be scary to paranoid people. Is there something that tells the server to send you to that IP address when you save? If there is, can you change that also? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] ([[User talk:5urd|talk]]) 04:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
:::::Err yea, it isn't exactly "mirroring". Everything is switched to 166.78.23.129, and I configured it so it no longer shows up as an ip address. A redirect is tricky, because where do I redirect it to, the ip? Where do links from that site go? The traffic to the old site has been going down every hour, and will fully switch once everyones DNS cache is flushed. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 16:48, 23 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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=== Title icon ===<br />
The top left icon is showing an iPhone 4S. I have made one similar for the iPhone 5. Please consider using it. http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/File:I5.png --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 16:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28737The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-12-22T22:35:16Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== THIS IS THE NEW MIRROR ==<br />
Isn't migration fun? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 22:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== More Esser Info ===<br />
i0nic's slides from his CanSecWest [http://antid0te.com/CSW2012_StefanEsser_iOS5_An_Exploitation_Nightmare_FINAL.pdf presentation have been released]. Where should we link to them from? --[[User:Beej|beej]] 17:38, 17 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPhone-Elite ===<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Theme ===<br />
Several people are compaining about the theming/style change [http://twitter.com/#!/DarkMalloc/status/174555059777052672 1] [http://twitter.com/#!/Gojohnnyboi/status/178253989232648192 2]. I wasn't involved in this change (except the new image), but I think there was no discussion about changing the default style. Can't we switch the default style back to how it was and for those that like a fancy new theme can still have the new one? -- [[User:Http|http]] 16:37, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
:The way to add new themes would be to have access to the server. Thats why we did this. What we can do is get geohot to copy Vector.php, Vector.deps.php, and Vector/ to iPhone.php, iPhone.deps.php, and iPhone/ and modify some variables. I can do that. Then just move [[Mediawiki:Vector.css]] to [[Mediawiki:iPhone.css]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 17:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
::Second this. In fact, seeing as it'll have the same base html/css/js as vector, geohot can copy Vector.deps.php&rarr;iPhone.deps.php, [http://pastie.org/3583443 save this to iPhone.php], put <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt> in LocalSettings.php and then [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=special:movepage&wpOldTitle=mediawiki:vector.css&wpNewTitle=mediawiki:iPhone.css&wpReason=moving+iphone+style+to+separate+skin&wpMovetalk=1 move the css] [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As I've tweeted about since last night, I decided to give the current iOS-like theme a bit of a makeover. [http://img.ly/fa7T Here's] how it looks in Chromium. The theme also works in Firefox for Windows, except the left navigation tabs aren't shifted closer to the center. I haven't gotten around to testing it in other browsers just yet, unfortunately. Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 18:32, 12 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
::Looks great, though as I mentioned on twitter, the heading should be put somewhere in the title bar area so it looks more realistic. Maybe something similar to the "other network" window under Wi-Fi settings. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::That'd be nice, but I don't want the page heading to overlap the tabs. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:46, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
I added my modifications to the theme. It works as desired in all (desktop) browsers except IE… I'll make an attempt at improving the theme in IE 7/+. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:05, 8 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Looking great :) I tested in IE8 and 9, doesn't look too bad, barring the unselected tabs due to the solid background; you can use the longer <tt>filter</tt>/<tt>-ms-filter</tt> syntax [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms532997(v=vs.85).aspx like so] for IE gradients [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 09:06, 15 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
I created more modifications that I'd like feedback on before the possibly get implemented. Both of these are meant to further help emulate the iOS look. I was thinking of giving the sidebar and header bar fixed positioning, so they stick around regardless of where you scroll. ([http://img.ly/nded Screenshot]) I also created some CSS that makes some headers (particularly those on the [[Main Page]] and [[Special:SpecialPages|Special pages]] page) look like iOS… sections? (I don't recall the correct term for it.) [http://img.ly/ndee Here's] a screenshot since I suck at describing what I'm trying to say. :P Thoughts on these changes? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:39, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:They're section headers :) and they look great, but maybe some negative margins (like <code>margin: 0 -8px</code>) could be used to make them extend to the edge of the page area and look more iOS-y. The top bar could go well with some fixed positioning, but I don't think the sidebar should. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:51, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I didn't really want the sidebar to be fixed either. However, the title bar actually stretches across the complete width of the page, and scrolling down on long pages can reveal that.[http://img.ly/nk8O] Currently, that section of the title bar is hidden by applying the linen background to the logo, hence why I currently have the sidebar fixed. Any ideas on how deal with the title bar? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:04, 14 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::One small issue I noticed with making the title bar fixed is that, when you click on an anchor link, the title bar will cover up the header for the section you're looking at (and some content as well). You can always scroll a little up to see what was being blocked though. To combat this problem, I entertained the idea of making just the area where page content is displayed the part that scrolls.[http://img.ly/nqrY] I don't think that a lot of people (especially those with small screens) would like this change, so I'm expecting heavy criticism. I plan on using the previously-mentioned method for the fixed title bar instead of this newer method, unless everybody actually prefers the newer method. :P (Note that the scrolling area is not for the whole page, just the content area.) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:13, 16 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== [[Firmware]] page ===<br />
I know I just created the iPad mini and iPad (4th generation) entries on the [[Firmware]] page, but I was thinking… Instead of keeping the firmware tables unique to each model, could we keep the firmware tables divided by ''generation'' instead? (i.e. Instead of editing three pages for the iPad mini to add a new firmware, there would be just one page that holds the three firmware tables.) It'd certainly help keep the amount of changes made with each new firmware to a minimum. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:50, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:That would certainly reduce the amount of edits. They were separated as the source was getting ridiculously long. I'm for it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:00, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As long as no information gets lost, feel free to change it. But I wonder how you want to put all this into a horizontal design. I think it won't fit or you'd have to remove infos. Can you explain further? --[[User:Http|http]] 00:31, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I think you might be misunderstanding a bit; I'm planning on, as one example, copying all of the iPad 2 firmware tables into one embedded page, instead of having four different pages that require editing. Everything's still going to look the same. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:21, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::Yes, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to regroup the lists by iOS version. Yes, just grouping more devices together seems like a simple change and seems to be useful. --[[User:Http|http]] 04:06, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Maybe we could do it like [[Beta Firmware]] where all current devices are on the page while deprecated devices are separated off. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 18:45, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPad mini ===<br />
Me and Alex were chatting on Twitter and the topic of what to do with the iPad mini and two solutions came up:<br />
* New section on [[iPad]]<br />
* New page: [[iPad mini]]<br />
The problem I see with the new page is there are three different models and when we have multiple models for a device, we make the page with that name a disambiguation page. Maybe we could have [[iPad mini]] have a note at the top to a disambiguation page ([[iPad mini (disambiguation)]] or [[iPad mini (first generation)]])? I don't want [[iPad mini 1G]] as we don't list the key pages with the 1G in the title ([[Wildcat 7B500 (iPad)|Wildcat 7B500 ('''iPad''')]]). Any thoughts? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 09:51, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:So let's see what we have right now for all the other categories:<br />
:* [[iPhone]] -> [[m68ap]] for 1st gen, [[n82ap]] for 2nd gen, [[n88ap]] 3rd gen, [[iPhone 4]] with different models [[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]], etc.<br />
:* [[iPod touch]] -> [[n45ap]] for 1st gen, [[n72ap]] for 2nd gen, etc.<br />
:* [[iPad]] -> [[k48ap]] for 1st gen (both Wi-Fi and 3G), [[iPad 2]] for 2nd gen with [[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]], etc.<br />
:* [[Apple TV]] -> [[k66ap]] for 2nd gen<br />
:* [[iPad mini]] -> ? for 1st gen with kap123 etc. for the different models<br />
:So previously we didn't have the problem, because:<br />
:* 1st gen iPhone was only available in one model, [[m68ap]]<br />
:* same for iPod touch, only one model, [[n45ap]]<br />
:* for iPad, both models (Wi-Fi and 3G) had the same model number, later devices have different numbers.<br />
:* for Apple TV, the first iOS version was 2nd gen, so the name without a version number can be used for the device category<br />
:For me it's clear that [[iPad mini]] is for the category of device and must be a separate page. As long as we have only one model, we can add all infos to there and don't create another page between the category and the individual models.<br />
:So the question comes up what to use later when there are more generations, what to use as disambiguation page between the category page [[iPad mini]] and the individual models, something that describes the first generation. We can't use [[iPad mini]], because that's for the category. Why not use [[iPad mini 1]] or [[iPad mini 1G]]? I mean the only problem is that it doesn't match the key pages. So either we start the key pages to include the generation as well, or we simply ignore this difference. I mean why is this a problem if this single page to describe the specifics of the first generation iPad mini has a generation number in the page title? Everybody knows that leaving this 1G away gets you to the device category page [[iPad mini]]. So I don't see a problem here. And as long as there is no 2nd generation, we don't even need such a page. Ok, so I suggest:<br />
:* create [[iPad mini]] for the device category<br />
:* while no 2nd generation exists, put all links onto that same page [[iPad mini]]<br />
:* when 2nd gen iPad mini comes out, create a page [[iPad mini 1]] and [[iPad mini 2]] (or with the "G" if you wish)<br />
:* the key pages can be with our without the "1G", I don't care<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 14:46, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I went ahead and moved the stuff to [[iPad mini]] with a possible link to [[iPad mini 1G]]. I kept the G because everything else has it. I also put a note up on [[iPad]] for the link. The key pages should be determined on how they are with other devices:<br />
::* One model type (like iPad 1G)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini)</code><br />
::* Multiple (all else)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Wi-Fi)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini GSM)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Global)</code><br />
::I don't think we should put the <code>1G</code> on the key pages as we don't use <code>(iPhone 2G)</code>, <code>(iPod touch 1G)</code>, or <code>(iPad 1G)</code>. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Baseband Chip Pages ===<br />
This has been discused before, but why do we use the marketing name for the earliest three baseband chip pages? Because we list the processors under their internal name (not marketing) and the device pages are their internal, not marketing ([[n82ap]] instead of "iPhone 3G"; [[n72ap]] instead of "iPod touch 3G" or "iPod touch (third generation)"). We even have the key pages by code name and build number, not version! Those three pages are the only ones that are listed under their marketing name, not internal. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:24, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key Pages for [[n90ap|iPhone 4 GSM]] ===<br />
Currently, we list the GSM varient's key pages with <code>(iPhone 4)</code> with the Rev A ones at <code>(iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)</code>, but if Apple decides to release another version of the [[n92ap|CDMA varient]], then we would have:<br />
* iPhone 4<br />
* iPhone 4 GSM Rev A<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA Rev A<br />
I think we should move the original GSM ones to <code>iPhone 4 GSM</code> like we do for other pages such as [[Firmware]] ([[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM Rev A|GSM Rev A]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]) and [[Beta Firmware]] ([[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]). This was proposed back about a month after the CDMA version came out, but we left it.<br /><br />
Maybe just four or five pages a day? It will take a few weeks, but it could be done. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:02, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Being the person that initially proposed this change, it sounds good to me (as I said on Twitter). Since there are quite a lot of key pages, it would definitely be best to spread out the change over several days (or weeks). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:01, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:The extension <code>(iPhone 4)</code> was fine when there was only one iPhone 4. But now, with the CDMA, Rev. A, etc. we need the differentiation. So yes, I agree with the change. But I would rather change all pages at once (if everybody agrees to the change itself). Preferably during a quiet time, when there were no other edits for a week or so. And by the way, for the iPhone 5, Apple refers to the two models as A1428 and A1429, not Global and GSM: [http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/] --[[User:Http|http]] 01:33, 2 November 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Server error ===<br />
Is this server playing up? I ask this because it loads very slow and a lot of the time the pages do not show correctly. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 12:16, 7 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Found out that its the CSS not loading. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 15:59, 8 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== IRC Channel ===<br />
I have made an IRC Channel for this website. irc.freenode.net #theiphonewiki . Please add this to the main page too. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] 11:19, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:It was there before, but later removed as no one used it. Check the history of [[Main Page/Welcome]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 14:06, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: I see but if it is on the main page then it may be used. I do not mind running the channel at all. Please consider this. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 14:07, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think you are running it if it is on FreeNode.<br />
:::: I dont think anyone will use it; i was there today just to see who else was, just adam and kirb. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:35, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::::: I am running it as it wasnt registered. Also Haifisch maybe because I only made it today. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 17:37, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::: Thats all you did was register the channel, technically not running it. Saurik runs #iphone cause its on his server. Plus i dont think anyone ''will'' use it. What can they ask there that couldnt here? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:41, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
Well more support like how to use wiki features etc. Also we will see. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 18:20, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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==mediawiki upgraded==<br />
Now version 1.20.2 And switched to PHP 5.4, hopefully it'll be faster. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 00:49, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Thanks --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 00:52, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: We have realish caching now too, there's no reason this site perf should be bad. If it's still slow at all tomorrow, let me know and I'll move to rackspace --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:19, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:Definitely seems faster. The update caused a few CSS problems though - the background image URL needs to be updated to [http://theiphonewiki.com/w/images/1/1a/ScrollView_Texture.png this] and the borders on the top buttons need to be removed. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 04:24, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::I'll be working on the CSS fixes. It should be done by tonight. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:39, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::: Great. Seems much faster now. Thanks [[User:Geohot|geohot]]. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] ([[User talk:Adaminsull|talk]]) 11:40, 22 December 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=28734Main Page2012-12-22T21:34:44Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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{{Heading|Jailbreak/Unlock Status}}<br />
More information, including information for older devices, is available on the [[Firmware]] and [[Jailbreak]] pages.<br />
{| cellspacing="0" class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; width:100%;"<br />
|-<br />
! style="width:12%;" | Device<br />
| style="width:9%;" | [[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]] ([[Bootrom 359.3|old bootrom]])<br />
| style="width:17%;" | [[n88ap|iPhone 3GS]] ([[Bootrom 359.3.2|new bootrom]]),<br />
[[iPhone 4]], [[n81ap|iPod touch 4G]]<br />
| style="width:10%;" | [[K66ap|Apple TV 2G]]<br />
| style="width:10%;" | [[J33ap|Apple TV 3G]]<br />
| [[iPad 2]], [[iPad 3]], and [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]]<br />
| [[iPad 4]], [[iPad mini]], [[iPhone 5]], [[n78ap|iPod touch 5G]]<br />
|-<br />
! Latest Firmware<br />
| 6.0.1<br />(Build 10A523)<br />
| 6.0.1<br />(Build 10A523)<br />
| 5.1.1<br />(Build 10A831)<br />
| 5.1.1<br />(Build 10A831)<br />
| 6.0.1<br />(Build 10A523)<br />
| 6.0.1 (Build 10A523)<br />
(Build 10A525 for iPhone 5)<br /><br />
(Build 10A8426 for cellular iPads)<br />
|-<br />
! Is there a jailbreak available?<br />
| {{yes}}<br />
| {{partial|Yes, tethered}}<br />
| {{partial|Yes, tethered}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
|-<br />
! If the device is carrier-locked, is there a software-based [[unlock]]?<br />
| {{partial|Requires an old baseband, or baseband [[06.15.00]]}}<br />
| {{partial|iPhone 3GS: Requires an old baseband, or baseband [[06.15.00]]<br />
iPhone 4 GSM model: Requires baseband [[01.59.00]]}}<br />
| colspan="2" {{n/a}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
| {{no}}<br />
|}<br />
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{{Heading|Software}}<br />
* [[/|Filesystem]]<br />
* [[Firmware]] and [[Beta Firmware]]<br />
* [[iTunes]] ([[iTunes Errors|Errors]], [[iTunes Modes|Modes]])<br />
* [[Keys]]<br />
** [[AES Keys]]<br />
** [[CERT|Apple Certificate]]<br />
** [[NCK]]<br />
** [[Baseband RSA Keys|RSA Keys]]<br />
** [[Baseband TEA Keys|TEA Keys]]<br />
** [[VFDecrypt Keys]]<br />
* [[Protocols]]<br />
** [[Baseband Bootrom Protocol]]<br />
** [[DFU (Protocol)|DFU]]<br />
** [[Interactive Mode|Baseband Bootloader Protocol]]<br />
** [[Normal Mode]]<br />
** [[Recovery Mode (Protocols)|Recovery Mode]]<br />
** [[Restore Mode]]<br />
* [[System Log|System Log (syslog)]]<br />
<br />
====[[:Category:Jailbreaks|Jailbreak Software]]====<br />
* [[Absinthe]]<br />
* [[blackra1n]]<br />
* [[Corona]]<br />
* [[Greenpois0n (jailbreak)|greenpois0n]]<br />
* [[JailbreakMe]]<br />
* [[limera1n]]<br />
* [[PwnageTool]]<br />
* [[redsn0w]]<br />
* [[sn0wbreeze]]<br />
* [[Spirit]]<br />
<br />
====[[:Category:Patches|Patches]]====<br />
*[[:Category:Kernel Patches|Kernel]]<br />
**[[AMFI Binary Trust Cache Patch]]<br />
**[[PE i can has debugger Patch]]<br />
**[[Sandbox Patch]]<br />
**[[Vm map enter Patch]]<br />
**[[Vm map protect Patch]]<br />
*[[:Category:Ramdisk Patches|Ramdisk]]: [[ASR]]<br />
<br />
====[[:Category:Exploits|Vulnerabilities and Exploits]]====<br />
*[[0x24000 Segment Overflow]] (24kpwn)<br />
*[[BPF STX Kernel Write Exploit]]<br />
*[[HFS Heap Overflow]]<br />
*[[HFS Legacy Volume Name Stack Buffer Overflow]] (feedface)<br />
*[[Incomplete Codesign Exploit]]<br />
*[[IOSurface Kernel Exploit]]<br />
*[[Limera1n Exploit]]<br />
*[[Malformed CFF Vulnerability]]<br />
*[[MobileBackup Copy Exploit]]<br />
*[[ndrv_setspec() Integer Overflow]]<br />
*[[Packet Filter Kernel Exploit]]<br />
*[[Racoon String Format Overflow Exploit]]<br />
*[[SHA-1 Image Segment Overflow]] (SHAtter)<br />
*[[usb_control_msg(0x21, 2) Exploit]]<br />
*[[usb_control_msg(0xA1, 1) Exploit]] (steaks4uce)<br />
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{{HeadingB|Hardware}}<br />
====Devices (see also [[Models]])====<br />
*[[iPhone]]<br />
** [[M68ap|iPhone (m68ap)]]<br />
** [[N82ap|iPhone 3G (n82ap)]]<br />
** [[N88ap|iPhone 3GS (n88ap)]]<br />
** [[iPhone 4]] ([[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]])<br />
** [[n94ap|iPhone 4S (n94ap)]]<br />
** [[iPhone 5]] ([[n41ap]], [[n42ap]])<br />
*[[iPod touch]]<br />
** [[N45ap|iPod touch (n45ap)]]<br />
** [[N72ap|iPod touch 2G (n72ap)]]<br />
** [[N18ap|iPod touch 3G (n18ap)]]<br />
** [[N81ap|iPod touch 4G (n81ap)]]<br />
** [[n78ap|iPod touch 5G (n78ap)]]<br />
*[[iPad]]<br />
** [[K48ap|iPad (k48ap)]]<br />
** [[iPad 2]] ([[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 3]] ([[j1ap]], [[j2ap]], [[j2aap]])<br />
** [[iPad 4]] ([[p101ap]], [[p102ap]], [[p103ap]])<br />
*[[iPad mini]]<br />
** [[iPad mini 1G]] ([[p105ap]], [[p106ap]], [[p107ap]])<br />
*[[Apple TV]]<br />
** [[K66ap|Apple TV 2G (k66ap)]]<br />
** [[J33ap|Apple TV 3G (j33ap)]]<br />
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====Application Processors====<br />
* [[S5L8900]] ([[M68ap|iPhone]], [[N45ap|iPod touch]], [[N82ap|iPhone 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8720]] ([[N72ap|iPod touch 2G]])<br />
* [[S5L8920]] ([[N88ap|iPhone 3GS]])<br />
* [[S5L8922]] ([[N18ap|iPod touch 3G]])<br />
* [[S5L8930]] A4 ([[K48ap|iPad]], [[N90ap|iPhone 4 GSM]], [[n81ap|iPod touch 4G]], [[K66ap|Apple TV 2G]], [[N92ap|iPhone 4 CDMA]])<br />
* [[S5L8940]] A5 ([[iPad 2]], [[N94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[S5L8942]] A5 Rev. A ([[J33ap|Apple TV 3G]], [[K93aap|iPad 2 R2]], [[n78ap|iPod touch 5G]], [[iPad mini 1G]])<br />
* [[S5L8945]] A5X ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[S5L8950]] A6 ([[iPhone 5]])<br />
* [[S5L8955]] A6X ([[iPad 4]])<br />
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====[[Baseband Device|Baseband Devices]]====<br />
* [[S-Gold 2|PMB8876 or S-Gold 2]] ([[M68ap|iPhone]])<br />
* [[X-Gold 608|PMB8878 or X-Gold 608]] ([[N82ap|iPhone 3G]], [[N88ap|iPhone 3GS]], [[K48ap|iPad]])<br />
* [[XMM 6180|XMM6180 or X-Gold 618]] ([[N90ap|iPhone 4 GSM]], [[K94ap|iPad 2 GSM]])<br />
* [[MDM6600]] ([[N92ap|iPhone 4 CDMA]], [[K95ap|iPad 2 CDMA]])<br />
* [[MDM6610]] ([[N94ap|iPhone 4S]])<br />
* [[MDM9x00]] ([[iPad 3]])<br />
* [[MDM9615]] ([[iPhone 5]])<br />
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====Other====<br />
* [[Accelerometer]]<br />
* WLAN/[[Bluetooth]]:<br />
**[[Marvell 88x8686]]<br />
**[[BlueCore 4]]<br />
**[[BlueCore 6]]<br />
**[[BCM4325]]<br />
**[[BCM4329]]<br />
**[[BCM4330]]<br />
**[[BCM4334]]<br />
* [[Compass]]: [[AKM8973]], [[AKM8975]]<br />
* [[Gyroscope]]: [[AGD1 2022 FP6AQ]]<br />
* Connectors: [[30-pin Connector|30-pin]], [[Lightning Connector|Lightning]]<br />
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{{col-2}}<br />
{{Heading|Development}}<br />
<br />
====[[:Category:Hackers|iPhone Hackers]]====<br />
* [[User:comex|comex]]<br />
* [[User:geohot|geohot]]<br />
* [[User:MuscleNerd|MuscleNerd]]<br />
* [[User:planetbeing|planetbeing]]<br />
* [[User:posixninja|posixninja]]<br />
* [[User:pod2g|pod2g]]<br />
<br />
====iPhone Hacker Teams====<br />
* [[Chronic Dev (team)|Chronic Dev]]<br />
* [[iPhone Dev Team]]<br />
<br />
====Application Development====<br />
* [[Apple Certification Process]]<br />
* [[Bypassing iPhone Code Signatures]]<br />
* [[Distribution Methods]]<br />
* [[/System/Library/Frameworks|Frameworks]]<br />
* [[MobileDevice Library]]<br />
* [[Toolchain]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
* [[Toolchain 2.0]] (Includes tutorials)<br />
<br />
====Application Copy Protection====<br />
* [[Application Structure and Signatures]]<br />
* [[Bugging Debuggers]]<br />
* [[Copy Protection Overview]]<br />
* [[Defeating Cracks]]<br />
* [[Mach-O Loading Process]]<br />
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{{HeadingB|Help}}<br />
<br />
====Guides====<br />
* [[Tutorials]]<br />
* [[Useful Links]]<br />
<br />
====Definitions====<br />
* [[Activation]]<br />
* [[ASLR]]<br />
* [[Baseband Device|Baseband]]<br />
* [[Baseband Bootloader|Bootloader]]<br />
* [[Bootchain]]<br />
* [[Bootrom]] / [[VROM]]<br />
* [[CHIPID]]<br />
* [[CPID]]<br />
* [[DFU Mode]]<br />
* [[ECID]]<br />
* [[iBEC]]<br />
* [[iBoot (Bootloader)|iBoot]]<br />
* [[iBSS]]<br />
* [[Jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Tethered jailbreak]]<br />
** [[Untethered jailbreak]]<br />
* [[Kernel]]<br />
* [[launchd]]<br />
* [[LLB]]<br />
* [[NAND]]<br />
* [[NOR]]<br />
* [[NORID]]<br />
* [[SHSH]]<br />
* [[Unlock]]<br />
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|colspan="4" style="border-width:0; text-align:center;"| [[Disclaimer]]<br />
|}<br />
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__NOTOC____NOEDITSECTION__</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28728The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-12-22T11:19:50Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== More Esser Info ===<br />
i0nic's slides from his CanSecWest [http://antid0te.com/CSW2012_StefanEsser_iOS5_An_Exploitation_Nightmare_FINAL.pdf presentation have been released]. Where should we link to them from? --[[User:Beej|beej]] 17:38, 17 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPhone-Elite ===<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Theme ===<br />
Several people are compaining about the theming/style change [http://twitter.com/#!/DarkMalloc/status/174555059777052672 1] [http://twitter.com/#!/Gojohnnyboi/status/178253989232648192 2]. I wasn't involved in this change (except the new image), but I think there was no discussion about changing the default style. Can't we switch the default style back to how it was and for those that like a fancy new theme can still have the new one? -- [[User:Http|http]] 16:37, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
:The way to add new themes would be to have access to the server. Thats why we did this. What we can do is get geohot to copy Vector.php, Vector.deps.php, and Vector/ to iPhone.php, iPhone.deps.php, and iPhone/ and modify some variables. I can do that. Then just move [[Mediawiki:Vector.css]] to [[Mediawiki:iPhone.css]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 17:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
::Second this. In fact, seeing as it'll have the same base html/css/js as vector, geohot can copy Vector.deps.php&rarr;iPhone.deps.php, [http://pastie.org/3583443 save this to iPhone.php], put <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt> in LocalSettings.php and then [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=special:movepage&wpOldTitle=mediawiki:vector.css&wpNewTitle=mediawiki:iPhone.css&wpReason=moving+iphone+style+to+separate+skin&wpMovetalk=1 move the css] [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As I've tweeted about since last night, I decided to give the current iOS-like theme a bit of a makeover. [http://img.ly/fa7T Here's] how it looks in Chromium. The theme also works in Firefox for Windows, except the left navigation tabs aren't shifted closer to the center. I haven't gotten around to testing it in other browsers just yet, unfortunately. Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 18:32, 12 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
::Looks great, though as I mentioned on twitter, the heading should be put somewhere in the title bar area so it looks more realistic. Maybe something similar to the "other network" window under Wi-Fi settings. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::That'd be nice, but I don't want the page heading to overlap the tabs. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:46, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
I added my modifications to the theme. It works as desired in all (desktop) browsers except IE… I'll make an attempt at improving the theme in IE 7/+. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:05, 8 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Looking great :) I tested in IE8 and 9, doesn't look too bad, barring the unselected tabs due to the solid background; you can use the longer <tt>filter</tt>/<tt>-ms-filter</tt> syntax [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms532997(v=vs.85).aspx like so] for IE gradients [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 09:06, 15 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
I created more modifications that I'd like feedback on before the possibly get implemented. Both of these are meant to further help emulate the iOS look. I was thinking of giving the sidebar and header bar fixed positioning, so they stick around regardless of where you scroll. ([http://img.ly/nded Screenshot]) I also created some CSS that makes some headers (particularly those on the [[Main Page]] and [[Special:SpecialPages|Special pages]] page) look like iOS… sections? (I don't recall the correct term for it.) [http://img.ly/ndee Here's] a screenshot since I suck at describing what I'm trying to say. :P Thoughts on these changes? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:39, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:They're section headers :) and they look great, but maybe some negative margins (like <code>margin: 0 -8px</code>) could be used to make them extend to the edge of the page area and look more iOS-y. The top bar could go well with some fixed positioning, but I don't think the sidebar should. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:51, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I didn't really want the sidebar to be fixed either. However, the title bar actually stretches across the complete width of the page, and scrolling down on long pages can reveal that.[http://img.ly/nk8O] Currently, that section of the title bar is hidden by applying the linen background to the logo, hence why I currently have the sidebar fixed. Any ideas on how deal with the title bar? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:04, 14 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::One small issue I noticed with making the title bar fixed is that, when you click on an anchor link, the title bar will cover up the header for the section you're looking at (and some content as well). You can always scroll a little up to see what was being blocked though. To combat this problem, I entertained the idea of making just the area where page content is displayed the part that scrolls.[http://img.ly/nqrY] I don't think that a lot of people (especially those with small screens) would like this change, so I'm expecting heavy criticism. I plan on using the previously-mentioned method for the fixed title bar instead of this newer method, unless everybody actually prefers the newer method. :P (Note that the scrolling area is not for the whole page, just the content area.) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:13, 16 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== [[Firmware]] page ===<br />
I know I just created the iPad mini and iPad (4th generation) entries on the [[Firmware]] page, but I was thinking… Instead of keeping the firmware tables unique to each model, could we keep the firmware tables divided by ''generation'' instead? (i.e. Instead of editing three pages for the iPad mini to add a new firmware, there would be just one page that holds the three firmware tables.) It'd certainly help keep the amount of changes made with each new firmware to a minimum. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:50, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:That would certainly reduce the amount of edits. They were separated as the source was getting ridiculously long. I'm for it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:00, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As long as no information gets lost, feel free to change it. But I wonder how you want to put all this into a horizontal design. I think it won't fit or you'd have to remove infos. Can you explain further? --[[User:Http|http]] 00:31, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I think you might be misunderstanding a bit; I'm planning on, as one example, copying all of the iPad 2 firmware tables into one embedded page, instead of having four different pages that require editing. Everything's still going to look the same. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:21, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::Yes, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to regroup the lists by iOS version. Yes, just grouping more devices together seems like a simple change and seems to be useful. --[[User:Http|http]] 04:06, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Maybe we could do it like [[Beta Firmware]] where all current devices are on the page while deprecated devices are separated off. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 18:45, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPad mini ===<br />
Me and Alex were chatting on Twitter and the topic of what to do with the iPad mini and two solutions came up:<br />
* New section on [[iPad]]<br />
* New page: [[iPad mini]]<br />
The problem I see with the new page is there are three different models and when we have multiple models for a device, we make the page with that name a disambiguation page. Maybe we could have [[iPad mini]] have a note at the top to a disambiguation page ([[iPad mini (disambiguation)]] or [[iPad mini (first generation)]])? I don't want [[iPad mini 1G]] as we don't list the key pages with the 1G in the title ([[Wildcat 7B500 (iPad)|Wildcat 7B500 ('''iPad''')]]). Any thoughts? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 09:51, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:So let's see what we have right now for all the other categories:<br />
:* [[iPhone]] -> [[m68ap]] for 1st gen, [[n82ap]] for 2nd gen, [[n88ap]] 3rd gen, [[iPhone 4]] with different models [[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]], etc.<br />
:* [[iPod touch]] -> [[n45ap]] for 1st gen, [[n72ap]] for 2nd gen, etc.<br />
:* [[iPad]] -> [[k48ap]] for 1st gen (both Wi-Fi and 3G), [[iPad 2]] for 2nd gen with [[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]], etc.<br />
:* [[Apple TV]] -> [[k66ap]] for 2nd gen<br />
:* [[iPad mini]] -> ? for 1st gen with kap123 etc. for the different models<br />
:So previously we didn't have the problem, because:<br />
:* 1st gen iPhone was only available in one model, [[m68ap]]<br />
:* same for iPod touch, only one model, [[n45ap]]<br />
:* for iPad, both models (Wi-Fi and 3G) had the same model number, later devices have different numbers.<br />
:* for Apple TV, the first iOS version was 2nd gen, so the name without a version number can be used for the device category<br />
:For me it's clear that [[iPad mini]] is for the category of device and must be a separate page. As long as we have only one model, we can add all infos to there and don't create another page between the category and the individual models.<br />
:So the question comes up what to use later when there are more generations, what to use as disambiguation page between the category page [[iPad mini]] and the individual models, something that describes the first generation. We can't use [[iPad mini]], because that's for the category. Why not use [[iPad mini 1]] or [[iPad mini 1G]]? I mean the only problem is that it doesn't match the key pages. So either we start the key pages to include the generation as well, or we simply ignore this difference. I mean why is this a problem if this single page to describe the specifics of the first generation iPad mini has a generation number in the page title? Everybody knows that leaving this 1G away gets you to the device category page [[iPad mini]]. So I don't see a problem here. And as long as there is no 2nd generation, we don't even need such a page. Ok, so I suggest:<br />
:* create [[iPad mini]] for the device category<br />
:* while no 2nd generation exists, put all links onto that same page [[iPad mini]]<br />
:* when 2nd gen iPad mini comes out, create a page [[iPad mini 1]] and [[iPad mini 2]] (or with the "G" if you wish)<br />
:* the key pages can be with our without the "1G", I don't care<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 14:46, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I went ahead and moved the stuff to [[iPad mini]] with a possible link to [[iPad mini 1G]]. I kept the G because everything else has it. I also put a note up on [[iPad]] for the link. The key pages should be determined on how they are with other devices:<br />
::* One model type (like iPad 1G)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini)</code><br />
::* Multiple (all else)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Wi-Fi)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini GSM)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Global)</code><br />
::I don't think we should put the <code>1G</code> on the key pages as we don't use <code>(iPhone 2G)</code>, <code>(iPod touch 1G)</code>, or <code>(iPad 1G)</code>. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Baseband Chip Pages ===<br />
This has been discused before, but why do we use the marketing name for the earliest three baseband chip pages? Because we list the processors under their internal name (not marketing) and the device pages are their internal, not marketing ([[n82ap]] instead of "iPhone 3G"; [[n72ap]] instead of "iPod touch 3G" or "iPod touch (third generation)"). We even have the key pages by code name and build number, not version! Those three pages are the only ones that are listed under their marketing name, not internal. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:24, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key Pages for [[n90ap|iPhone 4 GSM]] ===<br />
Currently, we list the GSM varient's key pages with <code>(iPhone 4)</code> with the Rev A ones at <code>(iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)</code>, but if Apple decides to release another version of the [[n92ap|CDMA varient]], then we would have:<br />
* iPhone 4<br />
* iPhone 4 GSM Rev A<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA Rev A<br />
I think we should move the original GSM ones to <code>iPhone 4 GSM</code> like we do for other pages such as [[Firmware]] ([[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM Rev A|GSM Rev A]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]) and [[Beta Firmware]] ([[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]). This was proposed back about a month after the CDMA version came out, but we left it.<br /><br />
Maybe just four or five pages a day? It will take a few weeks, but it could be done. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:02, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Being the person that initially proposed this change, it sounds good to me (as I said on Twitter). Since there are quite a lot of key pages, it would definitely be best to spread out the change over several days (or weeks). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:01, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:The extension <code>(iPhone 4)</code> was fine when there was only one iPhone 4. But now, with the CDMA, Rev. A, etc. we need the differentiation. So yes, I agree with the change. But I would rather change all pages at once (if everybody agrees to the change itself). Preferably during a quiet time, when there were no other edits for a week or so. And by the way, for the iPhone 5, Apple refers to the two models as A1428 and A1429, not Global and GSM: [http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/] --[[User:Http|http]] 01:33, 2 November 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Server error ===<br />
Is this server playing up? I ask this because it loads very slow and a lot of the time the pages do not show correctly. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 12:16, 7 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Found out that its the CSS not loading. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 15:59, 8 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== IRC Channel ===<br />
I have made an IRC Channel for this website. irc.freenode.net #theiphonewiki . Please add this to the main page too. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] 11:19, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:It was there before, but later removed as no one used it. Check the history of [[Main Page/Welcome]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 14:06, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: I see but if it is on the main page then it may be used. I do not mind running the channel at all. Please consider this. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 14:07, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think you are running it if it is on FreeNode.<br />
:::: I dont think anyone will use it; i was there today just to see who else was, just adam and kirb. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:35, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::::: I am running it as it wasnt registered. Also Haifisch maybe because I only made it today. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 17:37, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::: Thats all you did was register the channel, technically not running it. Saurik runs #iphone cause its on his server. Plus i dont think anyone ''will'' use it. What can they ask there that couldnt here? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:41, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
Well more support like how to use wiki features etc. Also we will see. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 18:20, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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==mediawiki upgraded==<br />
Now version 1.20.2 And switched to PHP 5.4, hopefully it'll be faster. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 00:49, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Thanks --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] ([[User talk:Haifisch|talk]]) 00:52, 22 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: We have realish caching now too, there's no reason this site perf should be bad. If it's still slow at all tomorrow, let me know and I'll move to rackspace --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 04:19, 22 December 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28726The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-12-22T07:49:13Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== More Esser Info ===<br />
i0nic's slides from his CanSecWest [http://antid0te.com/CSW2012_StefanEsser_iOS5_An_Exploitation_Nightmare_FINAL.pdf presentation have been released]. Where should we link to them from? --[[User:Beej|beej]] 17:38, 17 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPhone-Elite ===<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Theme ===<br />
Several people are compaining about the theming/style change [http://twitter.com/#!/DarkMalloc/status/174555059777052672 1] [http://twitter.com/#!/Gojohnnyboi/status/178253989232648192 2]. I wasn't involved in this change (except the new image), but I think there was no discussion about changing the default style. Can't we switch the default style back to how it was and for those that like a fancy new theme can still have the new one? -- [[User:Http|http]] 16:37, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
:The way to add new themes would be to have access to the server. Thats why we did this. What we can do is get geohot to copy Vector.php, Vector.deps.php, and Vector/ to iPhone.php, iPhone.deps.php, and iPhone/ and modify some variables. I can do that. Then just move [[Mediawiki:Vector.css]] to [[Mediawiki:iPhone.css]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 17:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
::Second this. In fact, seeing as it'll have the same base html/css/js as vector, geohot can copy Vector.deps.php&rarr;iPhone.deps.php, [http://pastie.org/3583443 save this to iPhone.php], put <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt> in LocalSettings.php and then [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=special:movepage&wpOldTitle=mediawiki:vector.css&wpNewTitle=mediawiki:iPhone.css&wpReason=moving+iphone+style+to+separate+skin&wpMovetalk=1 move the css] [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As I've tweeted about since last night, I decided to give the current iOS-like theme a bit of a makeover. [http://img.ly/fa7T Here's] how it looks in Chromium. The theme also works in Firefox for Windows, except the left navigation tabs aren't shifted closer to the center. I haven't gotten around to testing it in other browsers just yet, unfortunately. Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 18:32, 12 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
::Looks great, though as I mentioned on twitter, the heading should be put somewhere in the title bar area so it looks more realistic. Maybe something similar to the "other network" window under Wi-Fi settings. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::That'd be nice, but I don't want the page heading to overlap the tabs. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:46, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
I added my modifications to the theme. It works as desired in all (desktop) browsers except IE… I'll make an attempt at improving the theme in IE 7/+. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:05, 8 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Looking great :) I tested in IE8 and 9, doesn't look too bad, barring the unselected tabs due to the solid background; you can use the longer <tt>filter</tt>/<tt>-ms-filter</tt> syntax [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms532997(v=vs.85).aspx like so] for IE gradients [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 09:06, 15 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
I created more modifications that I'd like feedback on before the possibly get implemented. Both of these are meant to further help emulate the iOS look. I was thinking of giving the sidebar and header bar fixed positioning, so they stick around regardless of where you scroll. ([http://img.ly/nded Screenshot]) I also created some CSS that makes some headers (particularly those on the [[Main Page]] and [[Special:SpecialPages|Special pages]] page) look like iOS… sections? (I don't recall the correct term for it.) [http://img.ly/ndee Here's] a screenshot since I suck at describing what I'm trying to say. :P Thoughts on these changes? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:39, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:They're section headers :) and they look great, but maybe some negative margins (like <code>margin: 0 -8px</code>) could be used to make them extend to the edge of the page area and look more iOS-y. The top bar could go well with some fixed positioning, but I don't think the sidebar should. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:51, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I didn't really want the sidebar to be fixed either. However, the title bar actually stretches across the complete width of the page, and scrolling down on long pages can reveal that.[http://img.ly/nk8O] Currently, that section of the title bar is hidden by applying the linen background to the logo, hence why I currently have the sidebar fixed. Any ideas on how deal with the title bar? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:04, 14 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::One small issue I noticed with making the title bar fixed is that, when you click on an anchor link, the title bar will cover up the header for the section you're looking at (and some content as well). You can always scroll a little up to see what was being blocked though. To combat this problem, I entertained the idea of making just the area where page content is displayed the part that scrolls.[http://img.ly/nqrY] I don't think that a lot of people (especially those with small screens) would like this change, so I'm expecting heavy criticism. I plan on using the previously-mentioned method for the fixed title bar instead of this newer method, unless everybody actually prefers the newer method. :P (Note that the scrolling area is not for the whole page, just the content area.) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:13, 16 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== [[Firmware]] page ===<br />
I know I just created the iPad mini and iPad (4th generation) entries on the [[Firmware]] page, but I was thinking… Instead of keeping the firmware tables unique to each model, could we keep the firmware tables divided by ''generation'' instead? (i.e. Instead of editing three pages for the iPad mini to add a new firmware, there would be just one page that holds the three firmware tables.) It'd certainly help keep the amount of changes made with each new firmware to a minimum. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:50, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:That would certainly reduce the amount of edits. They were separated as the source was getting ridiculously long. I'm for it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:00, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As long as no information gets lost, feel free to change it. But I wonder how you want to put all this into a horizontal design. I think it won't fit or you'd have to remove infos. Can you explain further? --[[User:Http|http]] 00:31, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I think you might be misunderstanding a bit; I'm planning on, as one example, copying all of the iPad 2 firmware tables into one embedded page, instead of having four different pages that require editing. Everything's still going to look the same. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:21, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::Yes, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to regroup the lists by iOS version. Yes, just grouping more devices together seems like a simple change and seems to be useful. --[[User:Http|http]] 04:06, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Maybe we could do it like [[Beta Firmware]] where all current devices are on the page while deprecated devices are separated off. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 18:45, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPad mini ===<br />
Me and Alex were chatting on Twitter and the topic of what to do with the iPad mini and two solutions came up:<br />
* New section on [[iPad]]<br />
* New page: [[iPad mini]]<br />
The problem I see with the new page is there are three different models and when we have multiple models for a device, we make the page with that name a disambiguation page. Maybe we could have [[iPad mini]] have a note at the top to a disambiguation page ([[iPad mini (disambiguation)]] or [[iPad mini (first generation)]])? I don't want [[iPad mini 1G]] as we don't list the key pages with the 1G in the title ([[Wildcat 7B500 (iPad)|Wildcat 7B500 ('''iPad''')]]). Any thoughts? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 09:51, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:So let's see what we have right now for all the other categories:<br />
:* [[iPhone]] -> [[m68ap]] for 1st gen, [[n82ap]] for 2nd gen, [[n88ap]] 3rd gen, [[iPhone 4]] with different models [[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]], etc.<br />
:* [[iPod touch]] -> [[n45ap]] for 1st gen, [[n72ap]] for 2nd gen, etc.<br />
:* [[iPad]] -> [[k48ap]] for 1st gen (both Wi-Fi and 3G), [[iPad 2]] for 2nd gen with [[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]], etc.<br />
:* [[Apple TV]] -> [[k66ap]] for 2nd gen<br />
:* [[iPad mini]] -> ? for 1st gen with kap123 etc. for the different models<br />
:So previously we didn't have the problem, because:<br />
:* 1st gen iPhone was only available in one model, [[m68ap]]<br />
:* same for iPod touch, only one model, [[n45ap]]<br />
:* for iPad, both models (Wi-Fi and 3G) had the same model number, later devices have different numbers.<br />
:* for Apple TV, the first iOS version was 2nd gen, so the name without a version number can be used for the device category<br />
:For me it's clear that [[iPad mini]] is for the category of device and must be a separate page. As long as we have only one model, we can add all infos to there and don't create another page between the category and the individual models.<br />
:So the question comes up what to use later when there are more generations, what to use as disambiguation page between the category page [[iPad mini]] and the individual models, something that describes the first generation. We can't use [[iPad mini]], because that's for the category. Why not use [[iPad mini 1]] or [[iPad mini 1G]]? I mean the only problem is that it doesn't match the key pages. So either we start the key pages to include the generation as well, or we simply ignore this difference. I mean why is this a problem if this single page to describe the specifics of the first generation iPad mini has a generation number in the page title? Everybody knows that leaving this 1G away gets you to the device category page [[iPad mini]]. So I don't see a problem here. And as long as there is no 2nd generation, we don't even need such a page. Ok, so I suggest:<br />
:* create [[iPad mini]] for the device category<br />
:* while no 2nd generation exists, put all links onto that same page [[iPad mini]]<br />
:* when 2nd gen iPad mini comes out, create a page [[iPad mini 1]] and [[iPad mini 2]] (or with the "G" if you wish)<br />
:* the key pages can be with our without the "1G", I don't care<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 14:46, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I went ahead and moved the stuff to [[iPad mini]] with a possible link to [[iPad mini 1G]]. I kept the G because everything else has it. I also put a note up on [[iPad]] for the link. The key pages should be determined on how they are with other devices:<br />
::* One model type (like iPad 1G)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini)</code><br />
::* Multiple (all else)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Wi-Fi)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini GSM)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Global)</code><br />
::I don't think we should put the <code>1G</code> on the key pages as we don't use <code>(iPhone 2G)</code>, <code>(iPod touch 1G)</code>, or <code>(iPad 1G)</code>. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Baseband Chip Pages ===<br />
This has been discused before, but why do we use the marketing name for the earliest three baseband chip pages? Because we list the processors under their internal name (not marketing) and the device pages are their internal, not marketing ([[n82ap]] instead of "iPhone 3G"; [[n72ap]] instead of "iPod touch 3G" or "iPod touch (third generation)"). We even have the key pages by code name and build number, not version! Those three pages are the only ones that are listed under their marketing name, not internal. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:24, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key Pages for [[n90ap|iPhone 4 GSM]] ===<br />
Currently, we list the GSM varient's key pages with <code>(iPhone 4)</code> with the Rev A ones at <code>(iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)</code>, but if Apple decides to release another version of the [[n92ap|CDMA varient]], then we would have:<br />
* iPhone 4<br />
* iPhone 4 GSM Rev A<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA Rev A<br />
I think we should move the original GSM ones to <code>iPhone 4 GSM</code> like we do for other pages such as [[Firmware]] ([[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM Rev A|GSM Rev A]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]) and [[Beta Firmware]] ([[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]). This was proposed back about a month after the CDMA version came out, but we left it.<br /><br />
Maybe just four or five pages a day? It will take a few weeks, but it could be done. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:02, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Being the person that initially proposed this change, it sounds good to me (as I said on Twitter). Since there are quite a lot of key pages, it would definitely be best to spread out the change over several days (or weeks). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:01, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:The extension <code>(iPhone 4)</code> was fine when there was only one iPhone 4. But now, with the CDMA, Rev. A, etc. we need the differentiation. So yes, I agree with the change. But I would rather change all pages at once (if everybody agrees to the change itself). Preferably during a quiet time, when there were no other edits for a week or so. And by the way, for the iPhone 5, Apple refers to the two models as A1428 and A1429, not Global and GSM: [http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/] --[[User:Http|http]] 01:33, 2 November 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Server error ===<br />
Is this server playing up? I ask this because it loads very slow and a lot of the time the pages do not show correctly. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 12:16, 7 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Found out that its the CSS not loading. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 15:59, 8 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== IRC Channel ===<br />
I have made an IRC Channel for this website. irc.freenode.net #theiphonewiki . Please add this to the main page too. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] 11:19, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:It was there before, but later removed as no one used it. Check the history of [[Main Page/Welcome]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 14:06, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: I see but if it is on the main page then it may be used. I do not mind running the channel at all. Please consider this. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 14:07, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think you are running it if it is on FreeNode.<br />
:::: I dont think anyone will use it; i was there today just to see who else was, just adam and kirb. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:35, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::::: I am running it as it wasnt registered. Also Haifisch maybe because I only made it today. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 17:37, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::: Thats all you did was register the channel, technically not running it. Saurik runs #iphone cause its on his server. Plus i dont think anyone ''will'' use it. What can they ask there that couldnt here? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:41, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
Well more support like how to use wiki features etc. Also we will see. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 18:20, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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==mediawiki upgraded==<br />
Now version 1.20.2 And switched to PHP 5.4, hopefully it'll be faster. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] ([[User talk:Geohot|talk]]) 00:49, 22 December 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=28725The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-12-22T07:49:01Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== More Esser Info ===<br />
i0nic's slides from his CanSecWest [http://antid0te.com/CSW2012_StefanEsser_iOS5_An_Exploitation_Nightmare_FINAL.pdf presentation have been released]. Where should we link to them from? --[[User:Beej|beej]] 17:38, 17 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPhone-Elite ===<br />
I think we should include all this old stuff before it gets lost: [http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/ code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/]. I mean the wiki articles there. Most infos should be already here, but I'm sure a lot of things are missing too.<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 15:02, 26 June 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Theme ===<br />
Several people are compaining about the theming/style change [http://twitter.com/#!/DarkMalloc/status/174555059777052672 1] [http://twitter.com/#!/Gojohnnyboi/status/178253989232648192 2]. I wasn't involved in this change (except the new image), but I think there was no discussion about changing the default style. Can't we switch the default style back to how it was and for those that like a fancy new theme can still have the new one? -- [[User:Http|http]] 16:37, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
:The way to add new themes would be to have access to the server. Thats why we did this. What we can do is get geohot to copy Vector.php, Vector.deps.php, and Vector/ to iPhone.php, iPhone.deps.php, and iPhone/ and modify some variables. I can do that. Then just move [[Mediawiki:Vector.css]] to [[Mediawiki:iPhone.css]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 17:05, 9 March 2012 (MST)<br />
::Second this. In fact, seeing as it'll have the same base html/css/js as vector, geohot can copy Vector.deps.php&rarr;iPhone.deps.php, [http://pastie.org/3583443 save this to iPhone.php], put <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt> in LocalSettings.php and then [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=special:movepage&wpOldTitle=mediawiki:vector.css&wpNewTitle=mediawiki:iPhone.css&wpReason=moving+iphone+style+to+separate+skin&wpMovetalk=1 move the css] [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As I've tweeted about since last night, I decided to give the current iOS-like theme a bit of a makeover. [http://img.ly/fa7T Here's] how it looks in Chromium. The theme also works in Firefox for Windows, except the left navigation tabs aren't shifted closer to the center. I haven't gotten around to testing it in other browsers just yet, unfortunately. Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 18:32, 12 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
::Looks great, though as I mentioned on twitter, the heading should be put somewhere in the title bar area so it looks more realistic. Maybe something similar to the "other network" window under Wi-Fi settings. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:01, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::That'd be nice, but I don't want the page heading to overlap the tabs. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:46, 13 March 2012 (MDT)<br />
I added my modifications to the theme. It works as desired in all (desktop) browsers except IE… I'll make an attempt at improving the theme in IE 7/+. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:05, 8 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Looking great :) I tested in IE8 and 9, doesn't look too bad, barring the unselected tabs due to the solid background; you can use the longer <tt>filter</tt>/<tt>-ms-filter</tt> syntax [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms532997(v=vs.85).aspx like so] for IE gradients [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 09:06, 15 April 2012 (MDT)<br />
I created more modifications that I'd like feedback on before the possibly get implemented. Both of these are meant to further help emulate the iOS look. I was thinking of giving the sidebar and header bar fixed positioning, so they stick around regardless of where you scroll. ([http://img.ly/nded Screenshot]) I also created some CSS that makes some headers (particularly those on the [[Main Page]] and [[Special:SpecialPages|Special pages]] page) look like iOS… sections? (I don't recall the correct term for it.) [http://img.ly/ndee Here's] a screenshot since I suck at describing what I'm trying to say. :P Thoughts on these changes? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:39, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:They're section headers :) and they look great, but maybe some negative margins (like <code>margin: 0 -8px</code>) could be used to make them extend to the edge of the page area and look more iOS-y. The top bar could go well with some fixed positioning, but I don't think the sidebar should. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:51, 11 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I didn't really want the sidebar to be fixed either. However, the title bar actually stretches across the complete width of the page, and scrolling down on long pages can reveal that.[http://img.ly/nk8O] Currently, that section of the title bar is hidden by applying the linen background to the logo, hence why I currently have the sidebar fixed. Any ideas on how deal with the title bar? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 13:04, 14 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::One small issue I noticed with making the title bar fixed is that, when you click on an anchor link, the title bar will cover up the header for the section you're looking at (and some content as well). You can always scroll a little up to see what was being blocked though. To combat this problem, I entertained the idea of making just the area where page content is displayed the part that scrolls.[http://img.ly/nqrY] I don't think that a lot of people (especially those with small screens) would like this change, so I'm expecting heavy criticism. I plan on using the previously-mentioned method for the fixed title bar instead of this newer method, unless everybody actually prefers the newer method. :P (Note that the scrolling area is not for the whole page, just the content area.) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:13, 16 September 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== [[Firmware]] page ===<br />
I know I just created the iPad mini and iPad (4th generation) entries on the [[Firmware]] page, but I was thinking… Instead of keeping the firmware tables unique to each model, could we keep the firmware tables divided by ''generation'' instead? (i.e. Instead of editing three pages for the iPad mini to add a new firmware, there would be just one page that holds the three firmware tables.) It'd certainly help keep the amount of changes made with each new firmware to a minimum. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:50, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:That would certainly reduce the amount of edits. They were separated as the source was getting ridiculously long. I'm for it. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:00, 30 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:As long as no information gets lost, feel free to change it. But I wonder how you want to put all this into a horizontal design. I think it won't fit or you'd have to remove infos. Can you explain further? --[[User:Http|http]] 00:31, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I think you might be misunderstanding a bit; I'm planning on, as one example, copying all of the iPad 2 firmware tables into one embedded page, instead of having four different pages that require editing. Everything's still going to look the same. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:21, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:::Yes, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted to regroup the lists by iOS version. Yes, just grouping more devices together seems like a simple change and seems to be useful. --[[User:Http|http]] 04:06, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Maybe we could do it like [[Beta Firmware]] where all current devices are on the page while deprecated devices are separated off. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 18:45, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== iPad mini ===<br />
Me and Alex were chatting on Twitter and the topic of what to do with the iPad mini and two solutions came up:<br />
* New section on [[iPad]]<br />
* New page: [[iPad mini]]<br />
The problem I see with the new page is there are three different models and when we have multiple models for a device, we make the page with that name a disambiguation page. Maybe we could have [[iPad mini]] have a note at the top to a disambiguation page ([[iPad mini (disambiguation)]] or [[iPad mini (first generation)]])? I don't want [[iPad mini 1G]] as we don't list the key pages with the 1G in the title ([[Wildcat 7B500 (iPad)|Wildcat 7B500 ('''iPad''')]]). Any thoughts? --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 09:51, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:So let's see what we have right now for all the other categories:<br />
:* [[iPhone]] -> [[m68ap]] for 1st gen, [[n82ap]] for 2nd gen, [[n88ap]] 3rd gen, [[iPhone 4]] with different models [[n90ap]], [[n90bap]], [[n92ap]], etc.<br />
:* [[iPod touch]] -> [[n45ap]] for 1st gen, [[n72ap]] for 2nd gen, etc.<br />
:* [[iPad]] -> [[k48ap]] for 1st gen (both Wi-Fi and 3G), [[iPad 2]] for 2nd gen with [[k93ap]], [[k94ap]], [[k95ap]], [[k93aap]], etc.<br />
:* [[Apple TV]] -> [[k66ap]] for 2nd gen<br />
:* [[iPad mini]] -> ? for 1st gen with kap123 etc. for the different models<br />
:So previously we didn't have the problem, because:<br />
:* 1st gen iPhone was only available in one model, [[m68ap]]<br />
:* same for iPod touch, only one model, [[n45ap]]<br />
:* for iPad, both models (Wi-Fi and 3G) had the same model number, later devices have different numbers.<br />
:* for Apple TV, the first iOS version was 2nd gen, so the name without a version number can be used for the device category<br />
:For me it's clear that [[iPad mini]] is for the category of device and must be a separate page. As long as we have only one model, we can add all infos to there and don't create another page between the category and the individual models.<br />
:So the question comes up what to use later when there are more generations, what to use as disambiguation page between the category page [[iPad mini]] and the individual models, something that describes the first generation. We can't use [[iPad mini]], because that's for the category. Why not use [[iPad mini 1]] or [[iPad mini 1G]]? I mean the only problem is that it doesn't match the key pages. So either we start the key pages to include the generation as well, or we simply ignore this difference. I mean why is this a problem if this single page to describe the specifics of the first generation iPad mini has a generation number in the page title? Everybody knows that leaving this 1G away gets you to the device category page [[iPad mini]]. So I don't see a problem here. And as long as there is no 2nd generation, we don't even need such a page. Ok, so I suggest:<br />
:* create [[iPad mini]] for the device category<br />
:* while no 2nd generation exists, put all links onto that same page [[iPad mini]]<br />
:* when 2nd gen iPad mini comes out, create a page [[iPad mini 1]] and [[iPad mini 2]] (or with the "G" if you wish)<br />
:* the key pages can be with our without the "1G", I don't care<br />
--[[User:Http|http]] 14:46, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
::I went ahead and moved the stuff to [[iPad mini]] with a possible link to [[iPad mini 1G]]. I kept the G because everything else has it. I also put a note up on [[iPad]] for the link. The key pages should be determined on how they are with other devices:<br />
::* One model type (like iPad 1G)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini)</code><br />
::* Multiple (all else)<br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Wi-Fi)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini GSM)</code><br />
::** <code>(iPad mini Global)</code><br />
::I don't think we should put the <code>1G</code> on the key pages as we don't use <code>(iPhone 2G)</code>, <code>(iPod touch 1G)</code>, or <code>(iPad 1G)</code>. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 21:38, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Baseband Chip Pages ===<br />
This has been discused before, but why do we use the marketing name for the earliest three baseband chip pages? Because we list the processors under their internal name (not marketing) and the device pages are their internal, not marketing ([[n82ap]] instead of "iPhone 3G"; [[n72ap]] instead of "iPod touch 3G" or "iPod touch (third generation)"). We even have the key pages by code name and build number, not version! Those three pages are the only ones that are listed under their marketing name, not internal. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 10:24, 25 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key Pages for [[n90ap|iPhone 4 GSM]] ===<br />
Currently, we list the GSM varient's key pages with <code>(iPhone 4)</code> with the Rev A ones at <code>(iPhone 4 GSM Rev A)</code>, but if Apple decides to release another version of the [[n92ap|CDMA varient]], then we would have:<br />
* iPhone 4<br />
* iPhone 4 GSM Rev A<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA<br />
* iPhone 4 CDMA Rev A<br />
I think we should move the original GSM ones to <code>iPhone 4 GSM</code> like we do for other pages such as [[Firmware]] ([[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM Rev A|GSM Rev A]]/[[Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]) and [[Beta Firmware]] ([[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 GSM|GSM]]/[[Beta Firmware/iPhone 4 CDMA|CDMA]]). This was proposed back about a month after the CDMA version came out, but we left it.<br /><br />
Maybe just four or five pages a day? It will take a few weeks, but it could be done. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 16:02, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:Being the person that initially proposed this change, it sounds good to me (as I said on Twitter). Since there are quite a lot of key pages, it would definitely be best to spread out the change over several days (or weeks). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:01, 31 October 2012 (MDT)<br />
:The extension <code>(iPhone 4)</code> was fine when there was only one iPhone 4. But now, with the CDMA, Rev. A, etc. we need the differentiation. So yes, I agree with the change. But I would rather change all pages at once (if everybody agrees to the change itself). Preferably during a quiet time, when there were no other edits for a week or so. And by the way, for the iPhone 5, Apple refers to the two models as A1428 and A1429, not Global and GSM: [http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/] --[[User:Http|http]] 01:33, 2 November 2012 (MDT)<br />
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=== Server error ===<br />
Is this server playing up? I ask this because it loads very slow and a lot of the time the pages do not show correctly. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 12:16, 7 December 2012 (MST)<br />
: Found out that its the CSS not loading. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 15:59, 8 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== IRC Channel ===<br />
I have made an IRC Channel for this website. irc.freenode.net #theiphonewiki . Please add this to the main page too. --[[User:Adaminsull|adaminsull]] 11:19, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:It was there before, but later removed as no one used it. Check the history of [[Main Page/Welcome]]. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 14:06, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:: I see but if it is on the main page then it may be used. I do not mind running the channel at all. Please consider this. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 14:07, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think you are running it if it is on FreeNode.<br />
:::: I dont think anyone will use it; i was there today just to see who else was, just adam and kirb. --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:35, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
::::: I am running it as it wasnt registered. Also Haifisch maybe because I only made it today. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 17:37, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::: Thats all you did was register the channel, technically not running it. Saurik runs #iphone cause its on his server. Plus i dont think anyone ''will'' use it. What can they ask there that couldnt here? --[[User:Haifisch|Haifisch]] 17:41, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
Well more support like how to use wiki features etc. Also we will see. --[[User:Adaminsull|Adaminsull]] 18:20, 21 December 2012 (MST)<br />
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==mediawiki upgraded==<br />
Now version 1.20.2 And switched to PHP 5.4, hopefully it'll be faster.</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=ASLR&diff=23983ASLR2012-01-18T22:05:45Z<p>Geohot: fix typo</p>
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<div>Address Space Layout Randomization<br />
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==First added==<br />
*with iOS 4.3<br />
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==Program and dyld==<br />
*On program load, the address space offset of the program is randomized between 0x0 and 0x100000<br />
*It always falls on a 0x1000 page boundary<br />
*dyld is included in this sliding section<br />
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==dyld_shared_cache==<br />
*The system libraries are now stored in a big cache file, see [http://www.iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Dyld_shared_cache]<br />
*This address randomized at boot time, in many possible places, higher in the address space than the program<br />
*The functions retain a fixed offset to each other.</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=23981Talk:Main Page2012-01-18T22:03:59Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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== [[iPhone Tracker]] ==<br />
[[iPhone Tracker]]? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 11:34, 9 September 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Steve Jobs ==<br />
Rest in peace, Steve. You will be especially missed by us here at the iPhone Wiki, as without you, we wouldn't have the iPhone, the iPod, or the iPad, and we wouldn't be hacking them. You were a true genius, a true visionary, and most of all, the best person this world has ever seen. Thank you, Steve. --[[User:Rdqronos|rdqronos]] 18:28, 5 October 2011 (MDT)<br />
:<nowiki />*thumbs up* --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Block ==<br />
Why is there a three year block on this? (I'm surprised it has been one year already...) --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:As I recall, an edit war kept breaking out in the "Hackers" section. I gave a warning that the next time an edit war occurred, it would be protected for three years.[http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&page=Main+Page] --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:04, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
::What about moving it (and the header of the next one to keep people from placing it below the <nowiki>{{Main Page/Hackers}}</nowiki>) to [[Main Page/Hackers]] and protecting that page? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 13:13, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think we should have to edit the main page enough to branch it off like that. We should keep things organized rather than making new pages. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 14:05, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
::::I agree with Jabob. If Dialexio is not so lazy like I am in the last few weeks, valid change requests on the page [[Talk:Main Page]] (here) will get implemented within a day or so. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:41, 23 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:::::I'm not as lazy as you are; I'm ''lazier'' than you. :P …Kidding aside, I'll be around more often than not to look into any edit requests made. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:07, 23 November 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Update on jailbreak sector ==<br />
Guys, on the Main page, we can find a coloured board showing wich devices can be jailbroken and untethered. Well, I don't know how to change, but there is an error. The iPhone 3GS OldBootrom can be jailbroken and untethered with the 24kpwn exploit. The board shows that any version of the 3GS are not succeptible to untether at the moment. If I'm right, please someone change and delete this post. --[[User:XiiiX|XiiiX]] 16:12, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Done. -- [[User:Http|http]] 15:38, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== TODO List ==<br />
Do we have a TODO List? People could put things there to make more people understand the priorities of now. --[[User:XiiiX|XiiiX]] 18:42, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:[[Project:Current Events]]? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 20:30, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Disclaimer ==<br />
Can we add the transparency style to the Disclamer?<br />
background: orange; background: rgba(255, 165, 0, 0.5); /* Change to look nice */<br />
--[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 20:26, 6 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:What's with adding transparency everywhere? There's not nearly enough contrast between the [[Template:Yes|Yes]] and [[Template:Partial|Partial]] templates now. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 17:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Yah, those I will make darker while still retaining the transparency. But with the "beta" style by [[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]], "white/pinstripes-on-pinstripes" looks better than "white-on-pinstripes". --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 19:54, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Made them a bit darker with slightly more transparency so it looks just the same as it did before transparency, but you can see through them better. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 23:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Technical ==<br />
<br />
In an effort to be more technical, can we list all [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] (mainly the [[:Category:Kernel Patches|Kernel Patches]]) and all [[:Category:Exploits|Exploits]] on the main page? If these ~20 entries are too much, then maybe just the category link, or only those used since 3.1.3? -- [[User:Http|http]] 02:30, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Support --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 08:46, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::After your statement, no one contradicts, so I've added something how I think it's not too bad. I had to make a selection to not increase the page size too much. Let me know if the selection, order or anything else should get changed. --[[User:Http|http]] 14:59, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:It would also be cool to have the versions the exploit works on, the discoverer, and the first program to implement it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 14:51, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Here on the main page? I think this would be better placed on the according pages. Open the main page on the iPhone (I edit there!) and see how crowded it already is. If you still want it, maybe we need a table or something. Suggestions everybody? --[[User:Http|http]] 14:59, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Yea, perhaps not on the main page, but an overview of exploits, most importantly which version they work on, is needed. Perhaps just grouping according to version on the main page. I don't view the site often on iPhone, I'll look. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 15:03, 18 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Bootchain&diff=23979Bootchain2012-01-18T22:01:53Z<p>Geohot: Created page with "==Application Processor== *Bootrom *LLB *iBoot *Kernel *Applications ==Baseband== *Bootrom *Bootloader *[[Baseband_F..."</p>
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<div>==Application Processor==<br />
*[[Bootrom]]<br />
*[[LLB]]<br />
*[[iBoot]]<br />
*[[Kernel]]<br />
*Applications<br />
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==Baseband==<br />
*[[Baseband_Bootrom|Bootrom]]<br />
*[[Baseband_Bootloader|Bootloader]]<br />
*[[Baseband_Firmware|Firmware]]</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Launchd&diff=23977Launchd2012-01-18T21:59:08Z<p>Geohot: Created page with "launchd is the background process used to manage daemons running on the phone. It is commanded using launchctl. ==External Links== [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchd launchd ..."</p>
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<div>launchd is the background process used to manage daemons running on the phone. It is commanded using launchctl.<br />
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==External Links==<br />
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launchd launchd on Wikipedia]</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=23976Talk:Main Page2012-01-18T21:51:45Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011}}<br />
<br />
== [[iPhone Tracker]] ==<br />
[[iPhone Tracker]]? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 11:34, 9 September 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
== Steve Jobs ==<br />
Rest in peace, Steve. You will be especially missed by us here at the iPhone Wiki, as without you, we wouldn't have the iPhone, the iPod, or the iPad, and we wouldn't be hacking them. You were a true genius, a true visionary, and most of all, the best person this world has ever seen. Thank you, Steve. --[[User:Rdqronos|rdqronos]] 18:28, 5 October 2011 (MDT)<br />
:<nowiki />*thumbs up* --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Block ==<br />
Why is there a three year block on this? (I'm surprised it has been one year already...) --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:As I recall, an edit war kept breaking out in the "Hackers" section. I gave a warning that the next time an edit war occurred, it would be protected for three years.[http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&page=Main+Page] --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:04, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
::What about moving it (and the header of the next one to keep people from placing it below the <nowiki>{{Main Page/Hackers}}</nowiki>) to [[Main Page/Hackers]] and protecting that page? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 13:13, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think we should have to edit the main page enough to branch it off like that. We should keep things organized rather than making new pages. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 14:05, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
::::I agree with Jabob. If Dialexio is not so lazy like I am in the last few weeks, valid change requests on the page [[Talk:Main Page]] (here) will get implemented within a day or so. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:41, 23 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:::::I'm not as lazy as you are; I'm ''lazier'' than you. :P …Kidding aside, I'll be around more often than not to look into any edit requests made. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:07, 23 November 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Update on jailbreak sector ==<br />
Guys, on the Main page, we can find a coloured board showing wich devices can be jailbroken and untethered. Well, I don't know how to change, but there is an error. The iPhone 3GS OldBootrom can be jailbroken and untethered with the 24kpwn exploit. The board shows that any version of the 3GS are not succeptible to untether at the moment. If I'm right, please someone change and delete this post. --[[User:XiiiX|XiiiX]] 16:12, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Done. -- [[User:Http|http]] 15:38, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== TODO List ==<br />
Do we have a TODO List? People could put things there to make more people understand the priorities of now. --[[User:XiiiX|XiiiX]] 18:42, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:[[Project:Current Events]]? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 20:30, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Disclaimer ==<br />
Can we add the transparency style to the Disclamer?<br />
background: orange; background: rgba(255, 165, 0, 0.5); /* Change to look nice */<br />
--[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 20:26, 6 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:What's with adding transparency everywhere? There's not nearly enough contrast between the [[Template:Yes|Yes]] and [[Template:Partial|Partial]] templates now. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 17:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Yah, those I will make darker while still retaining the transparency. But with the "beta" style by [[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]], "white/pinstripes-on-pinstripes" looks better than "white-on-pinstripes". --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 19:54, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Made them a bit darker with slightly more transparency so it looks just the same as it did before transparency, but you can see through them better. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 23:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Technical ==<br />
<br />
In an effort to be more technical, can we list all [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] (mainly the [[:Category:Kernel Patches|Kernel Patches]]) and all [[:Category:Exploits|Exploits]] on the main page? If these ~20 entries are too much, then maybe just the category link, or only those used since 3.1.3? -- [[User:Http|http]] 02:30, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Support --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 08:46, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:It would also be cool to have the versions the exploit works on, the discoverer, and the first program to implement it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 14:51, 18 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=23974The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-01-18T21:48:44Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
<br />
== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== AcidSn0w ===<br />
Can I propose a page for acidsn0w? I heard that there was stolen code, so I haven't posted. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 17:02, 17 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:The first beta did use stolen code, but the second beta fixed that. As it is still in beta, a page may not be a good idea. It does have a good user-base as shown in their blog comments, but it is up to the sysops. If you are in the Pwn Dev Team, then NO. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 17:09, 17 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:: I am not in their team. :P I'll wait till/if they release it. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 17:37, 17 January 2012 (MST) <br />
:::I want to make something clear about this wiki, it's called "The iPhone Wiki", not "The iPhone Community Wiki", or even "The Jailbreaking Wiki". This site exists to document the iPhone, not who made what GUI. A jailbreak tool that doesn't introduce exploits or isn't very widely used isn't notable. To clarify, the [[Limera1n_Exploit]] page is far more valuable than the [[limera1n]] page. Please focus on adding technical content instead of thinly veiled advertisements. For example, it's appalling we don't have a page documenting [[ASLR]] --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 23:16, 17 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I would also like to see the Baseband ticket system documented --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 14:48, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
=== opensn0w article undeletion ===<br />
[[User:Http|http]] said to notify when released.. we have something tangible now. It's open source, so there is no 'cut' release for the time being. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 15:01, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
: Where are the released files? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 02:02, 16 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::On the deleted page it had this link: https://github.com/velocitylimitless/opensn0w -- [[User:Http|http]] 03:41, 16 January 2012 (MST)<br />
: What exactly does it do, I've read over the readme but not fully understaning the program, what it can run on, and if its a console or GUI. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 11:25, 16 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::The readme says "Why not use redsn0w? It has a graphical user interface!" means it is a console app designed for implementation in other programs. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 12:05, 16 January 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
=== silversn0w ===<br />
Am I allowed to propose a new page for my new program silversn0w? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 23:48, 13 January 2012 (MST){{unsigned|Dylan Laws|14 January 2012, 5:44 GMT}}<br />
:What does it do? --[[User:Http|http]] 23:27, 13 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Right now its a limera1n injector, you can upload files through iBoot (e.g iBSS, iBEC, ramdisks), but im working on making it a jailbreak.--[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 23:48, 13 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Is this ok? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 11:29, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::You just posted it anyway and its crap, can someone delete the page? --[[User:Ryanb93|Ryanb93]] 12:22, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::You posted it w/o the discussion being finalized! --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:38, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
@Dialexio: How did it violate GPL v3? Was it not open sourced while using iRecovery (which is)? --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:41, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Indeed. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 14:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:: What's the problem? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:00, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Any program that uses software released under the GNU GPL (any version), in this case iRecovery, the program must be open source. Thats why sn0wbreeze is (XPwn, VFDecrypt), Seas0nPass (XPwn, VFDecrypt), iDecryptIt (VFDecrypt, 7-zip), etc. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:32, 15 January 2012 (MST)<br />
If we must discuss this then shall we do it now? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:02, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:? --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 15:06, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:: just delete it and remove me if you want, do don't want any part do what geohot has made. I've got my own wiki on my site, so, I'm good. I'm just a useless dead weight here. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:13, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::We arn't trying to make you upset, but you arn't following the rules of GUIs are stated in the category. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 16:22, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::: It's fine, I'm just kinda upset that most of the time, there's already a program out there for most of the stuff I make. I'll contribute to this wiki as much as I can. Maybe when i/if I finish silversn0w I'll ask if I can post it here.--[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 16:55, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== 2.2b1 ===<br />
Is 2.2b1 5G26 or 5G27, because on [[Beta Firmware]], it says 5G27 while on the previous revisions of [[VFDecrypt Keys]] is said 5G26 --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 18:47, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
===Rename===<br />
I was wondering if you can install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Renameuser|Renameuser]] and make me an admin? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:21, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Installed, who do you want renamed? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I wanted to be renamed to 5urd. My twitter account name --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:16, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Banning GUI Tools===<br />
I'm starting to think banning "GUI tools" is a good idea, the silversn0w discussion was removed without consensus and a page was created. Like wikipedia, we need notability criteria. If your tool isn't used by at least a 1000 people, it does not belong here. To the posters of GUI tools, why not spend your time creating constructive pages instead, documenting poorly documented things and fixing typos? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I don't think that will be neccessary. The [[silversn0w]] thing was created before the [[#silversn0w|discussion]] was even finished. That is the problem. Maybe a ban rule on people who post things w/o a finalized discussion... --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:38, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Maybe a "new page wizard" could be used, like on Wikipedia. It could ask "what is the article about?", then it keeps asking questions till it decides whether the page should be allowed or to ask here first. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:47, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
===Rename Requests===<br />
The plugin to do renames has been installed, renames are at the discretion of our current admins. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:It looks like only you can perform renames at the moment. The extension's page says you can [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser#Use add a line of code] (I think to LocalSettings.php… not sure though) to give admins the ability to perform renames, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 14:50, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::bureaucrats can do it already. But geohot is the only one... --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 15:06, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::sysops can do it now too, sorry thought that was the default --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 20:21, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== SOPA blackout ===<br />
Will the iPhone wiki be participating in SOPA blackout? (Jan 17 12:00 AM GMT to Jan 18 11:59 PM GMT) To activate, just drop this at the bottom of localsettings.php:<br />
if (gmdate('Y') == '2012' && gmdate('m') == '01' && (gmdate('d') == '17' || gmdate('d') == '18'))<br />
die('<html><head><script>window.location = "http://protestsopa.org";</script></head></html>');<br />
--[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 20:29, 15 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=ASLR&diff=23972ASLR2012-01-18T21:46:08Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>Address Space Layout Randomization<br />
<br />
==First added==<br />
*Either 4.2 or 4.3???<br />
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==Program and dyld==<br />
*On program load, the address space offset of the program is randomized between 0x0 and 0x100000<br />
*It always falls on a 0x1000 page boundary<br />
*dyld is included in this sliding section<br />
<br />
==dyld_shared_cache==<br />
*The system libraries are now stored in a big cache file, see [[http://www.iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Dyld_shared_cache]]<br />
*This is address randomized at boot time, in many possible places<br />
*The functions retain a fixed offset to each other.</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=ASLR&diff=23971ASLR2012-01-18T21:45:03Z<p>Geohot: Created page with "Address Space Layout Randomization ==Program and dyld== *On program load, the address space offset of the program is randomized between 0x0 and 0x100000 *It always falls on a 0x..."</p>
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<div>Address Space Layout Randomization<br />
<br />
==Program and dyld==<br />
*On program load, the address space offset of the program is randomized between 0x0 and 0x100000<br />
*It always falls on a 0x1000 page boundary<br />
*dyld is included in this sliding section<br />
<br />
==dyld_shared_cache==<br />
*The system libraries are now stored in a big cache file, see [[http://www.iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Dyld_shared_cache]]<br />
*This is address randomized at boot time, in many possible places<br />
*The functions retain a fixed offset to each other.</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=23952Talk:Main Page2012-01-18T15:46:09Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011}}<br />
<br />
== [[iPhone Tracker]] ==<br />
[[iPhone Tracker]]? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 11:34, 9 September 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
== Steve Jobs ==<br />
Rest in peace, Steve. You will be especially missed by us here at the iPhone Wiki, as without you, we wouldn't have the iPhone, the iPod, or the iPad, and we wouldn't be hacking them. You were a true genius, a true visionary, and most of all, the best person this world has ever seen. Thank you, Steve. --[[User:Rdqronos|rdqronos]] 18:28, 5 October 2011 (MDT)<br />
:<nowiki />*thumbs up* --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Block ==<br />
Why is there a three year block on this? (I'm surprised it has been one year already...) --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:49, 19 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:As I recall, an edit war kept breaking out in the "Hackers" section. I gave a warning that the next time an edit war occurred, it would be protected for three years.[http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&page=Main+Page] --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:04, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
::What about moving it (and the header of the next one to keep people from placing it below the <nowiki>{{Main Page/Hackers}}</nowiki>) to [[Main Page/Hackers]] and protecting that page? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 13:13, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I don't think we should have to edit the main page enough to branch it off like that. We should keep things organized rather than making new pages. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 14:05, 20 November 2011 (MST)<br />
::::I agree with Jabob. If Dialexio is not so lazy like I am in the last few weeks, valid change requests on the page [[Talk:Main Page]] (here) will get implemented within a day or so. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:41, 23 November 2011 (MST)<br />
:::::I'm not as lazy as you are; I'm ''lazier'' than you. :P …Kidding aside, I'll be around more often than not to look into any edit requests made. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:07, 23 November 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Update on jailbreak sector ==<br />
Guys, on the Main page, we can find a coloured board showing wich devices can be jailbroken and untethered. Well, I don't know how to change, but there is an error. The iPhone 3GS OldBootrom can be jailbroken and untethered with the 24kpwn exploit. The board shows that any version of the 3GS are not succeptible to untether at the moment. If I'm right, please someone change and delete this post. --[[User:XiiiX|XiiiX]] 16:12, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Done. -- [[User:Http|http]] 15:38, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== TODO List ==<br />
Do we have a TODO List? People could put things there to make more people understand the priorities of now. --[[User:XiiiX|XiiiX]] 18:42, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:[[Project:Current Events]]? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 20:30, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Disclaimer ==<br />
Can we add the transparency style to the Disclamer?<br />
background: orange; background: rgba(255, 165, 0, 0.5); /* Change to look nice */<br />
--[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 20:26, 6 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:What's with adding transparency everywhere? There's not nearly enough contrast between the [[Template:Yes|Yes]] and [[Template:Partial|Partial]] templates now. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 17:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Yah, those I will make darker while still retaining the transparency. But with the "beta" style by [[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]], "white/pinstripes-on-pinstripes" looks better than "white-on-pinstripes". --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 19:54, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Made them a bit darker with slightly more transparency so it looks just the same as it did before transparency, but you can see through them better. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 23:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
<br />
== Technical ==<br />
<br />
In an effort to be more technical, can we list all [[:Category:Patches|Patches]] (mainly the [[:Category:Kernel Patches|Kernel Patches]]) and all [[:Category:Exploits|Exploits]] on the main page? If these ~20 entries are too much, then maybe just the category link, or only those used since 3.1.3? -- [[User:Http|http]] 02:30, 18 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Support --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 08:46, 18 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=23946The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-01-18T06:16:06Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== AcidSn0w ===<br />
Can I propose a page for acidsn0w? I heard that there was stolen code, so I haven't posted. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 17:02, 17 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:The first beta did use stolen code, but the second beta fixed that. As it is still in beta, a page may not be a good idea. It does have a good user-base as shown in their blog comments, but it is up to the sysops. If you are in the Pwn Dev Team, then NO. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 17:09, 17 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:: I am not in their team. :P I'll wait till/if they release it. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 17:37, 17 January 2012 (MST) <br />
:::I want to make something clear about this wiki, it's called "The iPhone Wiki", not "The iPhone Community Wiki", or even "The Jailbreaking Wiki". This site exists to document the iPhone, not who made what GUI. A jailbreak tool that doesn't introduce exploits or isn't very widely used isn't notable. To clarify, the [[Limera1n_Exploit]] page is far more valuable than the [[limera1n]] page. Please focus on adding technical content instead of thinly veiled advertisements. For example, it's appalling we don't have a page documenting [[ASLR]] --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 23:16, 17 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== opensn0w article undeletion ===<br />
[[User:Http|http]] said to notify when released.. we have something tangible now. It's open source, so there is no 'cut' release for the time being. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 15:01, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
: Where are the released files? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 02:02, 16 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::On the deleted page it had this link: https://github.com/velocitylimitless/opensn0w -- [[User:Http|http]] 03:41, 16 January 2012 (MST)<br />
: What exactly does it do, I've read over the readme but not fully understaning the program, what it can run on, and if its a console or GUI. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 11:25, 16 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::The readme says "Why not use redsn0w? It has a graphical user interface!" means it is a console app designed for implementation in other programs. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 12:05, 16 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== silversn0w ===<br />
Am I allowed to propose a new page for my new program silversn0w? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 23:48, 13 January 2012 (MST){{unsigned|Dylan Laws|14 January 2012, 5:44 GMT}}<br />
:What does it do? --[[User:Http|http]] 23:27, 13 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Right now its a limera1n injector, you can upload files through iBoot (e.g iBSS, iBEC, ramdisks), but im working on making it a jailbreak.--[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 23:48, 13 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Is this ok? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 11:29, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::You just posted it anyway and its crap, can someone delete the page? --[[User:Ryanb93|Ryanb93]] 12:22, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::You posted it w/o the discussion being finalized! --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:38, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
@Dialexio: How did it violate GPL v3? Was it not open sourced while using iRecovery (which is)? --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:41, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Indeed. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 14:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:: What's the problem? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:00, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Any program that uses software released under the GNU GPL (any version), in this case iRecovery, the program must be open source. Thats why sn0wbreeze is (XPwn, VFDecrypt), Seas0nPass (XPwn, VFDecrypt), iDecryptIt (VFDecrypt, 7-zip), etc. --[[User:5urd|5urd]] 20:32, 15 January 2012 (MST)<br />
If we must discuss this then shall we do it now? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:02, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:? --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 15:06, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:: just delete it and remove me if you want, do don't want any part do what geohot has made. I've got my own wiki on my site, so, I'm good. I'm just a useless dead weight here. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:13, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::We arn't trying to make you upset, but you arn't following the rules of GUIs are stated in the category. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 16:22, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::: It's fine, I'm just kinda upset that most of the time, there's already a program out there for most of the stuff I make. I'll contribute to this wiki as much as I can. Maybe when i/if I finish silversn0w I'll ask if I can post it here.--[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 16:55, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== 2.2b1 ===<br />
Is 2.2b1 5G26 or 5G27, because on [[Beta Firmware]], it says 5G27 while on the previous revisions of [[VFDecrypt Keys]] is said 5G26 --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 18:47, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename===<br />
I was wondering if you can install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Renameuser|Renameuser]] and make me an admin? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:21, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Installed, who do you want renamed? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I wanted to be renamed to 5urd. My twitter account name --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:16, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Banning GUI Tools===<br />
I'm starting to think banning "GUI tools" is a good idea, the silversn0w discussion was removed without consensus and a page was created. Like wikipedia, we need notability criteria. If your tool isn't used by at least a 1000 people, it does not belong here. To the posters of GUI tools, why not spend your time creating constructive pages instead, documenting poorly documented things and fixing typos? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I don't think that will be neccessary. The [[silversn0w]] thing was created before the [[#silversn0w|discussion]] was even finished. That is the problem. Maybe a ban rule on people who post things w/o a finalized discussion... --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:38, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Maybe a "new page wizard" could be used, like on Wikipedia. It could ask "what is the article about?", then it keeps asking questions till it decides whether the page should be allowed or to ask here first. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:47, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename Requests===<br />
The plugin to do renames has been installed, renames are at the discretion of our current admins. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:It looks like only you can perform renames at the moment. The extension's page says you can [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser#Use add a line of code] (I think to LocalSettings.php… not sure though) to give admins the ability to perform renames, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 14:50, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::bureaucrats can do it already. But geohot is the only one... --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 15:06, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::sysops can do it now too, sorry thought that was the default --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 20:21, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== SOPA blackout ===<br />
Will the iPhone wiki be participating in SOPA blackout? (Jan 17 12:00 AM GMT to Jan 18 11:59 PM GMT) To activate, just drop this at the bottom of localsettings.php:<br />
if (gmdate('Y') == '2012' && gmdate('m') == '01' && (gmdate('d') == '17' || gmdate('d') == '18'))<br />
die('<html><head><script>window.location = "http://protestsopa.org";</script></head></html>');<br />
--[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 20:29, 15 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=23785The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-01-15T03:21:28Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
<br />
== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== silversn0w ===<br />
Am I allowed to propose a new page for my new program silversn0w? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 23:48, 13 January 2012 (MST){{unsigned|Dylan Laws|14 January 2012, 5:44 GMT}}<br />
:What does it do? --[[User:Http|http]] 23:27, 13 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Right now its a limera1n injector, you can upload files through iBoot (e.g iBSS, iBEC, ramdisks), but im working on making it a jailbreak.--[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 23:48, 13 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Is this ok? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 11:29, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::You just posted it anyway and its crap, can someone delete the page? --[[User:Ryanb93|Ryanb93]] 12:22, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::You posted it w/o the discussion being finalized! --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:38, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
@Dialexio: How did it violate GPL v3? Was it not open sourced while using iRecovery (which is)? --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:41, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Indeed. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 14:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:: What's the problem? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:00, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
If we must discuss this then shall we do it now? --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:02, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:? --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 15:06, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:: just delete it and remove me if you want, do don't want any part do what geohot has made. I've got my own wiki on my site, so, I'm good. I'm just a useless dead weight here. --[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 15:13, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::We arn't trying to make you upset, but you arn't following the rules of GUIs are stated in the category. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 16:22, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::: It's fine, I'm just kinda upset that most of the time, there's already a program out there for most of the stuff I make. I'll contribute to this wiki as much as I can. Maybe when i/if I finish silversn0w I'll ask if I can post it here.--[[User:Dylan Laws|Dylan Laws]] 16:55, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== 2.2b1 ===<br />
Is 2.2b1 5G26 or 5G27, because on [[Beta Firmware]], it says 5G27 while on the previous revisions of [[VFDecrypt Keys]] is said 5G26 --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 18:47, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename===<br />
I was wondering if you can install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Renameuser|Renameuser]] and make me an admin? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:21, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Installed, who do you want renamed? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I wanted to be renamed to 5urd. My twitter account name --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:16, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Banning GUI Tools===<br />
I'm starting to think banning "GUI tools" is a good idea, the silversn0w discussion was removed without consensus and a page was created. Like wikipedia, we need notability criteria. If your tool isn't used by at least a 1000 people, it does not belong here. To the posters of GUI tools, why not spend your time creating constructive pages instead, documenting poorly documented things and fixing typos? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I don't think that will be neccessary. The [[silversn0w]] thing was created before the [[#silversn0w|discussion]] was even finished. That is the problem. Maybe a ban rule on people who post things w/o a finalized discussion... --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 14:38, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename Requests===<br />
The plugin to do renames has been installed, renames are at the discretion of our current admins. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:It looks like only you can perform renames at the moment. The extension's page says you can [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Renameuser#Use add a line of code] (I think to LocalSettings.php… not sure though) to give admins the ability to perform renames, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 14:50, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::bureaucrats can do it already. But geohot is the only one... --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 15:06, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::sysops can do it now too, sorry thought that was the default --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 20:21, 14 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=23752The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-01-14T20:53:12Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== Corona Info ===<br />
We need to get Corona info integrated into the wiki. There's good info here: http://pod2g-ios.blogspot.com/2012/01/details-on-corona.html [[User:Beej|beej]] 21:54, 2 January 2012 (MST)beej<br />
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=== 2.2b1 ===<br />
Is 2.2b1 5G26 or 5G27, because on [[Beta Firmware]], it says 5G27... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 19:48, 6 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key pages ===<br />
I would like to propose a new rule: Do not create a key page (e.g.- [[Jasper 8C148 (iPad)]]) unless you can also provide at least one key. Key pages are meant to share decryption keys with others. Copying and pasting from a template page provides us with no information whatsoever, and also wastes time (both the poster's and the administrators'). Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:50, 4 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:I'm against that. While I agree we shouldn't create all empty pages to fill out later, I don't see any reason to have a rule for that. Or was that a problem recently and I missed it? I also created pages with very few content (like [[Siri]]), that other users picked up or hopefully will pick up and enhanced. Key pages are a little different though. And the page you reference was never empty (but had wrong keys initially). So if you feel a big need to have such a rule, go on. -- [[User:Http|http]] 05:06, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
::I was simply using that page as an example of a key page, for those that had no clue what I was talking about. I think that posting an article with little content is a bit different from an empty key page; at least a small amount of information is being provided. In addition, it's easier to tell whether a key page needs to be filled out or not if the key page's link is red because the page was never created. I'll wait for additional feedback from anybody else before I decide on whether or not to add this to the rules. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:31, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:::Ok --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 16:58, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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=== New Upper Left Image ===<br />
If someone has a good one, I'll change it. Who still has an iPhone 2G? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:11, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:[[:File:NewLogo.png]]? Problem is one like that doesnt scale well. Maybe a rotated (like this) image of an [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]] or an [[iPad 2]]. I have an image of a rotated iPhone 4S if you want... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 14:04, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Something with an iPhone and the [[:File:Iptwiki.png|iPhone wiki logo]] from the main page would look good. I'll see if I can make one up. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:06, 17 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:why not the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_iOS.svg iOS logo]? --[[User:M2m|M2m]] 10:02, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I don't think we can use that because it's a copyrighted logo. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Agreed --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Mine requires a bit of [[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|extra CSS]] for it too look good. This can be added to [[Mediawiki:skin.css]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 17:59, 19 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:i have an iPhone 2G geohot! --[[User:Zmaster|Zmaster]] 12:08, 24 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Ok, I got something from @iSurenix. He says: "In case you don't like it, I can always fix it up etc. but I think it looks new, fresh and updated." -- [[User:Http|http]] 13:40, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Excellent! --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:54, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I think it blends into the background too much because the iPhone is white. Thats just my opinion thought. Otherwise I like it. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 16:18, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::Maybe a black one? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 17:14, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I got a resized version from him and uploaded it. Some Mediawiki documentation said ideal size is 135x135 (max 150x150). And about the white he commented: "I like how I've used the white iPhone. It's lie I've said "new and fresh". Not a lot places use white iPhones. Let alone in that specific position. I like it." (@iSurenix). -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:09, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::We could put a background behind the page if it's staying white... maybe the iOS textured background? [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:15, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|Here's the css]] for the textured background I was talking about. To try it, copy and paste this to your address bar: <tt>javascript:void(importStylesheet("User:thekirbylover/skin.css"))</tt> [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:I like both of these! The white one seems a bit more "professional" so that's nice, but the text is a little pale. They're both better than the existing logo though, so I'd be happy with either. [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:17, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Why isn't the p in iPhone capitalized? Otherwise, I like the white one. I also like the skin, if general consensus is change the skin I will do it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::He just updated to "iPhone" - new image uploaded. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:15, 6 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Thanks! Image has been changed --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
==== Proposed logos ====<br />
These are thumbnails, click on them to view in normal size.<br />
<gallery><br />
File:thekirbylover's iPhone Wiki logo.png|[[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]]<br />
File:Theiphonewiki.png|{{twitter|iSurenix}}<br />
</gallery><br />
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=== Cydia links ===<br />
Links to Cydia, such as cydia://package/com.example.test, don't seem to wanna be linkified by the wiki, but there's an internal setting you can change: <tt>$wgUrlProtocols[] = "cydia://";</tt>. You might also want to use [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] to add a mini Cydia icon next to it. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:As for the ''localsettings.php'' change, this is [[user:geohot|geohot]]'s problem. As for the CSS change, we could use [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/91/Cydia.png/16px-Cydia.png Cydia.png@16px]. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Yep, I was gonna put that CSS in my [[User:thekirbylover/monobook.css]] after I posted that. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Monobook.css is used on Vector pages too. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I checked the source and the "/load.php?{CRAP}" are empty and for some reason, {{wp|Google Chrome}}'s "Inspect Element" show up styles... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:29, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::/skin.css is cross skin while /vector.css and /monobook.css are per-skin --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
Support added --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 20:04, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Theme===<br />
<s>Oh, also, can you please install the [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Gadgets|gadgets]] extension and add these pages:<br />
MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition <tt>* betatheme[ResourceLoader]|betatheme.css|betatheme.js</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme <tt>Beta theme (works best with the Vector theme)</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.css <tt>@import "/wiki/index.php?title=[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css]]&action=raw&ctype=text/css";</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.js <tt>importScript("[[User:thekirbylover/skin.js]]")</tt><br />
(or you can give me admin privileges and I'll take care of the mediawiki:gadget pages) [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 00:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)</s><br />
:Can't you just put the css in [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] and the js in [[Mediawiki:Common.js]]? It would make it so any admin can edit instead of just you, which might be better. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:25, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Yeah, I thought of that a while after I posted it. Though I'd still need admin privileges to edit them. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 15:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I'm happy to point the global CSS to your page, reading about Gadget now...though a global js you can edit, particularly one that imports offsite js, will require some persuading? :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried adding an import to the vector skin default css, didn't work. Still want me to do the gadget thing? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Add <tt>@import "//cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] and <tt>importScriptURI("//cdn.hbang.ws/js/iphonewiki.js");</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] - both links are to my site and should be live in a few minutes. Also, you'll want to look at allowing more database connections - I've been getting "This wiki has a problem - max_connections reached" a lot lately. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:50, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::css import still isn't working, did I do it right? External javascript is a security vuln, if there are really worthwhile things to be added in javascript(I don't really like the share buttons they add to everything these days, and wikipedia doesn't AJAX), then I'll add them directly on this site. I know about the database problem, looking into it now --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::CSS's live now - check [http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css] to see if it comes up. I believe the internal css files are cached by MediaWiki, so maybe try the @import line in Vector.css, then clear your cache, shift+click on refresh in Chrome and Firefox. <br />
:::::I'll remove the ajax/share js, though I still want to use js to make checkboxes into iOS switches, which could just be on [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:12, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Imports didn't work, no idea why, chrome didn't even try to load the imported css, so I pasted right in vector. Any downsides? And any way to give you edit rights to that page? I will e-mail about max_user_connections before I go to bed tonight, it's currently set at 15. It may also be time to move this wiki to a bigger server, my account gets CPU throttled all of the time(and as a result the page is a little slow), though I'm not sure where, this site gets about 2 qps. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 23:29, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::Theme's working now, must have just been the wiki caching it. Do a ctrl+click refresh to clear your cache; tap refresh then refresh again on mobile safari. Is the site on shared hosting or VPS? When I get my server running, I'll be happy to run it from here. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:34, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
I made a few minor tweaks to the CSS to resemble iOS 5 a little more (in browsers that have good CSS 3 support, anyways). I'll happily revert the changes if they're not well-received. (I think it looks better, but I am kinda biased on this. :P) And great job on the theme, guys! --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:58, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks ;) Your additions look cool, though I'm working on making the first heading look like a title bar on iOS. Also, looks like geohot put my css on [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]], which is now overriding the one on my server - can you please take it off and add <tt>@import "http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> so it loads from my server? (I'll include your changes to my css.) Or someone can make me a sysop so I can edit it myself. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Sure. I would like to keep everything on The iPhone Wiki though, so this may be a temporary thing until the theme feels complete and any kinks in the CSS are worked out. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:42, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried the import last night, it didn't work. External css is fine temporarily, external js is never allowed. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 12:27, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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I'd just like to throw my objection into the bucket here, because the new theme overwrote Vector and thus does not allow me to easily revert it. (MonoBook is the 500 year old wikipedia theme)<br />
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I also know someone who would gladly host this site so the database doesn't constantly time out, and has more open connections, for relatively low cost with good speed and uptime. If you'd like me to put you in touch geohot email me at my wiki username at gmail. --[[User:Acfrazier|Acfrazier]] 12:51, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Yea, an option for theme could be added. I'm trying to deal with the max_user_connections now, though hostmonster claims it was always 15. The whole thing is fishy, since php is single threaded and there are only 10 php processes running. If I move, it'll probably be to EC2, like $500 per year but I get to be root on the server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::At this point I'd be willing to pay for it, I've known this guy for ten years so I'd get a decent rate (we could probably get a dedicated so you'd have root). It's hard to do maintenance edits when it times out and this has been a problem for a few weeks that I've seen, that's why I haven't done much (but soon I'll have a lot of info to add). It's greatly upsetting that this entire wealth of information is here, but it's semi-inaccessible. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:09, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Yea, I'm digging into it now, it's only gotten bad recently. It looks like they messed with mysql on nov 22, 2011. It doesn't appear to be a bandwidth issue, it's a connection issue. For some reason, each php process is making two connections to the database. 10*2 = 20 > 15. Time to read some PHP, or figure out how to only launch 7 processes. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:18, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Well, my host suggested that you could use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:APC on his hosting and it'd give you a lot more breathing room. Most hosts limit you to 15 db connections (to prevent crashing the server with the 'slashdot effect' but hostgator's server is probably massively overloaded.) EC2 doesn't have good enough disk performance for database access. He told me he could have you moved today if you wanted to do it, I can get you in touch with him. The reason I primarily go with him is it's one to one, he runs his own stuff. If something comes up you have direct support. It's kind of hard being the middleman though, in my opinion he'd be worth talking to. (I'd appreciate it if you'd email me, with the timeout this is getting exceedingly hard to reply). --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:31, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::Error is hopefully fixed! Edited mediawiki to use mysql_pconnect instead of mysql_connect and limited db connections to one per process. I'll send you an e-mail tonight about possibly moving the site, although I'm going to do a little profiling here first, I've been with hostmonster for a while and overall they have been good. Currently I don't have a cache, looking into APC or memcached as a middle layer between the db and php(yay php-memcached-mysql just like facebook). --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:40, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Nope. Hot an error on last save. Hostinginsiders. $7 a month. CPanel. Full control over the server. Etc. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:25, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::I'm not particularly concerned with price as I am reliability, hence why I offered my host. (That's not to say he's expensive, but.. you get what you pay for.) It may be fixed, but page load times are still unnecessarily long. I look forward to your email, geohot. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 15:52, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Re the theme, geohot can go to the skins folder, copy Vector.php -> iPhone.php and rename the class names to say iPhone instead of Vector (but not the css files), then move [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] -> [[MediaWiki:Iphone.css]] and in LocalSettings.php, <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt>. Then there will be an option to go back to regular Vector. <br />
:With the slowdowns, it's probably 'cause MW 1.17 uses a load.php script (ResourceLoader) to combine css/js to be faster, but it also opens a new connection to the database to see what it can load from MediaWiki:Common.css, etc. I haven't run MW myself since 1.16, so I'm not entirely sure what to do there, but a cache extension should do the trick. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Also, geohot, Chrome Web inspector says there's no client-side caching, meaning images get re-downloaded every time. Try putting [http://pastie.org/3151957 this code] into a .htaccess file in the wiki folder. It'll force caching of files, especially the images in the background of the theme. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]]<br />
[[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:38, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I see 304s for the images. This resourceloader thing is annoying, even to send a 304 it has to load the damn php environment(i'm using fastcgi, but still) for each js and css file. The db errors are gone, but at the cost of performance. I enabled mw filecache, but it doesn't solve the problem. I believe the slowness is caused by the CPU throttling. I need a real server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 20:28, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
The new icon looks fantastic! I just have a minor issue with the new theme: the grey pinstripe background reduces readability of the text by some degree, with decreased contrast and the pattern of the pinstripes. Can I nominate the lighter grey color and more subtle pinstriping of tables (like "Contents" boxes) as the main text background color? I guess then the Contents boxes would be the same color, or even lighter, and that seems OK too. It'd be a little bit of a departure from Apple style, but I think it'd be a worthwhile change for a text-focused site. Thanks! [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:07, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I'm planning to put the page into boxes, like the Settings app, so that should make it easier to read. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::OK! I imagine that boxes might be visually distracting...but I'll comment on it when I see it. :) Also, the left sidebar seems to be white at the moment instead of linen-textured; I imagine that just means that an image link is temporarily broken or something? Might also be helpful to have a backup background color listed in the CSS? [[User:Britta|Britta]] 20:47, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I might actually just go with a gradient background like iPad settings, instead of using boxes. With the sidebar, not sure exactly what's happening there, I guess I forgot to add a backup color :/ [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 20:56, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
Could an admin please add [[User:thekirbylover/monobook.css]] to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], so the logo is readable in that skin? [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 01:26, 13 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I added some CSS to improve the logo's readability a little more, but I chose not to add your CSS in case people don't like the iOS theming. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 16:48, 13 January 2012 (MST)<br />
08:34, 14 January 2012 (MST)08:34, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
Why is there a weird reflection under the new top left image? Is that a code or someone edited it that made that? The reflection doesn't look right at all. Can someone remove that, please? Also, the top back linen area looks out of place when it crosses the top banner, which also looks off. I there a way to cut it JUST as it touched that banner? --Surenix<br />
:Done. (The reflection was only CSS for WebKit-based browsers, by the way.) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:18, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename===<br />
I was wondering if you can install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Renameuser|Renameuser]] and make me an admin? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:21, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Installed, who do you want renamed? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I wanted to be renamed to 5urd. My twitter account name --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:16, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== MD Bootrom ===<br />
Editing the [[models]] page, I noticed that the new white [[iPod4,2|iPod touch 4]]s have MD bootroms. However, I'm not sure about the black models, so can someone with a black touch 4 bought after September please tell me which model is reported in Settings? Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:46, 22 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Those are not bootroms; those are model numbers. According to Apple's online store, the black iPod touch 4G still has the same "MC" model numbers as before. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:27, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Ah, I see. Thanks for checking. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 16:33, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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=== Slowness ===<br />
I've added a filecache to hopefully speed things up a bit, and I removed fastcgi. It's a bit more bearable now, post here if you feel otherwise. I believe the majority of the slowness is the CPU throttling of my webhost and PHP's love for eating up CPU. We'll see how it goes for the next few days. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 21:45, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thank you for everything! I do get this once-in-a-while though. (1 in 10 requests [not as bad as before]):<br />
HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error): An unexpected condition was encountered while the server was attempting to fulfill the request.<br />
:--[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 22:02, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I also get 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable sometimes. The worst I've gotten is a completely blank page, not even any html. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:24, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:It's back to normal again; usable, but incredibly slow, with sometimes timeouts or other errors. Do you have access logs over time periods? Maybe it's just the increased traffic. For example pod2g's blog links here, so that normal users read some stuff. And related to caching, I've set the option in Preferences to not cache the pages. That doesn't help, but I'm still suffering the Mobile Safari caching bug. (Just don't make it worse.) Mobile Safari caching bug: when on the Recent Changes page (showing up to date content), clicking on some diff to show the changes, doing nothing and press browser Back button goes back to Recent Changes page, but (sometimes) showing data that is days old. --[[User:Http|http]] 01:22, 9 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::(The Mobile Safari caching bug seems to be happening [https://www.google.com/search?q=iOS+5+safari+back+button+cache across many different sites].) [[User:Britta|Britta]] 05:42, 9 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Looking around the wiki, I noticed that I'll get a blank page if I visit a page that hasn't been visited since it was last edited (though I might be wrong), and the css (even the base vector css!) keeps going on-and-off. Geohot, have you tried the caching directions I [[#Theme|posted above]]? [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 07:39, 9 January 2012 (MST)<br />
Hostmonster upgraded me to a better server. Seems fast now. Yay hostmonster! --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 09:24, 10 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Definitely feels 1000 times faster! Thanks! [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]]<br />
::Well, if you decide to move (if the site outgrows this server, again) you know where to find me. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 11:05, 10 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Wow, it's working again! Thank you! -- [[User:Http|http]] 16:15, 10 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== 1.18 ===<br />
Mediawiki 1.18 is out and includes many security fixes. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 23:31, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Banning GUI Tools===<br />
I'm starting to think banning "GUI tools" is a good idea, the silversn0w discussion was removed without consensus and a page was created. Like wikipedia, we need notability criteria. If your tool isn't used by at least a 1000 people, it does not belong here. To the posters of GUI tools, why not spend your time creating constructive pages instead, documenting poorly documented things and fixing typos? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename Requests===<br />
The plugin to do renames has been installed, renames are at the discretion of our current admins. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:53, 14 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=23629The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-01-10T16:24:39Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== Corona Info ===<br />
We need to get Corona info integrated into the wiki. There's good info here: http://pod2g-ios.blogspot.com/2012/01/details-on-corona.html [[User:Beej|beej]] 21:54, 2 January 2012 (MST)beej<br />
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=== 2.2b1 ===<br />
Is 2.2b1 5G26 or 5G27, because on [[Beta Firmware]], it says 5G27... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 19:48, 6 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key pages ===<br />
I would like to propose a new rule: Do not create a key page (e.g.- [[Jasper 8C148 (iPad)]]) unless you can also provide at least one key. Key pages are meant to share decryption keys with others. Copying and pasting from a template page provides us with no information whatsoever, and also wastes time (both the poster's and the administrators'). Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:50, 4 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:I'm against that. While I agree we shouldn't create all empty pages to fill out later, I don't see any reason to have a rule for that. Or was that a problem recently and I missed it? I also created pages with very few content (like [[Siri]]), that other users picked up or hopefully will pick up and enhanced. Key pages are a little different though. And the page you reference was never empty (but had wrong keys initially). So if you feel a big need to have such a rule, go on. -- [[User:Http|http]] 05:06, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
::I was simply using that page as an example of a key page, for those that had no clue what I was talking about. I think that posting an article with little content is a bit different from an empty key page; at least a small amount of information is being provided. In addition, it's easier to tell whether a key page needs to be filled out or not if the key page's link is red because the page was never created. I'll wait for additional feedback from anybody else before I decide on whether or not to add this to the rules. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:31, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:::Ok --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 16:58, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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=== New Upper Left Image ===<br />
If someone has a good one, I'll change it. Who still has an iPhone 2G? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:11, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:[[:File:NewLogo.png]]? Problem is one like that doesnt scale well. Maybe a rotated (like this) image of an [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]] or an [[iPad 2]]. I have an image of a rotated iPhone 4S if you want... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 14:04, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Something with an iPhone and the [[:File:Iptwiki.png|iPhone wiki logo]] from the main page would look good. I'll see if I can make one up. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:06, 17 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:why not the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_iOS.svg iOS logo]? --[[User:M2m|M2m]] 10:02, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I don't think we can use that because it's a copyrighted logo. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Agreed --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Mine requires a bit of [[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|extra CSS]] for it too look good. This can be added to [[Mediawiki:skin.css]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 17:59, 19 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:i have an iPhone 2G geohot! --[[User:Zmaster|Zmaster]] 12:08, 24 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Ok, I got something from @iSurenix. He says: "In case you don't like it, I can always fix it up etc. but I think it looks new, fresh and updated." -- [[User:Http|http]] 13:40, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Excellent! --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:54, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I think it blends into the background too much because the iPhone is white. Thats just my opinion thought. Otherwise I like it. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 16:18, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::Maybe a black one? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 17:14, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I got a resized version from him and uploaded it. Some Mediawiki documentation said ideal size is 135x135 (max 150x150). And about the white he commented: "I like how I've used the white iPhone. It's lie I've said "new and fresh". Not a lot places use white iPhones. Let alone in that specific position. I like it." (@iSurenix). -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:09, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::We could put a background behind the page if it's staying white... maybe the iOS textured background? [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:15, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|Here's the css]] for the textured background I was talking about. To try it, copy and paste this to your address bar: <tt>javascript:void(importStylesheet("User:thekirbylover/skin.css"))</tt> [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:I like both of these! The white one seems a bit more "professional" so that's nice, but the text is a little pale. They're both better than the existing logo though, so I'd be happy with either. [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:17, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Why isn't the p in iPhone capitalized? Otherwise, I like the white one. I also like the skin, if general consensus is change the skin I will do it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::He just updated to "iPhone" - new image uploaded. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:15, 6 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Thanks! Image has been changed --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
==== Proposed logos ====<br />
These are thumbnails, click on them to view in normal size.<br />
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File:thekirbylover's iPhone Wiki logo.png|[[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]]<br />
File:Theiphonewiki.png|{{twitter|iSurenix}}<br />
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=== Cydia links ===<br />
Links to Cydia, such as cydia://package/com.example.test, don't seem to wanna be linkified by the wiki, but there's an internal setting you can change: <tt>$wgUrlProtocols[] = "cydia://";</tt>. You might also want to use [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] to add a mini Cydia icon next to it. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:As for the ''localsettings.php'' change, this is [[user:geohot|geohot]]'s problem. As for the CSS change, we could use [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/91/Cydia.png/16px-Cydia.png Cydia.png@16px]. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Yep, I was gonna put that CSS in my [[User:thekirbylover/monobook.css]] after I posted that. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Monobook.css is used on Vector pages too. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I checked the source and the "/load.php?{CRAP}" are empty and for some reason, {{wp|Google Chrome}}'s "Inspect Element" show up styles... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:29, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::/skin.css is cross skin while /vector.css and /monobook.css are per-skin --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
Support added --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 20:04, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Theme===<br />
<s>Oh, also, can you please install the [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Gadgets|gadgets]] extension and add these pages:<br />
MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition <tt>* betatheme[ResourceLoader]|betatheme.css|betatheme.js</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme <tt>Beta theme (works best with the Vector theme)</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.css <tt>@import "/wiki/index.php?title=[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css]]&action=raw&ctype=text/css";</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.js <tt>importScript("[[User:thekirbylover/skin.js]]")</tt><br />
(or you can give me admin privileges and I'll take care of the mediawiki:gadget pages) [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 00:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)</s><br />
:Can't you just put the css in [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] and the js in [[Mediawiki:Common.js]]? It would make it so any admin can edit instead of just you, which might be better. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:25, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Yeah, I thought of that a while after I posted it. Though I'd still need admin privileges to edit them. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 15:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I'm happy to point the global CSS to your page, reading about Gadget now...though a global js you can edit, particularly one that imports offsite js, will require some persuading? :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried adding an import to the vector skin default css, didn't work. Still want me to do the gadget thing? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Add <tt>@import "//cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] and <tt>importScriptURI("//cdn.hbang.ws/js/iphonewiki.js");</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] - both links are to my site and should be live in a few minutes. Also, you'll want to look at allowing more database connections - I've been getting "This wiki has a problem - max_connections reached" a lot lately. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:50, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::css import still isn't working, did I do it right? External javascript is a security vuln, if there are really worthwhile things to be added in javascript(I don't really like the share buttons they add to everything these days, and wikipedia doesn't AJAX), then I'll add them directly on this site. I know about the database problem, looking into it now --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::CSS's live now - check [http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css] to see if it comes up. I believe the internal css files are cached by MediaWiki, so maybe try the @import line in Vector.css, then clear your cache, shift+click on refresh in Chrome and Firefox. <br />
:::::I'll remove the ajax/share js, though I still want to use js to make checkboxes into iOS switches, which could just be on [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:12, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Imports didn't work, no idea why, chrome didn't even try to load the imported css, so I pasted right in vector. Any downsides? And any way to give you edit rights to that page? I will e-mail about max_user_connections before I go to bed tonight, it's currently set at 15. It may also be time to move this wiki to a bigger server, my account gets CPU throttled all of the time(and as a result the page is a little slow), though I'm not sure where, this site gets about 2 qps. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 23:29, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::Theme's working now, must have just been the wiki caching it. Do a ctrl+click refresh to clear your cache; tap refresh then refresh again on mobile safari. Is the site on shared hosting or VPS? When I get my server running, I'll be happy to run it from here. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:34, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
I made a few minor tweaks to the CSS to resemble iOS 5 a little more (in browsers that have good CSS 3 support, anyways). I'll happily revert the changes if they're not well-received. (I think it looks better, but I am kinda biased on this. :P) And great job on the theme, guys! --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:58, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks ;) Your additions look cool, though I'm working on making the first heading look like a title bar on iOS. Also, looks like geohot put my css on [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]], which is now overriding the one on my server - can you please take it off and add <tt>@import "http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> so it loads from my server? (I'll include your changes to my css.) Or someone can make me a sysop so I can edit it myself. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Sure. I would like to keep everything on The iPhone Wiki though, so this may be a temporary thing until the theme feels complete and any kinks in the CSS are worked out. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:42, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried the import last night, it didn't work. External css is fine temporarily, external js is never allowed. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 12:27, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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I'd just like to throw my objection into the bucket here, because the new theme overwrote Vector and thus does not allow me to easily revert it. (MonoBook is the 500 year old wikipedia theme)<br />
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I also know someone who would gladly host this site so the database doesn't constantly time out, and has more open connections, for relatively low cost with good speed and uptime. If you'd like me to put you in touch geohot email me at my wiki username at gmail. --[[User:Acfrazier|Acfrazier]] 12:51, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Yea, an option for theme could be added. I'm trying to deal with the max_user_connections now, though hostmonster claims it was always 15. The whole thing is fishy, since php is single threaded and there are only 10 php processes running. If I move, it'll probably be to EC2, like $500 per year but I get to be root on the server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::At this point I'd be willing to pay for it, I've known this guy for ten years so I'd get a decent rate (we could probably get a dedicated so you'd have root). It's hard to do maintenance edits when it times out and this has been a problem for a few weeks that I've seen, that's why I haven't done much (but soon I'll have a lot of info to add). It's greatly upsetting that this entire wealth of information is here, but it's semi-inaccessible. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:09, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Yea, I'm digging into it now, it's only gotten bad recently. It looks like they messed with mysql on nov 22, 2011. It doesn't appear to be a bandwidth issue, it's a connection issue. For some reason, each php process is making two connections to the database. 10*2 = 20 > 15. Time to read some PHP, or figure out how to only launch 7 processes. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:18, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Well, my host suggested that you could use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:APC on his hosting and it'd give you a lot more breathing room. Most hosts limit you to 15 db connections (to prevent crashing the server with the 'slashdot effect' but hostgator's server is probably massively overloaded.) EC2 doesn't have good enough disk performance for database access. He told me he could have you moved today if you wanted to do it, I can get you in touch with him. The reason I primarily go with him is it's one to one, he runs his own stuff. If something comes up you have direct support. It's kind of hard being the middleman though, in my opinion he'd be worth talking to. (I'd appreciate it if you'd email me, with the timeout this is getting exceedingly hard to reply). --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:31, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::Error is hopefully fixed! Edited mediawiki to use mysql_pconnect instead of mysql_connect and limited db connections to one per process. I'll send you an e-mail tonight about possibly moving the site, although I'm going to do a little profiling here first, I've been with hostmonster for a while and overall they have been good. Currently I don't have a cache, looking into APC or memcached as a middle layer between the db and php(yay php-memcached-mysql just like facebook). --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:40, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Nope. Hot an error on last save. Hostinginsiders. $7 a month. CPanel. Full control over the server. Etc. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:25, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::I'm not particularly concerned with price as I am reliability, hence why I offered my host. (That's not to say he's expensive, but.. you get what you pay for.) It may be fixed, but page load times are still unnecessarily long. I look forward to your email, geohot. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 15:52, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Re the theme, geohot can go to the skins folder, copy Vector.php -> iPhone.php and rename the class names to say iPhone instead of Vector (but not the css files), then move [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] -> [[MediaWiki:Iphone.css]] and in LocalSettings.php, <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt>. Then there will be an option to go back to regular Vector. <br />
:With the slowdowns, it's probably 'cause MW 1.17 uses a load.php script (ResourceLoader) to combine css/js to be faster, but it also opens a new connection to the database to see what it can load from MediaWiki:Common.css, etc. I haven't run MW myself since 1.16, so I'm not entirely sure what to do there, but a cache extension should do the trick. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Also, geohot, Chrome Web inspector says there's no client-side caching, meaning images get re-downloaded every time. Try putting [http://pastie.org/3151957 this code] into a .htaccess file in the wiki folder. It'll force caching of files, especially the images in the background of the theme. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]]<br />
[[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:38, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I see 304s for the images. This resourceloader thing is annoying, even to send a 304 it has to load the damn php environment(i'm using fastcgi, but still) for each js and css file. The db errors are gone, but at the cost of performance. I enabled mw filecache, but it doesn't solve the problem. I believe the slowness is caused by the CPU throttling. I need a real server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 20:28, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
The new icon looks fantastic! I just have a minor issue with the new theme: the grey pinstripe background reduces readability of the text by some degree, with decreased contrast and the pattern of the pinstripes. Can I nominate the lighter grey color and more subtle pinstriping of tables (like "Contents" boxes) as the main text background color? I guess then the Contents boxes would be the same color, or even lighter, and that seems OK too. It'd be a little bit of a departure from Apple style, but I think it'd be a worthwhile change for a text-focused site. Thanks! [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:07, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I'm planning to put the page into boxes, like the Settings app, so that should make it easier to read. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::OK! I imagine that boxes might be visually distracting...but I'll comment on it when I see it. :) Also, the left sidebar seems to be white at the moment instead of linen-textured; I imagine that just means that an image link is temporarily broken or something? Might also be helpful to have a backup background color listed in the CSS? [[User:Britta|Britta]] 20:47, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I might actually just go with a gradient background like iPad settings, instead of using boxes. With the sidebar, not sure exactly what's happening there, I guess I forgot to add a backup color :/ [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 20:56, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename===<br />
I was wondering if you can install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Renameuser|Renameuser]] and make me an admin? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:21, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Installed, who do you want renamed? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I wanted to be renamed to 5urd. My twitter account name --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:16, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== MD Bootrom ===<br />
Editing the [[models]] page, I noticed that the new white [[iPod4,2|iPod touch 4]]s have MD bootroms. However, I'm not sure about the black models, so can someone with a black touch 4 bought after September please tell me which model is reported in Settings? Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:46, 22 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Those are not bootroms; those are model numbers. According to Apple's online store, the black iPod touch 4G still has the same "MC" model numbers as before. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:27, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Ah, I see. Thanks for checking. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 16:33, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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=== Slowness ===<br />
I've added a filecache to hopefully speed things up a bit, and I removed fastcgi. It's a bit more bearable now, post here if you feel otherwise. I believe the majority of the slowness is the CPU throttling of my webhost and PHP's love for eating up CPU. We'll see how it goes for the next few days. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 21:45, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thank you for everything! I do get this once-in-a-while though. (1 in 10 requests [not as bad as before]):<br />
HTTP Error 500 (Internal Server Error): An unexpected condition was encountered while the server was attempting to fulfill the request.<br />
:--[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 22:02, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I also get 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable sometimes. The worst I've gotten is a completely blank page, not even any html. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:24, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:It's back to normal again; usable, but incredibly slow, with sometimes timeouts or other errors. Do you have access logs over time periods? Maybe it's just the increased traffic. For example pod2g's blog links here, so that normal users read some stuff. And related to caching, I've set the option in Preferences to not cache the pages. That doesn't help, but I'm still suffering the Mobile Safari caching bug. (Just don't make it worse.) Mobile Safari caching bug: when on the Recent Changes page (showing up to date content), clicking on some diff to show the changes, doing nothing and press browser Back button goes back to Recent Changes page, but (sometimes) showing data that is days old. --[[User:Http|http]] 01:22, 9 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::(The Mobile Safari caching bug seems to be happening [https://www.google.com/search?q=iOS+5+safari+back+button+cache across many different sites].) [[User:Britta|Britta]] 05:42, 9 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Looking around the wiki, I noticed that I'll get a blank page if I visit a page that hasn't been visited since it was last edited (though I might be wrong), and the css (even the base vector css!) keeps going on-and-off. Geohot, have you tried the caching directions I [[#Theme|posted above]]? [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 07:39, 9 January 2012 (MST)<br />
Hostmonster upgraded me to a better server. Seems fast now. Yay hostmonster! --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 09:24, 10 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== 1.18 ===<br />
Mediawiki 1.18 is out and includes many security fixes. --[[User:balloonhead66|5urd]] 23:31, 8 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=23578The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-01-09T04:45:32Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== Corona Info ===<br />
We need to get Corona info integrated into the wiki. There's good info here: http://pod2g-ios.blogspot.com/2012/01/details-on-corona.html [[User:Beej|beej]] 21:54, 2 January 2012 (MST)beej<br />
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=== 2.2b1 ===<br />
Is 2.2b1 5G26 or 5G27, because on [[Beta Firmware]], it says 5G27... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 19:48, 6 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key pages ===<br />
I would like to propose a new rule: Do not create a key page (e.g.- [[Jasper 8C148 (iPad)]]) unless you can also provide at least one key. Key pages are meant to share decryption keys with others. Copying and pasting from a template page provides us with no information whatsoever, and also wastes time (both the poster's and the administrators'). Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:50, 4 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:I'm against that. While I agree we shouldn't create all empty pages to fill out later, I don't see any reason to have a rule for that. Or was that a problem recently and I missed it? I also created pages with very few content (like [[Siri]]), that other users picked up or hopefully will pick up and enhanced. Key pages are a little different though. And the page you reference was never empty (but had wrong keys initially). So if you feel a big need to have such a rule, go on. -- [[User:Http|http]] 05:06, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
::I was simply using that page as an example of a key page, for those that had no clue what I was talking about. I think that posting an article with little content is a bit different from an empty key page; at least a small amount of information is being provided. In addition, it's easier to tell whether a key page needs to be filled out or not if the key page's link is red because the page was never created. I'll wait for additional feedback from anybody else before I decide on whether or not to add this to the rules. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:31, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:::Ok --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 16:58, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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=== New Upper Left Image ===<br />
If someone has a good one, I'll change it. Who still has an iPhone 2G? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:11, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:[[:File:NewLogo.png]]? Problem is one like that doesnt scale well. Maybe a rotated (like this) image of an [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]] or an [[iPad 2]]. I have an image of a rotated iPhone 4S if you want... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 14:04, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Something with an iPhone and the [[:File:Iptwiki.png|iPhone wiki logo]] from the main page would look good. I'll see if I can make one up. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:06, 17 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:why not the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_iOS.svg iOS logo]? --[[User:M2m|M2m]] 10:02, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I don't think we can use that because it's a copyrighted logo. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Agreed --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Mine requires a bit of [[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|extra CSS]] for it too look good. This can be added to [[Mediawiki:skin.css]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 17:59, 19 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:i have an iPhone 2G geohot! --[[User:Zmaster|Zmaster]] 12:08, 24 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Ok, I got something from @iSurenix. He says: "In case you don't like it, I can always fix it up etc. but I think it looks new, fresh and updated." -- [[User:Http|http]] 13:40, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Excellent! --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:54, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I think it blends into the background too much because the iPhone is white. Thats just my opinion thought. Otherwise I like it. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 16:18, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::Maybe a black one? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 17:14, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I got a resized version from him and uploaded it. Some Mediawiki documentation said ideal size is 135x135 (max 150x150). And about the white he commented: "I like how I've used the white iPhone. It's lie I've said "new and fresh". Not a lot places use white iPhones. Let alone in that specific position. I like it." (@iSurenix). -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:09, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::We could put a background behind the page if it's staying white... maybe the iOS textured background? [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:15, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|Here's the css]] for the textured background I was talking about. To try it, copy and paste this to your address bar: <tt>javascript:void(importStylesheet("User:thekirbylover/skin.css"))</tt> [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:I like both of these! The white one seems a bit more "professional" so that's nice, but the text is a little pale. They're both better than the existing logo though, so I'd be happy with either. [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:17, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Why isn't the p in iPhone capitalized? Otherwise, I like the white one. I also like the skin, if general consensus is change the skin I will do it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::He just updated to "iPhone" - new image uploaded. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:15, 6 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Thanks! Image has been changed --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
==== Proposed logos ====<br />
These are thumbnails, click on them to view in normal size.<br />
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File:thekirbylover's iPhone Wiki logo.png|[[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]]<br />
File:Theiphonewiki.png|{{twitter|iSurenix}}<br />
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=== Cydia links ===<br />
Links to Cydia, such as cydia://package/com.example.test, don't seem to wanna be linkified by the wiki, but there's an internal setting you can change: <tt>$wgUrlProtocols[] = "cydia://";</tt>. You might also want to use [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] to add a mini Cydia icon next to it. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:As for the ''localsettings.php'' change, this is [[user:geohot|geohot]]'s problem. As for the CSS change, we could use [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/91/Cydia.png/16px-Cydia.png Cydia.png@16px]. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Yep, I was gonna put that CSS in my [[User:thekirbylover/monobook.css]] after I posted that. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Monobook.css is used on Vector pages too. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I checked the source and the "/load.php?{CRAP}" are empty and for some reason, {{wp|Google Chrome}}'s "Inspect Element" show up styles... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:29, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::/skin.css is cross skin while /vector.css and /monobook.css are per-skin --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
Support added --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 20:04, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Theme===<br />
<s>Oh, also, can you please install the [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Gadgets|gadgets]] extension and add these pages:<br />
MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition <tt>* betatheme[ResourceLoader]|betatheme.css|betatheme.js</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme <tt>Beta theme (works best with the Vector theme)</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.css <tt>@import "/wiki/index.php?title=[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css]]&action=raw&ctype=text/css";</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.js <tt>importScript("[[User:thekirbylover/skin.js]]")</tt><br />
(or you can give me admin privileges and I'll take care of the mediawiki:gadget pages) [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 00:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)</s><br />
:Can't you just put the css in [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] and the js in [[Mediawiki:Common.js]]? It would make it so any admin can edit instead of just you, which might be better. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:25, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Yeah, I thought of that a while after I posted it. Though I'd still need admin privileges to edit them. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 15:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I'm happy to point the global CSS to your page, reading about Gadget now...though a global js you can edit, particularly one that imports offsite js, will require some persuading? :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried adding an import to the vector skin default css, didn't work. Still want me to do the gadget thing? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Add <tt>@import "//cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] and <tt>importScriptURI("//cdn.hbang.ws/js/iphonewiki.js");</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] - both links are to my site and should be live in a few minutes. Also, you'll want to look at allowing more database connections - I've been getting "This wiki has a problem - max_connections reached" a lot lately. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:50, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::css import still isn't working, did I do it right? External javascript is a security vuln, if there are really worthwhile things to be added in javascript(I don't really like the share buttons they add to everything these days, and wikipedia doesn't AJAX), then I'll add them directly on this site. I know about the database problem, looking into it now --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::CSS's live now - check [http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css] to see if it comes up. I believe the internal css files are cached by MediaWiki, so maybe try the @import line in Vector.css, then clear your cache, shift+click on refresh in Chrome and Firefox. <br />
:::::I'll remove the ajax/share js, though I still want to use js to make checkboxes into iOS switches, which could just be on [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:12, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Imports didn't work, no idea why, chrome didn't even try to load the imported css, so I pasted right in vector. Any downsides? And any way to give you edit rights to that page? I will e-mail about max_user_connections before I go to bed tonight, it's currently set at 15. It may also be time to move this wiki to a bigger server, my account gets CPU throttled all of the time(and as a result the page is a little slow), though I'm not sure where, this site gets about 2 qps. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 23:29, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::Theme's working now, must have just been the wiki caching it. Do a ctrl+click refresh to clear your cache; tap refresh then refresh again on mobile safari. Is the site on shared hosting or VPS? When I get my server running, I'll be happy to run it from here. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:34, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
I made a few minor tweaks to the CSS to resemble iOS 5 a little more (in browsers that have good CSS 3 support, anyways). I'll happily revert the changes if they're not well-received. (I think it looks better, but I am kinda biased on this. :P) And great job on the theme, guys! --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:58, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks ;) Your additions look cool, though I'm working on making the first heading look like a title bar on iOS. Also, looks like geohot put my css on [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]], which is now overriding the one on my server - can you please take it off and add <tt>@import "http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> so it loads from my server? (I'll include your changes to my css.) Or someone can make me a sysop so I can edit it myself. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Sure. I would like to keep everything on The iPhone Wiki though, so this may be a temporary thing until the theme feels complete and any kinks in the CSS are worked out. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:42, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried the import last night, it didn't work. External css is fine temporarily, external js is never allowed. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 12:27, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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I'd just like to throw my objection into the bucket here, because the new theme overwrote Vector and thus does not allow me to easily revert it. (MonoBook is the 500 year old wikipedia theme)<br />
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I also know someone who would gladly host this site so the database doesn't constantly time out, and has more open connections, for relatively low cost with good speed and uptime. If you'd like me to put you in touch geohot email me at my wiki username at gmail. --[[User:Acfrazier|Acfrazier]] 12:51, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Yea, an option for theme could be added. I'm trying to deal with the max_user_connections now, though hostmonster claims it was always 15. The whole thing is fishy, since php is single threaded and there are only 10 php processes running. If I move, it'll probably be to EC2, like $500 per year but I get to be root on the server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::At this point I'd be willing to pay for it, I've known this guy for ten years so I'd get a decent rate (we could probably get a dedicated so you'd have root). It's hard to do maintenance edits when it times out and this has been a problem for a few weeks that I've seen, that's why I haven't done much (but soon I'll have a lot of info to add). It's greatly upsetting that this entire wealth of information is here, but it's semi-inaccessible. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:09, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Yea, I'm digging into it now, it's only gotten bad recently. It looks like they messed with mysql on nov 22, 2011. It doesn't appear to be a bandwidth issue, it's a connection issue. For some reason, each php process is making two connections to the database. 10*2 = 20 > 15. Time to read some PHP, or figure out how to only launch 7 processes. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:18, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Well, my host suggested that you could use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:APC on his hosting and it'd give you a lot more breathing room. Most hosts limit you to 15 db connections (to prevent crashing the server with the 'slashdot effect' but hostgator's server is probably massively overloaded.) EC2 doesn't have good enough disk performance for database access. He told me he could have you moved today if you wanted to do it, I can get you in touch with him. The reason I primarily go with him is it's one to one, he runs his own stuff. If something comes up you have direct support. It's kind of hard being the middleman though, in my opinion he'd be worth talking to. (I'd appreciate it if you'd email me, with the timeout this is getting exceedingly hard to reply). --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:31, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::Error is hopefully fixed! Edited mediawiki to use mysql_pconnect instead of mysql_connect and limited db connections to one per process. I'll send you an e-mail tonight about possibly moving the site, although I'm going to do a little profiling here first, I've been with hostmonster for a while and overall they have been good. Currently I don't have a cache, looking into APC or memcached as a middle layer between the db and php(yay php-memcached-mysql just like facebook). --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:40, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Nope. Hot an error on last save. Hostinginsiders. $7 a month. CPanel. Full control over the server. Etc. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:25, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::I'm not particularly concerned with price as I am reliability, hence why I offered my host. (That's not to say he's expensive, but.. you get what you pay for.) It may be fixed, but page load times are still unnecessarily long. I look forward to your email, geohot. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 15:52, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Re the theme, geohot can go to the skins folder, copy Vector.php -> iPhone.php and rename the class names to say iPhone instead of Vector (but not the css files), then move [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] -> [[MediaWiki:Iphone.css]] and in LocalSettings.php, <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt>. Then there will be an option to go back to regular Vector. <br />
:With the slowdowns, it's probably 'cause MW 1.17 uses a load.php script (ResourceLoader) to combine css/js to be faster, but it also opens a new connection to the database to see what it can load from MediaWiki:Common.css, etc. I haven't run MW myself since 1.16, so I'm not entirely sure what to do there, but a cache extension should do the trick. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Also, geohot, Chrome Web inspector says there's no client-side caching, meaning images get re-downloaded every time. Try putting [http://pastie.org/3151957 this code] into a .htaccess file in the wiki folder. It'll force caching of files, especially the images in the background of the theme. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]]<br />
[[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:38, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I see 304s for the images. This resourceloader thing is annoying, even to send a 304 it has to load the damn php environment(i'm using fastcgi, but still) for each js and css file. The db errors are gone, but at the cost of performance. I enabled mw filecache, but it doesn't solve the problem. I believe the slowness is caused by the CPU throttling. I need a real server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 20:28, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
The new icon looks fantastic! I just have a minor issue with the new theme: the grey pinstripe background reduces readability of the text by some degree, with decreased contrast and the pattern of the pinstripes. Can I nominate the lighter grey color and more subtle pinstriping of tables (like "Contents" boxes) as the main text background color? I guess then the Contents boxes would be the same color, or even lighter, and that seems OK too. It'd be a little bit of a departure from Apple style, but I think it'd be a worthwhile change for a text-focused site. Thanks! [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:07, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I'm planning to put the page into boxes, like the Settings app, so that should make it easier to read. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::OK! I imagine that boxes might be visually distracting...but I'll comment on it when I see it. :) Also, the left sidebar seems to be white at the moment instead of linen-textured; I imagine that just means that an image link is temporarily broken or something? Might also be helpful to have a backup background color listed in the CSS? [[User:Britta|Britta]] 20:47, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I might actually just go with a gradient background like iPad settings, instead of using boxes. With the sidebar, not sure exactly what's happening there, I guess I forgot to add a backup color :/ [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 20:56, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename===<br />
I was wondering if you can install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Renameuser|Renameuser]] and make me an admin? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:21, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Installed, who do you want renamed? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I wanted to be renamed to 5urd. My twitter account name --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:16, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== MD Bootrom ===<br />
Editing the [[models]] page, I noticed that the new white [[iPod4,2|iPod touch 4]]s have MD bootroms. However, I'm not sure about the black models, so can someone with a black touch 4 bought after September please tell me which model is reported in Settings? Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:46, 22 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Those are not bootroms; those are model numbers. According to Apple's online store, the black iPod touch 4G still has the same "MC" model numbers as before. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:27, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Ah, I see. Thanks for checking. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 16:33, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Slowness==<br />
*I've added a filecache to hopefully speed things up a bit, and I removed fastcgi. It's a bit more bearable now, post here if you feel otherwise. I believe the majority of the slowness is the CPU throttling of my webhost and PHP's love for eating up CPU. We'll see how it goes for the next few days. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 21:45, 8 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dialexio&diff=23577User talk:Dialexio2012-01-09T04:38:53Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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==Baseband Help==<br />
hey i need help {{unsigned|Leobruh|03:35, March 29, 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
:with...? {{unsigned|Gojohnnyboi|04:00, March 29, 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
::im trying to learn how to find baseband exploits but i need some PC friendly tools to find those baseband exploits [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]]!<br />
:::I can't help you there, sorry. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:06, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Rant deletion==<br />
alright i agree with what u did. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 04:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)!<br />
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==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for curating this wiki by wikifying paragraphs and adding tons of relevant, accurate, and grammatically correct info. :) [[User:Iemit737|Iemit737]] 01:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! You've done a pretty amazing job also. :D --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 02:50, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Presentation links==<br />
Thanks for adding those HQ torrent links, probably better than my FLV anyway ;) [[User:MaybachMan|MaybachMan]] 22:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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... And once again for the Bluetooth additions. I'll shut up now ;) [[User:MaybachMan|MaybachMan]] 22:14, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Beta Firmwares==<br />
should we start a beta firmwares page that contains a table with release dates, baseband versions, and iboot versions but without links? It might be interesting for reference purposes, and a good way to link to the decryption keys. [[User:Iemit737|Iemit737]] 03:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I suppose this could be done (at [[Firmware/Beta]]?). I don't think hashes should be provided, though. A hash will probably only serve to help idiots pirate, verify, and install a beta firmware. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 04:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Sysop Status==<br />
You are now a sysop. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks geohot! I'll be sure to do the best I can. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Q==<br />
idc if the link is there or not<br />
u can C&P my paragraph to keep people informed [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 05:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)!<br />
:What do you mean with Q, idc, C&P? Ah, and yes, I agree that he deleted the advertisement page you made. It doesn't really belong into this wiki and the page had no content except the link to your blog. -- [[User:Http|http]] 10:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::C&P is copy and paste :P if i just copy my post will that be okay? [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 17:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)!<br />
::: I feel that there isn't much (if anything) to be concerned about, so I don't believe the article is needed. Those are just my thoughts, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== likes ==<br />
i like you --[[User:Ifish|Ifish]] 03:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)ifish<br />
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== :) ==<br />
You're awesome! --[[User:desertsn0w|desertsn0w]] 17:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Twitter ==<br />
Hey since weve had problems here, I sent you a Twitter request because we sortove know eachother. :D [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Birthday ==<br />
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happy birthday [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! ^_^ --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Happy Birthday Buddy! <3 --[[User:Ifish|Ifish]] 18:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)ifish<br />
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== Signing posts ==<br />
Sorry if you get upse while seeing unsigned posts. I try my best -- Balloonhead66| 23:58, October 8, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I am not amused. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 00:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::OK, I did that on accident, but when you are also updating a page with a lot of posting like [[Talk:Limera1n|Limera1n Talk]] It is hard because 1 second could be the differance between yours getting accepted and another person beating you to the save button, sorry :( [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==PNG to IMG3==<br />
Hey, Why did you remove my project PNG TO IMG3 Thanks --[[User:Seifhatem|Seifhatem]] 20:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:There was no link to the program, and we've had some problems in the past when it came to program pages on The iPhone Wiki. If you feel your program is notable enough to be on the wiki, drop a note in the [[The iPhone Wiki:Community Portal|community portal]], and then any active community members will decide. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I don't get why it is in the [[VFDecrypt]] section if it deals with PNG's and IMG3's as [[VFDecrypt]] only deals with FileVault encrypted files... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Please see also the [[:Category:GUI Tools|new rules]] for such tools in this wiki. --[[User:Http|http]] 00:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::there was a 4shared link for the program and i wrote credits for img3decrypt someone changed it to vfdecrypt i didn't announce before i release it.--[[User:Seifhatem|Seifhatem]] 13:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I apologize for hastily calling the program vaporware. The download link wasn't made available on the page, just the VFDecrypt page (on which it didn't quite belong, as Balloonhead66 mentioned). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::[http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=VFDecrypt&diff=prev&oldid=15965 this edit] to [[VFDecrypt]] says that is is coded on VFDevcrypt, '''NOT''' img3decrypt {{unsigned|Balloonhead66|20:11, February 11, 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
:::The PNG to IMG3 page stated it was based on img3decrypt. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I get that, but the edit said VFDecrypt, so it is confusing. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Messed up emails ==<br />
Why did you hide you email in some stuff. Is it to prevent spam? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 17:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yup. Spam bots will have a lot of fun trying to read the source code. ;) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 17:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Makes sense. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 17:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Advanced spam bots just filter that stuff away, and even better ones also the visible:none parts, so you're not totally safe. Just as a warning. -- [[User:Http|http]] 19:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I never expected it to be fool-proof. :P Oh well. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Password ==<br />
For the only user I created so far I have set a temp password, but he already changed it before I gave it to him, so I think we don't need to request a temp password, just set something. -- [[User:Http|http]] 19:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== GenPass ==<br />
You said to try it out yourself, but I don't have GenPass compiled and MinGW or Visual Studio won't compile it for me. Do you have a copy? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:54, 16 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Nope. It should compile fine in a Linux VM, though. But take my word for it, the "x" is needed to get the correct VFDecrypt key. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:26, 16 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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==CSS Change==<br />
In chrome the bottom and sidebar are white and the side text is unreadable --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 21:02, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Sorry about that; I didn't pay enough attention to the CSS that was deleted. The links are readable once more, but the logo reflection in WebKit browsers is a bit off. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:36, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::No problem, spotted the unmatched brace at the same time, went to edit, and saw it'd been fixed. At least I understand MW css a bit better. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 21:38, 8 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dialexio&diff=23576User talk:Dialexio2012-01-09T04:38:46Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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==Baseband Help==<br />
hey i need help {{unsigned|Leobruh|03:35, March 29, 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
:with...? {{unsigned|Gojohnnyboi|04:00, March 29, 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
::im trying to learn how to find baseband exploits but i need some PC friendly tools to find those baseband exploits [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]]!<br />
:::I can't help you there, sorry. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:06, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Rant deletion==<br />
alright i agree with what u did. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 04:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)!<br />
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==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for curating this wiki by wikifying paragraphs and adding tons of relevant, accurate, and grammatically correct info. :) [[User:Iemit737|Iemit737]] 01:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! You've done a pretty amazing job also. :D --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 02:50, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Presentation links==<br />
Thanks for adding those HQ torrent links, probably better than my FLV anyway ;) [[User:MaybachMan|MaybachMan]] 22:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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... And once again for the Bluetooth additions. I'll shut up now ;) [[User:MaybachMan|MaybachMan]] 22:14, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Beta Firmwares==<br />
should we start a beta firmwares page that contains a table with release dates, baseband versions, and iboot versions but without links? It might be interesting for reference purposes, and a good way to link to the decryption keys. [[User:Iemit737|Iemit737]] 03:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I suppose this could be done (at [[Firmware/Beta]]?). I don't think hashes should be provided, though. A hash will probably only serve to help idiots pirate, verify, and install a beta firmware. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 04:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Sysop Status==<br />
You are now a sysop. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks geohot! I'll be sure to do the best I can. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Q==<br />
idc if the link is there or not<br />
u can C&P my paragraph to keep people informed [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 05:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)!<br />
:What do you mean with Q, idc, C&P? Ah, and yes, I agree that he deleted the advertisement page you made. It doesn't really belong into this wiki and the page had no content except the link to your blog. -- [[User:Http|http]] 10:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::C&P is copy and paste :P if i just copy my post will that be okay? [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 17:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)!<br />
::: I feel that there isn't much (if anything) to be concerned about, so I don't believe the article is needed. Those are just my thoughts, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== likes ==<br />
i like you --[[User:Ifish|Ifish]] 03:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)ifish<br />
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== :) ==<br />
You're awesome! --[[User:desertsn0w|desertsn0w]] 17:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Twitter ==<br />
Hey since weve had problems here, I sent you a Twitter request because we sortove know eachother. :D [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Birthday ==<br />
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happy birthday [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! ^_^ --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Happy Birthday Buddy! <3 --[[User:Ifish|Ifish]] 18:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)ifish<br />
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== Signing posts ==<br />
Sorry if you get upse while seeing unsigned posts. I try my best -- Balloonhead66| 23:58, October 8, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I am not amused. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 00:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::OK, I did that on accident, but when you are also updating a page with a lot of posting like [[Talk:Limera1n|Limera1n Talk]] It is hard because 1 second could be the differance between yours getting accepted and another person beating you to the save button, sorry :( [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==PNG to IMG3==<br />
Hey, Why did you remove my project PNG TO IMG3 Thanks --[[User:Seifhatem|Seifhatem]] 20:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:There was no link to the program, and we've had some problems in the past when it came to program pages on The iPhone Wiki. If you feel your program is notable enough to be on the wiki, drop a note in the [[The iPhone Wiki:Community Portal|community portal]], and then any active community members will decide. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I don't get why it is in the [[VFDecrypt]] section if it deals with PNG's and IMG3's as [[VFDecrypt]] only deals with FileVault encrypted files... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Please see also the [[:Category:GUI Tools|new rules]] for such tools in this wiki. --[[User:Http|http]] 00:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::there was a 4shared link for the program and i wrote credits for img3decrypt someone changed it to vfdecrypt i didn't announce before i release it.--[[User:Seifhatem|Seifhatem]] 13:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I apologize for hastily calling the program vaporware. The download link wasn't made available on the page, just the VFDecrypt page (on which it didn't quite belong, as Balloonhead66 mentioned). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::[http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=VFDecrypt&diff=prev&oldid=15965 this edit] to [[VFDecrypt]] says that is is coded on VFDevcrypt, '''NOT''' img3decrypt {{unsigned|Balloonhead66|20:11, February 11, 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
:::The PNG to IMG3 page stated it was based on img3decrypt. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I get that, but the edit said VFDecrypt, so it is confusing. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Messed up emails ==<br />
Why did you hide you email in some stuff. Is it to prevent spam? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 17:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yup. Spam bots will have a lot of fun trying to read the source code. ;) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 17:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Makes sense. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 17:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Advanced spam bots just filter that stuff away, and even better ones also the visible:none parts, so you're not totally safe. Just as a warning. -- [[User:Http|http]] 19:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I never expected it to be fool-proof. :P Oh well. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Password ==<br />
For the only user I created so far I have set a temp password, but he already changed it before I gave it to him, so I think we don't need to request a temp password, just set something. -- [[User:Http|http]] 19:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== GenPass ==<br />
You said to try it out yourself, but I don't have GenPass compiled and MinGW or Visual Studio won't compile it for me. Do you have a copy? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:54, 16 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Nope. It should compile fine in a Linux VM, though. But take my word for it, the "x" is needed to get the correct VFDecrypt key. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:26, 16 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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==CSS Change==<br />
In chrome the bottom and sidebar are white and the side text is unreadable --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 21:02, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Sorry about that; I didn't pay enough attention to the CSS that was deleted. The links are readable once more, but the logo reflection in WebKit browsers is a bit off. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:36, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::No problem, spotted the missing brace at the same time, went to edit, and saw it'd been fixed. At least I understand MW css a bit better. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 21:38, 8 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dialexio&diff=23570User talk:Dialexio2012-01-09T04:02:14Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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==Baseband Help==<br />
hey i need help {{unsigned|Leobruh|03:35, March 29, 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
:with...? {{unsigned|Gojohnnyboi|04:00, March 29, 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
::im trying to learn how to find baseband exploits but i need some PC friendly tools to find those baseband exploits [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]]!<br />
:::I can't help you there, sorry. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:06, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Rant deletion==<br />
alright i agree with what u did. [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 04:39, 3 July 2010 (UTC)!<br />
<br />
==Thanks==<br />
Thanks for curating this wiki by wikifying paragraphs and adding tons of relevant, accurate, and grammatically correct info. :) [[User:Iemit737|Iemit737]] 01:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! You've done a pretty amazing job also. :D --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 02:50, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Presentation links==<br />
Thanks for adding those HQ torrent links, probably better than my FLV anyway ;) [[User:MaybachMan|MaybachMan]] 22:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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... And once again for the Bluetooth additions. I'll shut up now ;) [[User:MaybachMan|MaybachMan]] 22:14, 14 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Beta Firmwares==<br />
should we start a beta firmwares page that contains a table with release dates, baseband versions, and iboot versions but without links? It might be interesting for reference purposes, and a good way to link to the decryption keys. [[User:Iemit737|Iemit737]] 03:53, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I suppose this could be done (at [[Firmware/Beta]]?). I don't think hashes should be provided, though. A hash will probably only serve to help idiots pirate, verify, and install a beta firmware. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 04:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Sysop Status==<br />
You are now a sysop. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 15:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks geohot! I'll be sure to do the best I can. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Q==<br />
idc if the link is there or not<br />
u can C&P my paragraph to keep people informed [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 05:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)!<br />
:What do you mean with Q, idc, C&P? Ah, and yes, I agree that he deleted the advertisement page you made. It doesn't really belong into this wiki and the page had no content except the link to your blog. -- [[User:Http|http]] 10:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
::C&P is copy and paste :P if i just copy my post will that be okay? [[User:Leobruh|Leobruh]] 17:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)!<br />
::: I feel that there isn't much (if anything) to be concerned about, so I don't believe the article is needed. Those are just my thoughts, though. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== likes ==<br />
i like you --[[User:Ifish|Ifish]] 03:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)ifish<br />
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== :) ==<br />
You're awesome! --[[User:desertsn0w|desertsn0w]] 17:57, 5 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Twitter ==<br />
Hey since weve had problems here, I sent you a Twitter request because we sortove know eachother. :D [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Birthday ==<br />
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happy birthday [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks! ^_^ --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 23:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Happy Birthday Buddy! <3 --[[User:Ifish|Ifish]] 18:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)ifish<br />
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== Signing posts ==<br />
Sorry if you get upse while seeing unsigned posts. I try my best -- Balloonhead66| 23:58, October 8, 2010 (UTC)<br />
:I am not amused. :P --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 00:02, 9 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
::OK, I did that on accident, but when you are also updating a page with a lot of posting like [[Talk:Limera1n|Limera1n Talk]] It is hard because 1 second could be the differance between yours getting accepted and another person beating you to the save button, sorry :( [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==PNG to IMG3==<br />
Hey, Why did you remove my project PNG TO IMG3 Thanks --[[User:Seifhatem|Seifhatem]] 20:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:There was no link to the program, and we've had some problems in the past when it came to program pages on The iPhone Wiki. If you feel your program is notable enough to be on the wiki, drop a note in the [[The iPhone Wiki:Community Portal|community portal]], and then any active community members will decide. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I don't get why it is in the [[VFDecrypt]] section if it deals with PNG's and IMG3's as [[VFDecrypt]] only deals with FileVault encrypted files... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Please see also the [[:Category:GUI Tools|new rules]] for such tools in this wiki. --[[User:Http|http]] 00:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::there was a 4shared link for the program and i wrote credits for img3decrypt someone changed it to vfdecrypt i didn't announce before i release it.--[[User:Seifhatem|Seifhatem]] 13:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:I apologize for hastily calling the program vaporware. The download link wasn't made available on the page, just the VFDecrypt page (on which it didn't quite belong, as Balloonhead66 mentioned). --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 15:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::[http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=VFDecrypt&diff=prev&oldid=15965 this edit] to [[VFDecrypt]] says that is is coded on VFDevcrypt, '''NOT''' img3decrypt {{unsigned|Balloonhead66|20:11, February 11, 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
:::The PNG to IMG3 page stated it was based on img3decrypt. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I get that, but the edit said VFDecrypt, so it is confusing. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 20:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Messed up emails ==<br />
Why did you hide you email in some stuff. Is it to prevent spam? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 17:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Yup. Spam bots will have a lot of fun trying to read the source code. ;) --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 17:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::Makes sense. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 17:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Advanced spam bots just filter that stuff away, and even better ones also the visible:none parts, so you're not totally safe. Just as a warning. -- [[User:Http|http]] 19:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
::::I never expected it to be fool-proof. :P Oh well. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Password ==<br />
For the only user I created so far I have set a temp password, but he already changed it before I gave it to him, so I think we don't need to request a temp password, just set something. -- [[User:Http|http]] 19:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
:Got it. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 20:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== GenPass ==<br />
You said to try it out yourself, but I don't have GenPass compiled and MinGW or Visual Studio won't compile it for me. Do you have a copy? --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:54, 16 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Nope. It should compile fine in a Linux VM, though. But take my word for it, the "x" is needed to get the correct VFDecrypt key. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 19:26, 16 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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==CSS Change==<br />
In chrome the bottom and sidebar are white and the side text is unreadable --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 21:02, 8 January 2012 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=23567The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-01-09T03:28:55Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== Corona Info ===<br />
We need to get Corona info integrated into the wiki. There's good info here: http://pod2g-ios.blogspot.com/2012/01/details-on-corona.html [[User:Beej|beej]] 21:54, 2 January 2012 (MST)beej<br />
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=== 2.2b1 ===<br />
Is 2.2b1 5G26 or 5G27, because on [[Beta Firmware]], it says 5G27... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 19:48, 6 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key pages ===<br />
I would like to propose a new rule: Do not create a key page (e.g.- [[Jasper 8C148 (iPad)]]) unless you can also provide at least one key. Key pages are meant to share decryption keys with others. Copying and pasting from a template page provides us with no information whatsoever, and also wastes time (both the poster's and the administrators'). Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:50, 4 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:I'm against that. While I agree we shouldn't create all empty pages to fill out later, I don't see any reason to have a rule for that. Or was that a problem recently and I missed it? I also created pages with very few content (like [[Siri]]), that other users picked up or hopefully will pick up and enhanced. Key pages are a little different though. And the page you reference was never empty (but had wrong keys initially). So if you feel a big need to have such a rule, go on. -- [[User:Http|http]] 05:06, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
::I was simply using that page as an example of a key page, for those that had no clue what I was talking about. I think that posting an article with little content is a bit different from an empty key page; at least a small amount of information is being provided. In addition, it's easier to tell whether a key page needs to be filled out or not if the key page's link is red because the page was never created. I'll wait for additional feedback from anybody else before I decide on whether or not to add this to the rules. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:31, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:::Ok --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 16:58, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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=== New Upper Left Image ===<br />
If someone has a good one, I'll change it. Who still has an iPhone 2G? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:11, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:[[:File:NewLogo.png]]? Problem is one like that doesnt scale well. Maybe a rotated (like this) image of an [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]] or an [[iPad 2]]. I have an image of a rotated iPhone 4S if you want... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 14:04, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Something with an iPhone and the [[:File:Iptwiki.png|iPhone wiki logo]] from the main page would look good. I'll see if I can make one up. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:06, 17 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:why not the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_iOS.svg iOS logo]? --[[User:M2m|M2m]] 10:02, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I don't think we can use that because it's a copyrighted logo. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Agreed --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Mine requires a bit of [[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|extra CSS]] for it too look good. This can be added to [[Mediawiki:skin.css]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 17:59, 19 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:i have an iPhone 2G geohot! --[[User:Zmaster|Zmaster]] 12:08, 24 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Ok, I got something from @iSurenix. He says: "In case you don't like it, I can always fix it up etc. but I think it looks new, fresh and updated." -- [[User:Http|http]] 13:40, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Excellent! --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:54, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I think it blends into the background too much because the iPhone is white. Thats just my opinion thought. Otherwise I like it. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 16:18, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::Maybe a black one? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 17:14, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I got a resized version from him and uploaded it. Some Mediawiki documentation said ideal size is 135x135 (max 150x150). And about the white he commented: "I like how I've used the white iPhone. It's lie I've said "new and fresh". Not a lot places use white iPhones. Let alone in that specific position. I like it." (@iSurenix). -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:09, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::We could put a background behind the page if it's staying white... maybe the iOS textured background? [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:15, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|Here's the css]] for the textured background I was talking about. To try it, copy and paste this to your address bar: <tt>javascript:void(importStylesheet("User:thekirbylover/skin.css"))</tt> [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:I like both of these! The white one seems a bit more "professional" so that's nice, but the text is a little pale. They're both better than the existing logo though, so I'd be happy with either. [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:17, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Why isn't the p in iPhone capitalized? Otherwise, I like the white one. I also like the skin, if general consensus is change the skin I will do it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::He just updated to "iPhone" - new image uploaded. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:15, 6 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Thanks! Image has been changed --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
==== Proposed logos ====<br />
These are thumbnails, click on them to view in normal size.<br />
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File:thekirbylover's iPhone Wiki logo.png|[[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]]<br />
File:Theiphonewiki.png|{{twitter|iSurenix}}<br />
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=== Cydia links ===<br />
Links to Cydia, such as cydia://package/com.example.test, don't seem to wanna be linkified by the wiki, but there's an internal setting you can change: <tt>$wgUrlProtocols[] = "cydia://";</tt>. You might also want to use [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] to add a mini Cydia icon next to it. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:As for the ''localsettings.php'' change, this is [[user:geohot|geohot]]'s problem. As for the CSS change, we could use [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/91/Cydia.png/16px-Cydia.png Cydia.png@16px]. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Yep, I was gonna put that CSS in my [[User:thekirbylover/monobook.css]] after I posted that. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Monobook.css is used on Vector pages too. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I checked the source and the "/load.php?{CRAP}" are empty and for some reason, {{wp|Google Chrome}}'s "Inspect Element" show up styles... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:29, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::/skin.css is cross skin while /vector.css and /monobook.css are per-skin --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
Support added --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 20:04, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Theme===<br />
<s>Oh, also, can you please install the [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Gadgets|gadgets]] extension and add these pages:<br />
MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition <tt>* betatheme[ResourceLoader]|betatheme.css|betatheme.js</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme <tt>Beta theme (works best with the Vector theme)</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.css <tt>@import "/wiki/index.php?title=[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css]]&action=raw&ctype=text/css";</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.js <tt>importScript("[[User:thekirbylover/skin.js]]")</tt><br />
(or you can give me admin privileges and I'll take care of the mediawiki:gadget pages) [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 00:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)</s><br />
:Can't you just put the css in [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] and the js in [[Mediawiki:Common.js]]? It would make it so any admin can edit instead of just you, which might be better. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:25, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Yeah, I thought of that a while after I posted it. Though I'd still need admin privileges to edit them. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 15:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I'm happy to point the global CSS to your page, reading about Gadget now...though a global js you can edit, particularly one that imports offsite js, will require some persuading? :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried adding an import to the vector skin default css, didn't work. Still want me to do the gadget thing? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Add <tt>@import "//cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] and <tt>importScriptURI("//cdn.hbang.ws/js/iphonewiki.js");</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] - both links are to my site and should be live in a few minutes. Also, you'll want to look at allowing more database connections - I've been getting "This wiki has a problem - max_connections reached" a lot lately. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:50, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::css import still isn't working, did I do it right? External javascript is a security vuln, if there are really worthwhile things to be added in javascript(I don't really like the share buttons they add to everything these days, and wikipedia doesn't AJAX), then I'll add them directly on this site. I know about the database problem, looking into it now --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::CSS's live now - check [http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css] to see if it comes up. I believe the internal css files are cached by MediaWiki, so maybe try the @import line in Vector.css, then clear your cache, shift+click on refresh in Chrome and Firefox. <br />
:::::I'll remove the ajax/share js, though I still want to use js to make checkboxes into iOS switches, which could just be on [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:12, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Imports didn't work, no idea why, chrome didn't even try to load the imported css, so I pasted right in vector. Any downsides? And any way to give you edit rights to that page? I will e-mail about max_user_connections before I go to bed tonight, it's currently set at 15. It may also be time to move this wiki to a bigger server, my account gets CPU throttled all of the time(and as a result the page is a little slow), though I'm not sure where, this site gets about 2 qps. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 23:29, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::Theme's working now, must have just been the wiki caching it. Do a ctrl+click refresh to clear your cache; tap refresh then refresh again on mobile safari. Is the site on shared hosting or VPS? When I get my server running, I'll be happy to run it from here. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:34, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
I made a few minor tweaks to the CSS to resemble iOS 5 a little more (in browsers that have good CSS 3 support, anyways). I'll happily revert the changes if they're not well-received. (I think it looks better, but I am kinda biased on this. :P) And great job on the theme, guys! --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:58, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks ;) Your additions look cool, though I'm working on making the first heading look like a title bar on iOS. Also, looks like geohot put my css on [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]], which is now overriding the one on my server - can you please take it off and add <tt>@import "http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> so it loads from my server? (I'll include your changes to my css.) Or someone can make me a sysop so I can edit it myself. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Sure. I would like to keep everything on The iPhone Wiki though, so this may be a temporary thing until the theme feels complete and any kinks in the CSS are worked out. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:42, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried the import last night, it didn't work. External css is fine temporarily, external js is never allowed. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 12:27, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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I'd just like to throw my objection into the bucket here, because the new theme overwrote Vector and thus does not allow me to easily revert it. (MonoBook is the 500 year old wikipedia theme)<br />
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I also know someone who would gladly host this site so the database doesn't constantly time out, and has more open connections, for relatively low cost with good speed and uptime. If you'd like me to put you in touch geohot email me at my wiki username at gmail. --[[User:Acfrazier|Acfrazier]] 12:51, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Yea, an option for theme could be added. I'm trying to deal with the max_user_connections now, though hostmonster claims it was always 15. The whole thing is fishy, since php is single threaded and there are only 10 php processes running. If I move, it'll probably be to EC2, like $500 per year but I get to be root on the server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::At this point I'd be willing to pay for it, I've known this guy for ten years so I'd get a decent rate (we could probably get a dedicated so you'd have root). It's hard to do maintenance edits when it times out and this has been a problem for a few weeks that I've seen, that's why I haven't done much (but soon I'll have a lot of info to add). It's greatly upsetting that this entire wealth of information is here, but it's semi-inaccessible. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:09, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Yea, I'm digging into it now, it's only gotten bad recently. It looks like they messed with mysql on nov 22, 2011. It doesn't appear to be a bandwidth issue, it's a connection issue. For some reason, each php process is making two connections to the database. 10*2 = 20 > 15. Time to read some PHP, or figure out how to only launch 7 processes. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:18, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Well, my host suggested that you could use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:APC on his hosting and it'd give you a lot more breathing room. Most hosts limit you to 15 db connections (to prevent crashing the server with the 'slashdot effect' but hostgator's server is probably massively overloaded.) EC2 doesn't have good enough disk performance for database access. He told me he could have you moved today if you wanted to do it, I can get you in touch with him. The reason I primarily go with him is it's one to one, he runs his own stuff. If something comes up you have direct support. It's kind of hard being the middleman though, in my opinion he'd be worth talking to. (I'd appreciate it if you'd email me, with the timeout this is getting exceedingly hard to reply). --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:31, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::Error is hopefully fixed! Edited mediawiki to use mysql_pconnect instead of mysql_connect and limited db connections to one per process. I'll send you an e-mail tonight about possibly moving the site, although I'm going to do a little profiling here first, I've been with hostmonster for a while and overall they have been good. Currently I don't have a cache, looking into APC or memcached as a middle layer between the db and php(yay php-memcached-mysql just like facebook). --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:40, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Nope. Hot an error on last save. Hostinginsiders. $7 a month. CPanel. Full control over the server. Etc. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:25, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::I'm not particularly concerned with price as I am reliability, hence why I offered my host. (That's not to say he's expensive, but.. you get what you pay for.) It may be fixed, but page load times are still unnecessarily long. I look forward to your email, geohot. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 15:52, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Re the theme, geohot can go to the skins folder, copy Vector.php -> iPhone.php and rename the class names to say iPhone instead of Vector (but not the css files), then move [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] -> [[MediaWiki:Iphone.css]] and in LocalSettings.php, <tt>$wgDefaultSkin="iphone";</tt>. Then there will be an option to go back to regular Vector. <br />
:With the slowdowns, it's probably 'cause MW 1.17 uses a load.php script (ResourceLoader) to combine css/js to be faster, but it also opens a new connection to the database to see what it can load from MediaWiki:Common.css, etc. I haven't run MW myself since 1.16, so I'm not entirely sure what to do there, but a cache extension should do the trick. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Also, geohot, Chrome Web inspector says there's no client-side caching, meaning images get re-downloaded every time. Try putting [http://pastie.org/3151957 this code] into a .htaccess file in the wiki folder. It'll force caching of files, especially the images in the background of the theme. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]]<br />
[[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:38, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I see 304s for the images. This resourceloader thing is annoying, even to send a 304 it has to load the damn php environment(i'm using fastcgi, but still) for each js and css file. The db errors are gone, but at the cost of performance. I enabled mw filecache, but it doesn't solve the problem. I believe the slowness is caused by the CPU throttling. I need a real server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 20:28, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
The new icon looks fantastic! I just have a minor issue with the new theme: the grey pinstripe background reduces readability of the text by some degree, with decreased contrast and the pattern of the pinstripes. Can I nominate the lighter grey color and more subtle pinstriping of tables (like "Contents" boxes) as the main text background color? I guess then the Contents boxes would be the same color, or even lighter, and that seems OK too. It'd be a little bit of a departure from Apple style, but I think it'd be a worthwhile change for a text-focused site. Thanks! [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:07, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:I'm planning to put the page into boxes, like the Settings app, so that should make it easier to read. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename===<br />
I was wondering if you can install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Renameuser|Renameuser]] and make me an admin? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:21, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Installed, who do you want renamed? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::I wanted to be renamed to 5urd. My twitter account name --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:16, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== MD Bootrom ===<br />
Editing the [[models]] page, I noticed that the new white [[iPod4,2|iPod touch 4]]s have MD bootroms. However, I'm not sure about the black models, so can someone with a black touch 4 bought after September please tell me which model is reported in Settings? Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:46, 22 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Those are not bootroms; those are model numbers. According to Apple's online store, the black iPod touch 4G still has the same "MC" model numbers as before. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:27, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Ah, I see. Thanks for checking. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 16:33, 23 December 2011 (MST)</div>Geohothttps://www.theiphonewiki.com/w/index.php?title=The_iPhone_Wiki:Community_portal&diff=23552The iPhone Wiki:Community portal2012-01-08T20:40:16Z<p>Geohot: </p>
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<div>{{Talk Archive|2010|2011|2012}}<br />
This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.<br />
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== Site Related Requests ==<br />
=== Corona Info ===<br />
We need to get Corona info integrated into the wiki. There's good info here: http://pod2g-ios.blogspot.com/2012/01/details-on-corona.html [[User:Beej|beej]] 21:54, 2 January 2012 (MST)beej<br />
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=== 2.2b1 ===<br />
Is 2.2b1 5G26 or 5G27, because on [[Beta Firmware]], it says 5G27... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 19:48, 6 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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=== Key pages ===<br />
I would like to propose a new rule: Do not create a key page (e.g.- [[Jasper 8C148 (iPad)]]) unless you can also provide at least one key. Key pages are meant to share decryption keys with others. Copying and pasting from a template page provides us with no information whatsoever, and also wastes time (both the poster's and the administrators'). Thoughts on this? --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 21:50, 4 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:I'm against that. While I agree we shouldn't create all empty pages to fill out later, I don't see any reason to have a rule for that. Or was that a problem recently and I missed it? I also created pages with very few content (like [[Siri]]), that other users picked up or hopefully will pick up and enhanced. Key pages are a little different though. And the page you reference was never empty (but had wrong keys initially). So if you feel a big need to have such a rule, go on. -- [[User:Http|http]] 05:06, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
::I was simply using that page as an example of a key page, for those that had no clue what I was talking about. I think that posting an article with little content is a bit different from an empty key page; at least a small amount of information is being provided. In addition, it's easier to tell whether a key page needs to be filled out or not if the key page's link is red because the page was never created. I'll wait for additional feedback from anybody else before I decide on whether or not to add this to the rules. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:31, 5 November 2011 (MDT)<br />
:::Ok --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 16:58, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
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=== New Upper Left Image ===<br />
If someone has a good one, I'll change it. Who still has an iPhone 2G? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:11, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:[[:File:NewLogo.png]]? Problem is one like that doesnt scale well. Maybe a rotated (like this) image of an [[n94ap|iPhone 4S]] or an [[iPad 2]]. I have an image of a rotated iPhone 4S if you want... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 14:04, 12 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Something with an iPhone and the [[:File:Iptwiki.png|iPhone wiki logo]] from the main page would look good. I'll see if I can make one up. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:06, 17 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:why not the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_iOS.svg iOS logo]? --[[User:M2m|M2m]] 10:02, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I don't think we can use that because it's a copyrighted logo. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Agreed --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Mine requires a bit of [[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|extra CSS]] for it too look good. This can be added to [[Mediawiki:skin.css]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 17:59, 19 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:i have an iPhone 2G geohot! --[[User:Zmaster|Zmaster]] 12:08, 24 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Ok, I got something from @iSurenix. He says: "In case you don't like it, I can always fix it up etc. but I think it looks new, fresh and updated." -- [[User:Http|http]] 13:40, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Excellent! --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 14:54, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::I think it blends into the background too much because the iPhone is white. Thats just my opinion thought. Otherwise I like it. --[[User:JacobVengeance|Jacob]] 16:18, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::Maybe a black one? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 17:14, 25 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I got a resized version from him and uploaded it. Some Mediawiki documentation said ideal size is 135x135 (max 150x150). And about the white he commented: "I like how I've used the white iPhone. It's lie I've said "new and fresh". Not a lot places use white iPhones. Let alone in that specific position. I like it." (@iSurenix). -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:09, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::We could put a background behind the page if it's staying white... maybe the iOS textured background? [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 19:15, 26 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::::[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css|Here's the css]] for the textured background I was talking about. To try it, copy and paste this to your address bar: <tt>javascript:void(importStylesheet("User:thekirbylover/skin.css"))</tt> [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:31, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:I like both of these! The white one seems a bit more "professional" so that's nice, but the text is a little pale. They're both better than the existing logo though, so I'd be happy with either. [[User:Britta|Britta]] 18:17, 31 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Why isn't the p in iPhone capitalized? Otherwise, I like the white one. I also like the skin, if general consensus is change the skin I will do it. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::He just updated to "iPhone" - new image uploaded. -- [[User:Http|http]] 17:15, 6 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Thanks! Image has been changed --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
==== Proposed logos ====<br />
These are thumbnails, click on them to view in normal size.<br />
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File:thekirbylover's iPhone Wiki logo.png|[[User:thekirbylover|thekirbylover]]<br />
File:Theiphonewiki.png|{{twitter|iSurenix}}<br />
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=== Cydia links ===<br />
Links to Cydia, such as cydia://package/com.example.test, don't seem to wanna be linkified by the wiki, but there's an internal setting you can change: <tt>$wgUrlProtocols[] = "cydia://";</tt>. You might also want to use [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] to add a mini Cydia icon next to it. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:06, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:As for the ''localsettings.php'' change, this is [[user:geohot|geohot]]'s problem. As for the CSS change, we could use [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/91/Cydia.png/16px-Cydia.png Cydia.png@16px]. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:15, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Yep, I was gonna put that CSS in my [[User:thekirbylover/monobook.css]] after I posted that. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Monobook.css is used on Vector pages too. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::I checked the source and the "/load.php?{CRAP}" are empty and for some reason, {{wp|Google Chrome}}'s "Inspect Element" show up styles... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:29, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:::/skin.css is cross skin while /vector.css and /monobook.css are per-skin --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 18:31, 18 December 2011 (MST)<br />
Support added --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 16:54, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks! [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 20:04, 5 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Theme===<br />
<s>Oh, also, can you please install the [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Gadgets|gadgets]] extension and add these pages:<br />
MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition <tt>* betatheme[ResourceLoader]|betatheme.css|betatheme.js</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme <tt>Beta theme (works best with the Vector theme)</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.css <tt>@import "/wiki/index.php?title=[[User:thekirbylover/skin.css]]&action=raw&ctype=text/css";</tt><br />
MediaWiki:Gadget-betatheme.js <tt>importScript("[[User:thekirbylover/skin.js]]")</tt><br />
(or you can give me admin privileges and I'll take care of the mediawiki:gadget pages) [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 00:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)</s><br />
:Can't you just put the css in [[Mediawiki:Common.css]] and the js in [[Mediawiki:Common.js]]? It would make it so any admin can edit instead of just you, which might be better. --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:25, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Yeah, I thought of that a while after I posted it. Though I'd still need admin privileges to edit them. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 15:58, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I'm happy to point the global CSS to your page, reading about Gadget now...though a global js you can edit, particularly one that imports offsite js, will require some persuading? :P --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried adding an import to the vector skin default css, didn't work. Still want me to do the gadget thing? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:42, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Add <tt>@import "//cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] and <tt>importScriptURI("//cdn.hbang.ws/js/iphonewiki.js");</tt> to [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] - both links are to my site and should be live in a few minutes. Also, you'll want to look at allowing more database connections - I've been getting "This wiki has a problem - max_connections reached" a lot lately. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 22:50, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::css import still isn't working, did I do it right? External javascript is a security vuln, if there are really worthwhile things to be added in javascript(I don't really like the share buttons they add to everything these days, and wikipedia doesn't AJAX), then I'll add them directly on this site. I know about the database problem, looking into it now --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:59, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::CSS's live now - check [http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css] to see if it comes up. I believe the internal css files are cached by MediaWiki, so maybe try the @import line in Vector.css, then clear your cache, shift+click on refresh in Chrome and Firefox. <br />
:::::I'll remove the ajax/share js, though I still want to use js to make checkboxes into iOS switches, which could just be on [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:12, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::::Imports didn't work, no idea why, chrome didn't even try to load the imported css, so I pasted right in vector. Any downsides? And any way to give you edit rights to that page? I will e-mail about max_user_connections before I go to bed tonight, it's currently set at 15. It may also be time to move this wiki to a bigger server, my account gets CPU throttled all of the time(and as a result the page is a little slow), though I'm not sure where, this site gets about 2 qps. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 23:29, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::::Theme's working now, must have just been the wiki caching it. Do a ctrl+click refresh to clear your cache; tap refresh then refresh again on mobile safari. Is the site on shared hosting or VPS? When I get my server running, I'll be happy to run it from here. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:34, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
I made a few minor tweaks to the CSS to resemble iOS 5 a little more (in browsers that have good CSS 3 support, anyways). I'll happily revert the changes if they're not well-received. (I think it looks better, but I am kinda biased on this. :P) And great job on the theme, guys! --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 01:58, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Thanks ;) Your additions look cool, though I'm working on making the first heading look like a title bar on iOS. Also, looks like geohot put my css on [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]], which is now overriding the one on my server - can you please take it off and add <tt>@import "http://cdn.hbang.ws/css/iphonewiki.css";</tt> so it loads from my server? (I'll include your changes to my css.) Or someone can make me a sysop so I can edit it myself. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 02:20, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::Sure. I would like to keep everything on The iPhone Wiki though, so this may be a temporary thing until the theme feels complete and any kinks in the CSS are worked out. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 11:42, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::I tried the import last night, it didn't work. External css is fine temporarily, external js is never allowed. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 12:27, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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I'd just like to throw my objection into the bucket here, because the new theme overwrote Vector and thus does not allow me to easily revert it. (MonoBook is the 500 year old wikipedia theme)<br />
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I also know someone who would gladly host this site so the database doesn't constantly time out, and has more open connections, for relatively low cost with good speed and uptime. If you'd like me to put you in touch geohot email me at my wiki username at gmail. --[[User:Acfrazier|Acfrazier]] 12:51, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Yea, an option for theme could be added. I'm trying to deal with the max_user_connections now, though hostmonster claims it was always 15. The whole thing is fishy, since php is single threaded and there are only 10 php processes running. If I move, it'll probably be to EC2, like $500 per year but I get to be root on the server. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:01, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::At this point I'd be willing to pay for it, I've known this guy for ten years so I'd get a decent rate (we could probably get a dedicated so you'd have root). It's hard to do maintenance edits when it times out and this has been a problem for a few weeks that I've seen, that's why I haven't done much (but soon I'll have a lot of info to add). It's greatly upsetting that this entire wealth of information is here, but it's semi-inaccessible. --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:09, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::Yea, I'm digging into it now, it's only gotten bad recently. It looks like they messed with mysql on nov 22, 2011. It doesn't appear to be a bandwidth issue, it's a connection issue. For some reason, each php process is making two connections to the database. 10*2 = 20 > 15. Time to read some PHP, or figure out how to only launch 7 processes. --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:18, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
::::Well, my host suggested that you could use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:APC on his hosting and it'd give you a lot more breathing room. Most hosts limit you to 15 db connections (to prevent crashing the server with the 'slashdot effect' but hostgator's server is probably massively overloaded.) EC2 doesn't have good enough disk performance for database access. He told me he could have you moved today if you wanted to do it, I can get you in touch with him. The reason I primarily go with him is it's one to one, he runs his own stuff. If something comes up you have direct support. It's kind of hard being the middleman though, in my opinion he'd be worth talking to. (I'd appreciate it if you'd email me, with the timeout this is getting exceedingly hard to reply). --[[User:Acfrazier|Austen Frazier]] 13:31, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:::::Error is hopefully fixed! Edited mediawiki to use mysql_pconnect instead of mysql_connect and limited db connections to one per process. I'll send you an e-mail tonight about possibly moving the site, although I'm going to do a little profiling here first, I've been with hostmonster for a while and overall they have been good. Currently I don't have a cache, looking into APC or memcached as a middle layer between the db and php(yay php-memcached-mysql just like facebook). --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 13:40, 8 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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===Rename===<br />
I was wondering if you can install [[mediawikiwiki:Extension:Renameuser|Renameuser]] and make me an admin? --[[User:balloonhead66|Cole Johnson]] 11:21, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
:Installed, who do you want renamed? --[[User:Geohot|geohot]] 22:26, 7 January 2012 (MST)<br />
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=== MD Bootrom ===<br />
Editing the [[models]] page, I noticed that the new white [[iPod4,2|iPod touch 4]]s have MD bootroms. However, I'm not sure about the black models, so can someone with a black touch 4 bought after September please tell me which model is reported in Settings? Thanks. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 23:46, 22 December 2011 (MST)<br />
:Those are not bootroms; those are model numbers. According to Apple's online store, the black iPod touch 4G still has the same "MC" model numbers as before. --[[User:Dialexio|<span style="color:#C20; font-weight:normal;">Dialexio</span>]] 10:27, 23 December 2011 (MST)<br />
::Ah, I see. Thanks for checking. [[User:thekirbylover|<span style="color:orange">the</span>]][[User talk:thekirbylover|<span style="color:green">kirby</span>]][[Special:Contributions/thekirbylover|<span style="color:red">lover</span>]] 16:33, 23 December 2011 (MST)</div>Geohot