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User talk:Liamchat

2010-12-12T20:46:32Z

Fike:

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{{Talk Archive|Start to November 1, 2010|November 2, 2010 to present}}
== "Vandalism" ==
That isn't vandalism, it's just your iPhone that knew me. http://cl.ly/3YQy --[[User:Qwertyoruiop|Qwertyoruiop]] 19:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[:/|Firmware]] ==
Please follow the standard format for folders:
<pre>
== Summary ==
A short summary of this folder

== Children ==
=== Folders ===
a list of folders using the ipfw template
=== Files ===
a list of files using the ipfw template

== Parents ==
List of parents... Example: [[/|Root]]/[[/var|var]]/[[/var/stash|stash]]/[[/var/stash/Applications.*****|Applications.*****]]
</pre>
and the fomat for files:
<pre>
== Summary ==
a short summary

== File Contents ==
says it all

== Parents ==
same as above
</pre>
--[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 16:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

== Ban liamchat request ==
=== Basic discussion ===
There is a petition going on to ban liamchat from this wiki. I'm not sure how serious it is and nobody can vote for him there. So please comment here, pro and contra, preferrably with arguments. I think five users more against him with serious arguments would be enough. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:??? Why would you ban him? I havn't seen anything wrong he has done... Please give more info... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::I don't understand it ether but I do help by filling in the missing keys and check the Current ones --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 22:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Just to make it clear: Nobody will be banned just because others don't like someone. For a ban we need a clear majority of people with good arguments. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm really sorry for bringing this topic back up, anyways: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/banliamchat/signatures?page=1. That's just a few people who want him banned, I'm sure there's more. {{unsigned|fike|17:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC)}}
:::::Fike, maybe we kicked that fag off the iphone world. In fact, on IRC, I did a rm -rf / to his Mac (lol), and then screwed up his kernel. Also, I think that after my discussion, he will never join any IRC channel anymore. --[[User:Qwertyoruiop|Qwertyoruiop]] 18:19, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::whait if that was the case then why did i manage to rejoin irc after it crashed also rm -rf /* is the way to do real damage as for the iphone damage it was nice of you to waste you time making an app that no one else want's or will ever use, but what hurt the most was [http://yfrog.com/0iqss0p lying] and [http://yfrog.com/5dor7p spamming] --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 18:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Liam, as iH8sn0w pointed out, the iOS (note: iOS, not OSX) kernel blocks rm -rf / but not rm -rf /*. On MacOSX this doesn't happen. And for the "spam" i'm LOLLING, as you copy/paste pages like [[Seczone]] on IRC, and I remember when you pasted EVERY bb command of the 1.59.00 BasebandFirmwarre on IRC. GTFO, bye.--[[User:Qwertyoruiop|Qwertyoruiop]] 19:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Also for the "lies", that is called "Social Engineering", and i'm laughing @ the fact that you installed a MOBILESUBSTRATE DYLIB thinking that it was a jailbreak. {{unsigned|Qwertyoruiop|19:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)}}
:::::::::how am i suppose to know if a .deb has dependancies and where did i get the 1.15.00 baseband command list because that is not evan on the wiki --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 19:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::liam, keps can remember that. also, there is something called "control" file in a deb.{{unsigned|Qwertyoruiop|20:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)}}
:::::::::::i knew something was strange but i did trust you --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 20:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::::and stop adding my fucking signature. also as you are on irc using "sam" nick, don't protect you w/ the wiki. ~qwertyoruiop <= THIZ SIGNATURE IZ TEH ONLY SIGNATURE
:::::::::::::Ach... Liam: Enjoy your stay at the iPhone Wiki/IRC, I'm also working with Saurik to put a ban on you from his server. If http/geohot/any other sysop looks at the petition, they'll see how many people want you banned.
:::Please give evidence of deleting / filling in wrong data. Single mistakes can happen. And his problems on IRC are unrelated to this wiki. --[[User:Http|http]] 21:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:I'm someone who wants him banned. My name is Fike here on the net. He constantly spams IRC networks with all types of shit... I had quite a job getting rid of him from Sauriks server, but I did it. He alsdo takes other peoples nicks, for instance "cj"'s nick was taken on sauriks server. cj couldn't ghost it, because services weren't online. And I've heard from numerous people he adds inaccurate information here on the wiki. My 2 cents. --[[User:Fike|Fike]] 20:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::Lets not forget that you spammed my [http://cole.freehostingcloud.com/wiki/Cole_Stuff wiki]... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 23:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, indeed I did. And I am sorry for that, really. Liam keeps going on about "you spnmed balloonheads wiki" and that pisses me off. If you could talk to him, I'd appreciate it. That's an awesome wiki you have there too, well kept ;). Better than my hosting providers wiki, where I am sysop. {{unsigned|fike|17:59, 12 December 2010 (UTC)}}

The iPhone Wiki:Community portal

2010-12-12T18:02:44Z

Fike:

{{Talk Archive|Start-July 1, 2010|July 2, 2010-November 8, 2010}}

This is the place to post tasks that need to be done on the wiki. Also this is the place for proposed changes. I heard about people wanting a favicon and arranging the main page into categories.

== Site Related Requests ==
=== Deleting Firmware (keys) pages ===
One thing. A key page should never be deleted unless it is empty. They still have valublw info on them. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 03:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. Firmware pages shouln't get deleted. Missing information will get filled out sooner or later anyway. And we don't want to delete and recreate them. I'll delete firmware pages only if the page's name is wrong. If information on it is wrong, please just write it onto the page or remove the wrong info. If the page is empty (no keys) this still applies, but please don't create new empty pages. --[[User:Http|http]] 08:26, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

===VFDecrypt GUIs===
I don't mean to sound like a dictator, but I'd like to request for no more VFDecrypt GUIs to be added here. There are more than enough of them, so I feel there really isn't a need to add any more. Whenever a new one arises, an argument spews over about its usefulness, as well as whether it belongs on this wiki. These arguments clog up the [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]] page, making it tougher to keep an eye on things with the wiki. So, once again, I'd like to ask for no more VFDecrypt GUIs to have a place on this wiki. '''As of now, this is NOT a rule that will be imposed. It's just a polite request, nothing more.''' --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] 19:35, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
:I'd ask for GUI's of all kinds, such as VFDecrypt, iRecovery, and so on. Anyone can make a GUI. It takes a real hacker to write a program. --[[User:Dra1nerdrake|dra1nerdrake]] 22:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
::We only have 3 publiclly available ones + 2 in development --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:14, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:I saw this coming when the new page for [[GiRecovery]] ([[Zeratul]]) first appeared some months ago. This Wiki is not intended to promote these tools. I didn't want to just delete the page though. One way we could go: Make sure '''all''' applications (including highly recognized ones and jailbreak apps like [[Limera1n]]) will get listed on an overview [[Tools]] page. It should be categorized by tool purpose and operating system. Maybe also by related iOS firmware. As soon as this works well, we just have to assure that not anybody adds new tools there. For example by having two users request a new entry (without the author). We can start this Tools page in any case. Initially we can include all these useless GUI apps already existing here also. -- [[User:Http|http]] 07:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:We could delete the original pages and merge them with the page of the original app in a subsection. To be honest, though, I still don't see the point of having 4 softwares that do the same thing with the same features. --[[User:Ryccardo|Ryccardo]] 09:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:All of them just decrypt. But mine will have 7zip integration to extract it for you and possibly look up the key automatically based on the Dmg name... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 14:28, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

:http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ground_Rules#No_advertising_your_website.2Fforum.2Fwiki.2Fetc.Theiphonewiki is to help people understand the method and not just give people a GUI which can do those stuff.Take [[limera1n]] for example,they descibe about the software and their payload, method, explanation is over there which is what theiphonewiki wants and not just a GUI with the name over there and crediting their "own" team. --[[User:Whiteshinyapple|Whiteshinyapple]].

:To Balloonhead66:And dont undo the stuff I did. The sysops will decide and it is their decision not yours. --[[User:Whiteshinyapple|Whiteshinyapple]].
::A GUI is not a wiki website or forum apple dude --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 03:51, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

=== Polls ===
I think we should have a page for polls, like this: [[Polls]]. I am requesting this as I need to take a quick survey, and I don't know where to place it. The poll does relate to the iPhone... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

=== iPhone Compatibility ===
Well the wikis startpage (and maybe other pages) do not display really good on the iphone ;) -- [[User:M2m|M2m]] 16:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Well, I think it's good enough. Ok, it's not optimized, but it's ok. If we improve the startpage to have only one column, then that would look ugly on a PC. I work a lot in here from my iPhone. The biggest problem is the edit box. You cannot really edit big texts from your iPhone. But that's a problem of the Wiki itself (Mediawiki) and we cannot fix that just by changing texts or layout. -- [[User:Http|http]] 22:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::On all textboxes, use 2 fingers to scroll --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 02:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::Installing the extension [http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileSkin MobileSkin] would be something [[User:geohot|geohot]] would have to do. Also he would have to create a mobile skin as all that extension does is display a skin over the default MonoBook skin... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:43, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

=== Logo ===
{| style="float: right;" class=wikitable border=1
|-
! New logo design
| [[Image:NewLogo.png|thumb|135px|A new logo design]]
| [[Image:NewLogo-geohot.png|thumb|135px|A new logo design with a '''By geohot''']]
|-
| New logo design
with a new name
| [[Image:NewNameLogo.png|thumb|135px|A new logo with a new name]]
| [[Image:NewNameLogo-geohot.png|thumb|135px|A new logo with a new name and a '''By geohot''']]
|}
The Logo should be updated as the wiki is no longer iPhone only but (I think) all iOS devices (or a larger part of it). Possibly also a new URL? theioswiki (but i know this is not as easy) -- [[User:M2m|M2m]] 16:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:A new URL would be something that Geohot would have to do. But although this is not only about iPhones, that doesn't mean we have to change the logo or the URL. At the beginning there was the iPhone and the iPod touch. Now only the iPad has come to the family. Nothing really new. -- [[User:Http|http]] 22:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Isn't the new AppleTV said to be running iOS as well ? ;) --[[User:M2m|M2m]] 23:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
:I could design a new logo that has all the iOS family on it including all generations of the phone and the ipod touch, ATV, and iPad if it is still wanted... --[[User:Locke|Locke]]
::That won't be neccassary as I am already in the midst of creating one... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 19:16, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
::Done... Please post content above the <code><nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki></code> IT is therte to keep the next section below the table... When the text gets below the table, you may remove the clear template link. --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 23:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
::If anyone wants, I can shrink the Red apple down from 32x32 to 16x16 so it looks better... I just downloaded [http://theiphonewiki.com/favicon.ico The iPhone Wiki favicon] aqnd used [http://convertico.com Convert ICO] to make it a png and it came out at 32x32, so I used that. If anyone wants, I can shrink the apple to 16x16... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 02:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Nice! Just a few things: I doubt the wiki will be renamed to "The iOS Wiki", and the "By geohot" line is inappropriate, as this wiki is edited/improved by all of us, he's just the guy who set it up. Nice though! Did you use GIMP by any chance?

==iPhone Related Requests==
See: [[Unsolved problems]]

Keys/ivs for 4.0 beta 1/2/3 need to be updated. Many of them on are on the Internet, but not on here. Related pages:
*[[VFDecrypt_Keys:_4.x_BETA]]
*[[Beta Firmware]]

User talk:Liamchat

2010-12-12T17:59:02Z

Fike:

User talk:Liamchat

2010-12-12T17:56:22Z

Fike:

User talk:Liamchat

2010-11-20T20:59:52Z

Fike:

{{Talk Archive|Start to November 1, 2010}}

== KBAGs ==

Hello, Liamchat! I noticed that you've been adding KBAGs to the key pages. I certainly appreciate the addition of such information, but just listing KBAGs without mentioning which file they're for isn't exactly helpful. Would you mind mentioning which file each KBAG is for? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] 21:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:i added them because i don't have those devices and i think it may help people get the key's if i add them however the exact is
*018-7074-092.dmg:
*018-7082-092.dmg:
*DeviceTree.n90ap.img3:
*LLB.n90ap.RELEASE.img3:
*applelogo-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batterycharging0-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batterycharging1-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batteryfull-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batterylow0-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batterylow1-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*glyphcharging-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*glyphplugin-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*iBEC.n90ap.RELEASE.dfu:
*iBSS.n90ap.RELEASE.dfu:
*iBoot.n90ap.RELEASE.img3:
*kernelcache.release.n81:
*recoverymode-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
--[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 22:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ban liamchat request ==
There is a petition going on to ban liamchat from this wiki. I'm not sure how serious it is and nobody can vote for him there. So please comment here, pro and contra, preferrably with arguments. I think five users more against him with serious arguments would be enough. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:??? Why would you ban him? I havn't seen anything wrong he has done... Please give more info... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::I don't understand it ether but I do help by filling in the missing keys and check the Current ones --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 22:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Just to make it clear: Nobody will be banned just because others don't like someone. For a ban we need a clear majority of people with good arguments. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Please give evidence of deleting / filling in wrong data. Single mistakes can happen. And his problems on IRC are unrelated to this wiki. --[[User:Http|http]] 21:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:I'm someone who wants him banned. My name is Fike here on the net. He constantly spams IRC networks with all types of shit... I had quite a job getting rid of him from Sauriks server, but I did it. He alsdo takes other peoples nicks, for instance "cj"'s nick was taken on sauriks server. cj couldn't ghost it, because services weren't online. And I've heard from numerous people he adds inaccurate information here on the wiki. My 2 cents. --[[User:Fike|Fike]] 20:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

===Table===
Please fill out this table with info... use <code><nowiki>{{yes|Pro}}</nowiki></code> for a pro, <code><nowiki>{{no|Con}}</nowiki></code> for a con, or <code><nowiki>{{partial|Somewhat}}</nowiki></code> for a ehh... in the first column
{| class="sortable wikitable" border="1"
|-
! Pro/Con
! What it is
! Evidence
! Adder
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He helps out this wiki alot
| [[Special:Contributions/Liamchat]]
| [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He helps overall, but could take a little break every so often and learn more about orginizing.
| Many pages
| [[User:JacobVengeance|JacobVengeance]]
|-
| {{partial|Somewhat}}
| He needs to work on formatting
| [[:/dev]]
| [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He tested software to help developers
| [[Talk:PwnPie]]
| [[User:liamchat|liamchat]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He finished the transcript of the [[25C3 presentation Hacking the iPhone]]
| [[25C3 presentation Hacking the iPhone]]
| [[User:liamchat|liamchat]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He added iv/keys that where old and ignored
| [[Timberline 5G77a (iPod touch 2G)]]
| [[User:liamchat|liamchat]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He help's people when they ask on the wiki
| [[Talk:AES Keys]]
| [[User:liamchat|liamchat]]
|-
| {{No|Con}}
| He has stolen keys from users like GreySyntax and often posts useless/incorrect keys. He also deletes proper info and cites the Wiki for everything. Finally, his KBAGS aren't needed.
| {{cn}}
| [[User:vexenon|vexenon]]
|-
| {{No|Con}}
| For several times he has posted wrong keys in the wiki. Deletes correct info replacing it with he's own. (Apart from being a major spammer and general annoyance at IRC)
| {{Cn}}
| [[User:Z00L|Z00L]]
|}

===stolen keys===
can you give evidence of which keys are the stolen keys because i use [[PwnPie]] to grab my keys and only greysyntax can say i stole his keys --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 17:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

===useless/incorrect keys===
i check every key i post and use the kbag's as evidence to prove it works --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 17:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:Where? I personally have tested almost all VFDecrypt keys he has posted and they are correct --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

===Conclusions===
I can see a lot of haters and some problems. I don't think we should ban him for what he has done. What seems to be proven for me is that he wants to make himself important. He is clearly no hacker and hasn't contributed any real value in this wiki. But this applies to many others also (maybe also to me?)

I think this should be a warning to him: Please be very careful with all your next edits, especially page additions. Better ask on the talk page if others agree with you before you edit. For keys pages use the standard template and avoid multiple edits. Also, please watch what you do outside of this wiki (tools, IRC, etc). I won't judge you for that, but others do.

For the haters: Please tell him friendly what he does wrong. And/or tell me and I'll tell it to him. I could forbid him to change any keys pages for example or to make more than one edit per day or whatever. Depending on how big the problem is. And it is clear that if he doesn't obey any given rules what I can do.

Let's forgive him all his mistakes of the past and treat him as a new user for now. And remember to tell me if it doesn't work. So I'll close this discussion for now and I will treat this case as solved, expecting adult, friendly behavior from all sides.

We can delete and/or archive this discussion in a while. --[[User:Http|http]] 00:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:Well said, mate! :) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] 00:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== Edit Wars ==

* Opinion - "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion]

One doesn't need evidence to state an opinion. For example, I can safely go around saying, "Cookies taste good," without proof and no one will bash me for it. THEREFORE, the entries in the above table should NOT be edited by anyone other than their author, as that is their opinion. You can't make me think that red isn't a good color anymore than I can make you enjoy using hairspray.

My point is, it's someone's opinion and you can't change it.

Therefore, </edit-war> --[[User:Dra1nerdrake|dra1nerdrake]] 00:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:I like your thinking. I agree 100%
:P.S: I object your "Cookies taste good" since I'm always right ;P
:--[[User:Ifish|Ifish]] 00:59, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you. ~drake
:::also can we remove the mentioning of greysyntax he never said i stole his keys --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 15:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

== Template for keys ==

Hi liamchat! It's nice if you post new keys pages. But could you use the standard format (template), I mean like [[JasperVail 8C134 (iPhone_3GS)]], instead of [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=JasperVail_8C148_%28iPod_touch_2G%29&oldid=13271 this new page from you]? Preferrably without the KBAGs (until all agreed that we want them). This way you save us some reformatting work and you'll have less haters. Thanks! --[[User:Http|http]] 23:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:ok when I grab the keys it reads the restore.plist and places them in the order that apple use however I do think i can change that also I will remove the kbag field --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 00:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::Not only the order, also the titles, etc. --[[User:Http|http]]

User talk:Liamchat

2010-11-20T20:59:26Z

Fike:

{{Talk Archive|Start to November 1, 2010}}

== KBAGs ==

Hello, Liamchat! I noticed that you've been adding KBAGs to the key pages. I certainly appreciate the addition of such information, but just listing KBAGs without mentioning which file they're for isn't exactly helpful. Would you mind mentioning which file each KBAG is for? --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] 21:39, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
:i added them because i don't have those devices and i think it may help people get the key's if i add them however the exact is
*018-7074-092.dmg:
*018-7082-092.dmg:
*DeviceTree.n90ap.img3:
*LLB.n90ap.RELEASE.img3:
*applelogo-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batterycharging0-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batterycharging1-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batteryfull-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batterylow0-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*batterylow1-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*glyphcharging-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*glyphplugin-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
*iBEC.n90ap.RELEASE.dfu:
*iBSS.n90ap.RELEASE.dfu:
*iBoot.n90ap.RELEASE.img3:
*kernelcache.release.n81:
*recoverymode-640x960.s5l8930x.img3:
--[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 22:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

== Ban liamchat request ==
There is a petition going on to ban liamchat from this wiki. I'm not sure how serious it is and nobody can vote for him there. So please comment here, pro and contra, preferrably with arguments. I think five users more against him with serious arguments would be enough. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:??? Why would you ban him? I havn't seen anything wrong he has done... Please give more info... --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 22:15, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::I don't understand it ether but I do help by filling in the missing keys and check the Current ones --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 22:45, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Just to make it clear: Nobody will be banned just because others don't like someone. For a ban we need a clear majority of people with good arguments. --[[User:Http|http]] 22:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Please give evidence of deleting / filling in wrong data. Single mistakes can happen. And his problems on IRC are unrelated to this wiki. --[[User:Http|http]] 21:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:I'm someone who wants him banned. My name is Fike here on the net. He constantly spams IRC networks with all types of shit... I had quite a job getting rid of him from Sauriks server, but I did it. He alsdo takes other peoples nicks, for instance "cj"'s nick was taken on sauriks server. cj couldn't ghost it, because services weren't online.

And I've heard from numerous people he adds inaccurate information here on the wiki.

My 2 cents. --[[User:Fike|Fike]] 20:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

===Table===
Please fill out this table with info... use <code><nowiki>{{yes|Pro}}</nowiki></code> for a pro, <code><nowiki>{{no|Con}}</nowiki></code> for a con, or <code><nowiki>{{partial|Somewhat}}</nowiki></code> for a ehh... in the first column
{| class="sortable wikitable" border="1"
|-
! Pro/Con
! What it is
! Evidence
! Adder
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He helps out this wiki alot
| [[Special:Contributions/Liamchat]]
| [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He helps overall, but could take a little break every so often and learn more about orginizing.
| Many pages
| [[User:JacobVengeance|JacobVengeance]]
|-
| {{partial|Somewhat}}
| He needs to work on formatting
| [[:/dev]]
| [[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He tested software to help developers
| [[Talk:PwnPie]]
| [[User:liamchat|liamchat]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He finished the transcript of the [[25C3 presentation Hacking the iPhone]]
| [[25C3 presentation Hacking the iPhone]]
| [[User:liamchat|liamchat]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He added iv/keys that where old and ignored
| [[Timberline 5G77a (iPod touch 2G)]]
| [[User:liamchat|liamchat]]
|-
| {{yes|Pro}}
| He help's people when they ask on the wiki
| [[Talk:AES Keys]]
| [[User:liamchat|liamchat]]
|-
| {{No|Con}}
| He has stolen keys from users like GreySyntax and often posts useless/incorrect keys. He also deletes proper info and cites the Wiki for everything. Finally, his KBAGS aren't needed.
| {{cn}}
| [[User:vexenon|vexenon]]
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| {{No|Con}}
| For several times he has posted wrong keys in the wiki. Deletes correct info replacing it with he's own. (Apart from being a major spammer and general annoyance at IRC)
| {{Cn}}
| [[User:Z00L|Z00L]]
|}

===stolen keys===
can you give evidence of which keys are the stolen keys because i use [[PwnPie]] to grab my keys and only greysyntax can say i stole his keys --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 17:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

===useless/incorrect keys===
i check every key i post and use the kbag's as evidence to prove it works --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 17:28, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:Where? I personally have tested almost all VFDecrypt keys he has posted and they are correct --[[User:Balloonhead66|Balloonhead66]] 00:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

===Conclusions===
I can see a lot of haters and some problems. I don't think we should ban him for what he has done. What seems to be proven for me is that he wants to make himself important. He is clearly no hacker and hasn't contributed any real value in this wiki. But this applies to many others also (maybe also to me?)

I think this should be a warning to him: Please be very careful with all your next edits, especially page additions. Better ask on the talk page if others agree with you before you edit. For keys pages use the standard template and avoid multiple edits. Also, please watch what you do outside of this wiki (tools, IRC, etc). I won't judge you for that, but others do.

For the haters: Please tell him friendly what he does wrong. And/or tell me and I'll tell it to him. I could forbid him to change any keys pages for example or to make more than one edit per day or whatever. Depending on how big the problem is. And it is clear that if he doesn't obey any given rules what I can do.

Let's forgive him all his mistakes of the past and treat him as a new user for now. And remember to tell me if it doesn't work. So I'll close this discussion for now and I will treat this case as solved, expecting adult, friendly behavior from all sides.

We can delete and/or archive this discussion in a while. --[[User:Http|http]] 00:40, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
:Well said, mate! :) --[[User:Dialexio|Dialexio]] 00:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

== Edit Wars ==

* Opinion - "a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty." [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion]

One doesn't need evidence to state an opinion. For example, I can safely go around saying, "Cookies taste good," without proof and no one will bash me for it. THEREFORE, the entries in the above table should NOT be edited by anyone other than their author, as that is their opinion. You can't make me think that red isn't a good color anymore than I can make you enjoy using hairspray.

My point is, it's someone's opinion and you can't change it.

Therefore, </edit-war> --[[User:Dra1nerdrake|dra1nerdrake]] 00:45, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:I like your thinking. I agree 100%
:P.S: I object your "Cookies taste good" since I'm always right ;P
:--[[User:Ifish|Ifish]] 00:59, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you. ~drake
:::also can we remove the mentioning of greysyntax he never said i stole his keys --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 15:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

== Template for keys ==

Hi liamchat! It's nice if you post new keys pages. But could you use the standard format (template), I mean like [[JasperVail 8C134 (iPhone_3GS)]], instead of [http://theiphonewiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=JasperVail_8C148_%28iPod_touch_2G%29&oldid=13271 this new page from you]? Preferrably without the KBAGs (until all agreed that we want them). This way you save us some reformatting work and you'll have less haters. Thanks! --[[User:Http|http]] 23:35, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
:ok when I grab the keys it reads the restore.plist and places them in the order that apple use however I do think i can change that also I will remove the kbag field --[[User:Liamchat|liamchat]] 00:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
::Not only the order, also the titles, etc. --[[User:Http|http]]